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Post by HHH316 on Dec 27, 2014 3:20:16 GMT -5
I really, really wish we would of got a CM Punk DVD of his title reign. Call it CM Punk: 434.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 3:23:06 GMT -5
Most people don't even remember his title reign so I doubt they'll worry much about it. It's not like it's the longest reign anyway. ...Nobody remembers the title reign? Are you serious? Also, it doesn't matter if it was the longest or not. The fact of the matter is, it was the best reign that happened for a long period of time. Punk constantly put on good matches, good promos, was wrestling day in and day out, and there was always that thought of "oh maybe he loses the title this PPV". It was unpredictable. You compare Punks reign to Bruno Sammartinos, then you will see that Punks was much more impressive. Bruno may of held the title longer, but there's a huge difference between Bruno's era and this era. Fact.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 7:40:33 GMT -5
I hope not. It was a fairly terrible run a lot of the time. Remember, Punk's long reign was only possible because of the part-timers (Rock, Brock, HHH, Taker etc) and Cena. Those guys carrying shows in the money matches meant there wasn't as much pressure on the champion. Without those big-time matches, PPVs would have had to be sold on title changes and new, fresh champs. And hell, the option was there at the time to put the world title on Cena to carry buys if needed. They don't have that anymore. A year or two from now, WWE doesn't have a big roster of part-time megastars. That means the full time guys need to be fighting over the belt to main event Mania and SummerSlam. This. Punk was an afterthought during most of his title reign.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 10:11:30 GMT -5
Most people don't even remember his title reign so I doubt they'll worry much about it. It's not like it's the longest reign anyway. ...Nobody remembers the title reign? Are you serious? Also, it doesn't matter if it was the longest or not. The fact of the matter is, it was the best reign that happened for a long period of time. Punk constantly put on good matches, good promos, was wrestling day in and day out, and there was always that thought of "oh maybe he loses the title this PPV". It was unpredictable. You compare Punks reign to Bruno Sammartinos, then you will see that Punks was much more impressive. Bruno may of held the title longer, but there's a huge difference between Bruno's era and this era. Fact. I didn't say nobody. I said most. Aside from Internet fans, hardly anyone will remember. Kids don't remember. And casual fans don't remember. WWE's main focal point of their audience doesn't remember. And his reign wasn't that impressive. He didn't draw that well. Ratings were never through the roof. I enjoyed it at the time but there was nothing about it that made me say, "whoa this is great." He could've used to help from the booking but everyone was ready for a title change. Hence the crowd reaction at RR.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 27, 2014 10:17:49 GMT -5
Where do people hear all these "rumors"? I visit wrestling sites all day everyday and yet someone always hears a rumor I never see posted anywhere. Is it from Mitch on the corner? Suzy at the grocery store? Billy at the ballgame? If so, does that constitute as a rumor? Cause it sounds more like random speculation than rumor.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 27, 2014 10:33:57 GMT -5
I hope not. It was a fairly terrible run a lot of the time. Remember, Punk's long reign was only possible because of the part-timers (Rock, Brock, HHH, Taker etc) and Cena. Those guys carrying shows in the money matches meant there wasn't as much pressure on the champion. Without those big-time matches, PPVs would have had to be sold on title changes and new, fresh champs. And hell, the option was there at the time to put the world title on Cena to carry buys if needed. They don't have that anymore. A year or two from now, WWE doesn't have a big roster of part-time megastars. That means the full time guys need to be fighting over the belt to main event Mania and SummerSlam. You do make a very valid point, but from a fan's perspective, taking out buyrates and such from the equation, CM PUnk's reign was the best in a long time. As a pure fan who just enjoys the product he gave me everything. A great face run, a fantastic heel run, TLC matches, Elimination Chamber matches, Hell in a Cell, great matches with Chris Jericho, great stuff with Daniel Bryan and AJ, epic promos against The Rock and so much more. He's one of the only guys that I can see having the range to go from number two face to number one heel in the span of one title reign. The last to do so was Macho Man. So, I'm not taking away from what you said about the lack of pressure to carry the company, but isn't that in itself a problem? When the Champion isn't the focal point of a show because of part-timers? I get that they make money and understand the use of them, but that could also be more telling to the lack of stars the company has built in the past ten or so years.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 27, 2014 10:54:06 GMT -5
So, I'm not taking away from what you said about the lack of pressure to carry the company, but isn't that in itself a problem? When the Champion isn't the focal point of a show because of part-timers? Sure, but if the champion did have to be the focal point of a show, CM Punk doesn't get the belt for a year. The title matches in 2012 are things like Cena vs Big Show instead. The problem of not building enough stars and reliance on part timers led to a unique situation where they could give someone the title for a year in the hope it'd turn them into a draw.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 13:22:51 GMT -5
This sounds like a job for SuperCena! That has to be the best Cena picture on the entire internet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 13:34:03 GMT -5
Didn't Punks reign get poor buys or something? If thats the case I think they'd be worried about the same thing happening especially with things being so bad at the moment. It's one of those things were he was blamed for it, even though you can see the real problem. The main events during his title reign were matches like John Cena vs Big Show and John Cena vs John Laurenitis.
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Post by John Zero on Dec 27, 2014 15:43:10 GMT -5
Where do people hear all these "rumors"? I visit wrestling sites all day everyday and yet someone always hears a rumor I never see posted anywhere. Is it from Mitch on the corner? Suzy at the grocery store? Billy at the ballgame? If so, does that constitute as a rumor? Cause it sounds more like random speculation than rumor. I think they usually come from Just Joe.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Dec 27, 2014 16:53:39 GMT -5
In Jeopardy...?
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Post by Darkhawk on Dec 27, 2014 16:55:27 GMT -5
I don't think WWE is going to ignore a title reign especially a full year one, that's just crazy.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 27, 2014 16:58:05 GMT -5
What was an amazing 434 days?
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Dec 27, 2014 17:07:08 GMT -5
What was an amazing 434 days? Sorry. The answer was "What is John Cena was still the focal point."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 17:32:43 GMT -5
What was an amazing 434 days? Sorry. The answer was "What is John Cena was still the focal point." Well... The title is just a prop. And Cena was still the number one guy.
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Post by Boy Wonder on Dec 27, 2014 17:37:41 GMT -5
If outselling Cena on merch and getting better reactions than him doesn't make someone deserving of being the "top guy" then I don't know what does.
Punk's reign won't be duplicated for a long time, if ever. It was an aligning of the stars that he had it as long as he did, but especially now that there's only one title, the powers that be don't have the attention span to do it again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 17:40:56 GMT -5
If outselling Cena on merch and getting better reactions than him doesn't make someone deserving of being the "top guy" then I don't know what does. Punk's reign won't be duplicated for a long time, if ever. It was an aligning of the stars that he had it as long as he did, but especially now that there's only one title, the powers that be don't have the attention span to do it again. He only outsold him in shirts for a short time apparently and he may have received more cheers than Cena, so I guess that classifies as "better" but most people were still paying to see the top guy, which was Cena.
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Post by sitruC on Dec 27, 2014 18:02:22 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan is the only person I think people could tolerate for that long, and I doubt he will do it.
Besides, Punk main evented like 4 PPV'S and played third wheel to Cena and the Rock, I think WWE are okay with the reign.
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Post by RybackV1 on Dec 27, 2014 18:10:59 GMT -5
Punk will have had another WWE title reign before the end of the 2010s let alone be "unerased" from the "wwe universe"
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Dec 27, 2014 18:57:39 GMT -5
Didn't Punks reign get poor buys or something? If thats the case I think they'd be worried about the same thing happening especially with things being so bad at the moment. It's one of those things were he was blamed for it, even though you can see the real problem. The main events during his title reign were matches like John Cena vs Big Show and John Cena vs John Laurenitis. Thats something personally I don't buy into... So the main even is Cena vs Laurenitis, that doesn't mean im not gonna order the PPV, I dont like divas but I wouldn't base that dislike on weather or not im going to order a ppv or watch raw. Thats just my own oppinion though. I think the numbers just prove Punks reign was bad for buys. Obviously it wasn't bad enough to force creative to have him drop the belt, but since the network started WWE evidently has been a little more careful with who they're investing in.
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