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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 21:02:41 GMT -5
Yes he absolutely should've won. We disagree. We must fight to the death. I'm not gonna waste a perfectly good fight to the death over something as futile as John Cena.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 20, 2014 21:07:04 GMT -5
We disagree. We must fight to the death. I'm not gonna waste a perfectly good fight to the death over something as futile as John Cena. Good point.
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Post by rustyy on Dec 20, 2014 21:29:41 GMT -5
No Wyatt didn't need to win at Mania. And John did? They should be building towards the future after this cancer is gone, not feeding it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 21:36:31 GMT -5
John winning at WM was fine with me, but I firmly believe Bray should've been the victor of their series which would have then led to a Wyatt sweep at MITB. Then if you want John to win the title back and get some heat (cause John needs to long even stronger...) back he could've won it back leading to the whole Brock thing later. Is that perfect? No. But the Wyatt's holding the tag and world titles after MITB is what I thought they could've done if Bray beat Cena at Extreme Rules and Payback.
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Post by IRS on Dec 20, 2014 21:46:16 GMT -5
Yes, by DQ. Should've had Cena "embrace the hate" and destroy him with the chair - much like Ambrose at SvS. Then have Cena stop himself from going over the edge again at ER, leading to Wyatt winning again. You could've finally had Cena go over at Payback; but instead of him destroying the whole Family and burying Bray, have him barely defeat Bray.
Oh yeah, and never have that match after SummerSlam happen.... ever.
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Post by PJ on Dec 20, 2014 21:48:08 GMT -5
No Wyatt didn't need to win at Mania. And John did? They should be building towards the future after this cancer is gone, not feeding it. lol. And they are. And as long as there are families going to these events with kids cheering for Cena he is going to win until he quits or they stop. Bray is doing great becoming one of the top stars of the future. As is Rollins. Ambrose is doing as well as he can, but until he changes some of the moves I mentioned in the Reigns/Ambrose thread I can't take him as a serious choice as a future world champion. And they are forcing Reigns to the top to be the guy if he can handle it. As far as future main event talent goes that is all they have got in the WWE. Maybe Cody in a couple more years will be there. But who else do they have on the roster that can carry the company? Bryan? Hell I'm still not sure if he'll ever be back. Ryback? He's not a Main event talent. Rusev? He's not even an upper mid-card talent. Ziggler? He will never be the guy to carry the company.
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Post by revolution on Dec 20, 2014 22:02:30 GMT -5
Does this really have to be asked?...
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Post by rustyy on Dec 20, 2014 22:30:57 GMT -5
And John did? They should be building towards the future after this cancer is gone, not feeding it. lol. And they are. And as long as there are families going to these events with kids cheering for Cena he is going to win until he quits or they stop. Bray is doing great becoming one of the top stars of the future. As is Rollins. Ambrose is doing as well as he can, but until he changes some of the moves I mentioned in the Reigns/Ambrose thread I can't take him as a serious choice as a future world champion. And they are forcing Reigns to the top to be the guy if he can handle it. As far as future main event talent goes that is all they have got in the WWE. Maybe Cody in a couple more years will be there. But who else do they have on the roster that can carry the company? Bryan? Hell I'm still not sure if he'll ever be back. Ryback? He's not a Main event talent. Rusev? He's not even an upper mid-card talent. Ziggler? He will never be the guy to carry the company. Maybe they should go for a face of the company that actually brings in something other than T shirt sales and children. (Who are not the main demographic by a long shot), Bray is the best full time talent they have on there roster, he just suffers from the current writing team not giving him anything to work with. WWE would have plenty of main event talent if they would stop feeding them to golden boy, Ziggler gets more cheers than Cena at this point, with much worse booking, Ambrose was on fire till he became Seth Rollins' bitch, Ryback sucks, Bryan will be back and Russev is getting heat like no other heel in the company. You're delusional if you think Cody is anything but midcard, dude is the definition of average, okay in ring, mediocre to okay on the mic and okay look. And people that could main event that you didn't list include: Wade Barrett, Damien Sandow, Miz (Given the circumstances), Bray, and Ziggler (Even though I wouldn't like that). 3 have been tarnished mid push by golden boy, Miz was buried for whatever reason and Ziggler can't keep his mouth shut. inb4 injury prone nonsense about Barrett even though this company pushes Mark Henry, Big Show, Sheamus and Orton.
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Post by DeadHeadKing on Dec 20, 2014 22:32:29 GMT -5
Yes! Yes! Yes!
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Post by marino13 on Dec 20, 2014 22:55:15 GMT -5
IMO the loss didn't hurt Bray as much as the f*****g singing did!
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Post by rustyy on Dec 20, 2014 23:01:39 GMT -5
IMO the loss didn't hurt Bray as much as the f*****g singing did! Singing was cool/creepy at the start but when they made it a point to have him mention it multiple times a promo and do it at the end of everything is when it died.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 20, 2014 23:04:38 GMT -5
IMO the loss didn't hurt Bray as much as the f*****g singing did! Singing was cool/creepy at the start but when they made it a point to have him mention it multiple times a promo and do it at the end of everything is when it died. I was so tired of the singing I started to dry heave every time Bray came out. I may start up now just think about it.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 20, 2014 23:17:31 GMT -5
Wouldn't have really mattered -- none of Bray's wins or losses ever matter, because his character is so removed from the idea of pinning someone in a wrestling match. That's the big weakness in the Wyatt gimmick, he's never really made it feel like he gains much (or loses much) from a 123.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 20, 2014 23:24:34 GMT -5
lol. And they are. And as long as there are families going to these events with kids cheering for Cena he is going to win until he quits or they stop. Bray is doing great becoming one of the top stars of the future. As is Rollins. Ambrose is doing as well as he can, but until he changes some of the moves I mentioned in the Reigns/Ambrose thread I can't take him as a serious choice as a future world champion. And they are forcing Reigns to the top to be the guy if he can handle it. As far as future main event talent goes that is all they have got in the WWE. Maybe Cody in a couple more years will be there. But who else do they have on the roster that can carry the company? Bryan? Hell I'm still not sure if he'll ever be back. Ryback? He's not a Main event talent. Rusev? He's not even an upper mid-card talent. Ziggler? He will never be the guy to carry the company. Maybe they should go for a face of the company that actually brings in something other than T shirt sales and children. Cena, for years, has sold way more tickets and drawn much bigger ratings and sponsorship than anybody else full-time. Aside from black Friday sales, his merch usually outdraws the entire roster's combined -- and if you think merch sales shouldn't count, well merchandise was the only thing CM Punk ever moved so your "logic" says he should never have been pushed either. As much as butthurt teens may think they're big boys now and too old for Cena, he is very much best for business. Prior to the network losses starting in 2011, WWE was pretty much as profitable as it has ever been, and that's because they went with a top guy that draws rather than a top guy who pleases web teens.
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Post by rustyy on Dec 20, 2014 23:35:31 GMT -5
You really get off on calling me a teen, I see. No one outdraws him because no one is allowed to, no one is given a push like him because they know he'll be outshined. Punk didn't ever get a clean win over someone of value, compare that to Cena going over Batista, Michaels, trips, Rock and every up and comer and Punk looks like a glorified jobber. Bryan is the only one with a win over Cena and he did great ratings, that's what happens when you build new stars. Cena hasn't moved ratings like that in years.
Doesn't gain much from a 123, how about credibility. That's how you build a star, the Undertaker wouldn't have lasted a year if he was booked like Bray.
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Post by Rontaro13 on Dec 21, 2014 0:00:53 GMT -5
It wouldn't of mattered who won at Wrestlemania because the loser of the first match would of won the match at Extreme Rules. What matters in my opinion is who won the match at Payback.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Dec 21, 2014 6:24:13 GMT -5
Just a simple question with knowing what we do now seeing everything play out. Bray was white hot at the time, and beating Cena at WM would have catapulted him to main event status. His win would have also set up an organic feud for the title when Cena won it, as well as laying the groundwork for an eventual Bryan-Wyatt rematch for the title. But all of this requires commitment to the future, and WWE has been all about nostalgia for years.
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Post by sitruC on Dec 21, 2014 8:08:07 GMT -5
Yup but certainly not clean.
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Post by TurboEddie on Dec 21, 2014 8:20:10 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt hasn't felt important since losing his feud against John Cena.
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Post by hbkjason on Dec 21, 2014 9:13:18 GMT -5
No, but Cena should have won by having to use a steel chair or some other kind of weapon. Winning the match was never the issue for Bray Wyatt it was all about making Cena change what he was and I think having Cena flip out and have to resort to desperate measures would have made Bray look strong and added an extra dimension to Cena's character which he desperately needs and I think this feud was the chance to do it.
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