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Post by johnnyb on Jan 24, 2015 15:27:53 GMT -5
Jack's Joker was so over-the-top and slapstick, him putting glasses on at the end was just about the most realistic part of his performance. I just thought it was Jack being Jack and wearing makeup. I thought Ledger, clown makeup and all, did the character justice a lot more than Nicholson's did, but the two performances are apples and oranges.
I hope Leto splits the difference between the two, keeping Ledger's volatility and unpredictability and mixing in a little of Jack's campy take. As long as the performance is distinct and creative, I think it's going to be great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 21:22:33 GMT -5
I'd love for this Joker to be like Heath. But just different enough for Leto to have his own style. I definitely don't want a comedy version like Jack's or the cartoon. . Jacks Joker struck the perfect balance of psycho and comedy.....that's what the Joker is....he is often genuinely funny. Something Nolan either didn't know or chose to ignore completely. Id say its a mixture of both considering many of his choices. Ledgers Joker was great because of his performance.....(loved it)but as a huge fan of the character? I didn't feel it was an accurate portrayal; of Joker. Not enough laughing for one...... The original comic Joker was pretty sadistic. I thought Nolan's Joker captured that well. He had a little humor but at the same time was very dark. I thought Jack's was TOO silly. They're both completely different, yet they accomplished what they needed to for the movie they were in. I'll take Nolan's darker tone series over all the previous versions any day. But to each their own. I just hope Leto is good at whichever Joker he is to portray. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 22:11:57 GMT -5
It's all personal opinion. I love The joker. I love Prince. I DO NOT love The Joker dancing to Prince.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 3:46:41 GMT -5
Like the last 3 posters say it's all personal opinion....I'm glad the days of the Nolanites pissing all over people's differing opinions on Batman seem to be gone though.
I will disagree all day every day that Buttons Joker was just "jack being jack".....that always makes me lol.
I'm really rooting for Leto.the ridiculous assertion that Nolans Joker was so great that the character should never be attempted again was just mind boggling to me.
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Post by v/\v on Jan 25, 2015 12:02:40 GMT -5
It's going to horrific.
I strongly feel he'll start very much in the shadows and his presence will be felt with small touches that carry huge weight to them building up to the parts where his character is balls out scary as hell in his appearance and mannerisms and his actions of course, almost psychedelically allowing Harley to appear softer in her maniac style.
The key is to be different with the portrayal and i feel they're likely to have this Joker be more violent and more horror influenced.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:53:00 GMT -5
It's going to horrific. I strongly feel he'll start very much in the shadows and his presence will be felt with small touches that carry huge weight to them building up to the parts where his character is balls out scary as hell in his appearance and mannerisms and his actions of course, almost psychedelically allowing Harley to appear softer in her maniac style. The key is to be different with the portrayal and i feel they're likely to have this Joker be more violent and more horror influenced. They've done horror Joker before. He once boiled a baby alive and made the father eat it. Also most recently:  Don't worry, the faces where fake. He's also got his face back now.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 16:10:00 GMT -5
As a Tranny
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Post by The neferious brotha Hargrove on Jan 25, 2015 16:25:38 GMT -5
I really hope they don't just make him rein act what two other actors did before him
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Post by PJ on Jan 25, 2015 17:18:16 GMT -5
First I will say this...I have no knowledge of this movie or cast. And I don't think I have heard of this actor who playing Joker. If I do it's not by name. But to me the ultimate portrayal of Joker has been Mark Hamill.
Nicholson was very good, but I could never love that movie for a few major reasons. First being Keaton. While I have grown to appreciate his portrayal he will always be Mr. Mom to me...Not Batman. Physically he was totally unbelievable to what Bruce Wayne/Batman would look like. And secondly was the Soundtrack. F'n Price! It almost made the movie unbearable to watch. Especially the scene were they turn on the boom box and ruin the artwork. It almost ruined the movie for me.
Ledger I thought he did a great job playing the psychotic aspect of Joker...but there really wasn't any humor to him. Joker should have a warped and psychotic sense of humor to him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 17:20:53 GMT -5
First I will say this...I have no knowledge of this movie or cast. And I don't think I have heard of this actor who playing Joker. If I do it's not by name. But to me the ultimate portrayal of Joker has been Mark Hamill. Nicholson was very good, but I could never love that movie for a few major reasons. First being Keaton. While I have grown to appreciate his portrayal he will always be Mr. Mom to me...Not Batman. Physically he was totally unbelievable to what Bruce Wayne/Batman would look like. And secondly was the Soundtrack. F'n Price! It almost made the movie unbearable to watch. Especially the scene were they turn on the boom box and ruin the artwork. It almost ruined the movie for me. Ledger I thought he did a great job playing the psychotic aspect of Joker...but there really wasn't any humor to him. Joker should have a warped and psychotic sense of humor to him. Nobody will ever top Hamills performance. He is the Joker. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 20:21:54 GMT -5
Hamills Joker(especially in Mask Of the Phantasm)will likely NEVER be bettered.
Dini & Timm nailed him down in that movie......they really did.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 1:28:37 GMT -5
Hamills Joker(especially in Mask Of the Phantasm)will likely NEVER be bettered. Dini & Timm nailed him down in that movie......they really did. True, though I did really enjoy this Joker |
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Post by Word™ on Jan 28, 2015 1:01:45 GMT -5
From Collider:
The article also offers up a brief description of The Joker. Apparently he’s “scarred all over his body because of his battles with Batman.” He’s also got a habit of playing “mind games with people and twists [their] minds.” The JoBlo source also highlights, “everyone is afraid of him.”
If this description of The Joker is accurate, it would confirm that The Joker has a pre-established relationship with Batman. According to JoBlo, Ben Affleck’s Batman is “mentioned in the script and even shown on surveillance cameras” because Amanda Waller is “after him for something.” They don’t confirm that Affleck will appear in the film in the flesh, but do note that a cameo is dependent on his schedule, so there’s still “a good possibility” it could happen.
Good.. I think the best part about everything Warner Bros are doing with DC is skipping the reboot, having an established Batman that is already tired of being Batman.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 7:14:21 GMT -5
From Collider: The article also offers up a brief description of The Joker. Apparently he’s “scarred all over his body because of his battles with Batman.” He’s also got a habit of playing “mind games with people and twists [their] minds.” The JoBlo source also highlights, “everyone is afraid of him.”
If this description of The Joker is accurate, it would confirm that The Joker has a pre-established relationship with Batman. According to JoBlo, Ben Affleck’s Batman is “mentioned in the script and even shown on surveillance cameras” because Amanda Waller is “after him for something.” They don’t confirm that Affleck will appear in the film in the flesh, but do note that a cameo is dependent on his schedule, so there’s still “a good possibility” it could happen.Good.. I think the best part about everything Warner Bros are doing with DC is skipping the reboot, having an established Batman that is already tired of being Batman. I like the idea of a pre established Batman/Joker dynamic. However I dislike the notion that Bruce would be tired of being Batman.....Bruce is the façade.....not Batman. Also if the Joker is out there it makes the notion of this Batman being semi retired(or whatever) even more unpalatable to me. however I still look forward to Afflecks Batman & Letos Joker TREMENDOUSLY. |
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Post by Word™ on Jan 28, 2015 7:36:15 GMT -5
From Collider: The article also offers up a brief description of The Joker. Apparently he’s “scarred all over his body because of his battles with Batman.” He’s also got a habit of playing “mind games with people and twists [their] minds.” The JoBlo source also highlights, “everyone is afraid of him.”
If this description of The Joker is accurate, it would confirm that The Joker has a pre-established relationship with Batman. According to JoBlo, Ben Affleck’s Batman is “mentioned in the script and even shown on surveillance cameras” because Amanda Waller is “after him for something.” They don’t confirm that Affleck will appear in the film in the flesh, but do note that a cameo is dependent on his schedule, so there’s still “a good possibility” it could happen.Good.. I think the best part about everything Warner Bros are doing with DC is skipping the reboot, having an established Batman that is already tired of being Batman. I like the idea of a pre established Batman/Joker dynamic. However I dislike the notion that Bruce would be tired of being Batman.....Bruce is the façade.....not Batman. Also if the Joker is out there it makes the notion of this Batman being semi retired(or whatever) even more unpalatable to me. however I still look forward to Afflecks Batman & Letos Joker TREMENDOUSLY. Batman is still Bruce.. Bruce Wayne has been Batman for so many years he is mentally and physically worn down but still has a demon to fight every now and then.. He's tired because he's a human being. |
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Jan 28, 2015 9:54:39 GMT -5
I doubt Batflick will be old and tired. If you look at the set pics of Ben as Bruce. He looks young and spry. Nothing about those pics depict a man broken down.
And I feel like Batflick is the perfect age to pick up mid story with Batman and the JLA.
Stoked for the Joker. I reckon Leto and Affleck will tear it up!
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Post by Word™ on Jan 28, 2015 10:29:10 GMT -5
Reports have literally said he is retired and 'seasoned'.. And that Superman destroying Metropolis is what puts him back in the suit.
The Joker having scars all over his body for Suicide Squad definitely backs up the claim that Bruce Wayne has done this for a long, long time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 11:35:13 GMT -5
I like the idea of a pre established Batman/Joker dynamic. However I dislike the notion that Bruce would be tired of being Batman.....Bruce is the façade.....not Batman. Also if the Joker is out there it makes the notion of this Batman being semi retired(or whatever) even more unpalatable to me. however I still look forward to Afflecks Batman & Letos Joker TREMENDOUSLY. Batman is still Bruce.. Bruce Wayne has been Batman for so many years he is mentally and physically worn down but still has a demon to fight every now and then.. He's tired because he's a human being. Sorry man,I know you are all for this version of Batman but it's not really for me. I'm not interested in a Batman that retires if I'm honest.This movie still has heaps to do to convince me on that score Hopefully it will. |
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Jan 28, 2015 12:09:14 GMT -5
Reports have been wrong before. And from who Batman is. To see he retire. Doesn't make sense. Especially if they're using The Dark Knight Returns as a backdrop. Batman in TDKR did not retire. He was still going. Operating behind the scenes.
I just cannot fathom Batman retiring. Going away. I can't.
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Post by Word™ on Jan 28, 2015 14:42:33 GMT -5
I think you're misunderstanding how the new DC Universe may play out.. An already retired Batman, seasoned and exhausted both mentally and physically has hung up the cowl.. We have pictures of Ben Affleck looking older, so it's been established Bruce Wayne is very much older and seen some brutal battles as alter ego Batman.. From reports I'm only assuming that he comes out of retirement due to Superman's destruction of Metropolis among other things, connections he has made as Bruce Wayne may come into play with Lex.
I'm expecting this to be somewhat of the story in Dawn of Justice, because sh*t is going to hit the fan real fast with each Justice League movie or tie in. They have no other choice, they're playing catch up. So starting with BvS everything is established except the Justice League, and I honestly expect the events of Man of Steel to bring Batman not out of complete retirement but mainly Justice League stuff. I expect his solo movies being more of a pre Man of Steel look at Bruce Wayne and Batman.. Because they've gone out of their way to make Ben Affleck look much older in BvS.
It's my theory, I think it would be neat to see a couple different solo Batman movies.. Him pre Man of Steel, him post Justice League, etc.. They could take very interesting routes and I think Affleck knew that and is why WB has changed their tone a few times since the very first announcement of BvS.. He brought in his writer, his crew to work with Snyder.. Hell, we might get some Ben Affleck directed Batman films.. Which IMO is bigger than any Nolan/Batman anything.
It's my 2 cents.
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