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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Jan 22, 2015 6:23:33 GMT -5
I'll take Undertaker vs Sting over Austin vs Punk. Punk himself said on the Art of Wrestling that he doesn't love wrestling anymore, he is fine if he never goes back to it. Plus people have wanted Taker vs Sting since at least the beginning of the Attitude Era. People only wanted Austin vs Punk because of the pipebomb thing.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Jan 22, 2015 6:24:14 GMT -5
They don't need Punk to get 100K Rock Austin Undertaker are enough Not even close. Those guys didn't draw 100,000 in their prime. Why would they in 2016? They also never booked arenas that could hold that many. They didn't run a stadium event with any of them again until WrestleMania 17 and none of the stadiums they were in could hold 100,000, no matter how quickly they sold out of seats.
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Post by BulletV1 on Jan 22, 2015 10:18:31 GMT -5
Ha ha ha ha.... 100,000 eh?? Well seeing that at Wrestlemania III didn't even have 93,000 fans (a number the WWE actually made up according to some books I have read) then I am sure Wrestlemania 32 will have well over 100,000 fans.... which would actually only be probably 78,000 fans. But as long as its a stadium and every seating area is fart apart from each other, it'll look like 100,000 fans. The 93,000 figure is correct. A Guinness world record and Silverdome Management holds a lot more weight then you just simply saying wrong. Ohh I forgot Meltzer said it so it must be the gospel. For a football game it sat 80,133. Which you can see all of those seats are full. Then all of the ground level seating. So getting another 13,000 would be easily doable. So please by all means present a fact that backs up your claim. Here's a pretty good piece on it as well. bleacherreport.com/articles/69939-the-93173-debatemy-take
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Post by 0,Y on Jan 22, 2015 10:30:50 GMT -5
It's WrestleMania, it will sell-out. They only need to have 100k seats and done.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 22, 2015 10:31:50 GMT -5
I'll take Undertaker vs Sting over Austin vs Punk. Punk himself said on the Art of Wrestling that he doesn't love wrestling anymore, he is fine if he never goes back to it. Plus people have wanted Taker vs Sting since at least the beginning of the Attitude Era. People only wanted Austin vs Punk because of the pipebomb thing. No, people want Austin vs Punk because both their gimmicks were designed to play off one another. Plus, the fact they're both ing awesome really helps too. Punk's dream match is with Austin, Austin has openly said he would love to work with Punk. It's the absolute only scenario I see Punk returning to WWE for, that being the main event against Austin. I don't think it's happening but the pipe bomb is hardly the reason Punk vs Austin needs to happen. Also, I'm in full support of Taker vs Sting. I think it would have as good an atmosphere as Rock vs Hogan, but the streak is over. So a ton of the appeal with Taker matches in general is gone. Hardcore fans are dying for the franchise of WCW to take on the franchise of WWE, and I think it draws on nostalgia in a very big way. Closing out Mania in front of 85,000 or so fans? I don't know. That's a lot of pressure on two guys who are clearly past their prime. A Punk vs Austin scenario has CM Punk in the equation, meaning a guy in his relative prime able to carry the match for the older guy. Sting vs Taker won't have that. Maybe the atmosphere alone would be enough, maybe not. I don't know what I would do for the main event given the cards on the table, I'm glad it's not my problem honestly.
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Post by WrestlingRebook on Jan 22, 2015 10:34:18 GMT -5
Ha ha ha ha.... 100,000 eh?? Well seeing that at Wrestlemania III didn't even have 93,000 fans (a number the WWE actually made up according to some books I have read) then I am sure Wrestlemania 32 will have well over 100,000 fans.... which would actually only be probably 78,000 fans. But as long as its a stadium and every seating area is fart apart from each other, it'll look like 100,000 fans. It goes by tickets sold not who's actually in attendance
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Jan 22, 2015 10:43:47 GMT -5
Ha ha ha ha.... 100,000 eh?? Well seeing that at Wrestlemania III didn't even have 93,000 fans (a number the WWE actually made up according to some books I have read) then I am sure Wrestlemania 32 will have well over 100,000 fans.... which would actually only be probably 78,000 fans. But as long as its a stadium and every seating area is fart apart from each other, it'll look like 100,000 fans. The 93,000 figure is correct. A Guinness world record and Silverdome Management holds a lot more weight then you just simply saying wrong. Ohh I forgot Meltzer said it so it must be the gospel. For a football game it sat 80,133. Which you can see all of those seats are full. Then all of the ground level seating. So getting another 13,000 would be easily doable. So please by all means present a fact that backs up your claim. Here's a pretty good piece on it as well. bleacherreport.com/articles/69939-the-93173-debatemy-takeIf Guinness confirmed it, then I would take their word on it since they are VERY meticulous over their records. Trust me, I once participated in the world's largest game of freeze tag. The game lasted nowhere close to how long it took for them to go everything and count everyone to make sure that we did in fact break the record
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 22, 2015 11:58:27 GMT -5
Ha ha ha ha.... 100,000 eh?? Well seeing that at Wrestlemania III didn't even have 93,000 fans (a number the WWE actually made up according to some books I have read) then I am sure Wrestlemania 32 will have well over 100,000 fans.... which would actually only be probably 78,000 fans. But as long as its a stadium and every seating area is fart apart from each other, it'll look like 100,000 fans. The 93,000 figure is correct. A Guinness world record and Silverdome Management holds a lot more weight then you just simply saying wrong. Ohh I forgot Meltzer said it so it must be the gospel. For a football game it sat 80,133. Which you can see all of those seats are full. Then all of the ground level seating. So getting another 13,000 would be easily doable. So please by all means present a fact that backs up your claim. Here's a pretty good piece on it as well. bleacherreport.com/articles/69939-the-93173-debatemy-takeI just read in the Death of WCW book, and I quote... "One of the primary reasons that WCW house show business was so hot at the time was due to the awesome work of Zane Bresloff. Bresloff not only promoted WCW events, he was also the man behind the promotion of Wrestlemania III, for which the WWE claimed to have jammed 93,000 fans into the Pontiac Silverdone. Years later, Bresloff himself would admit that the number was realistically 78,000." So I have reason to believe that is my fact that backs up my claim, slap nut!
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Post by RybackV1 on Jan 22, 2015 12:09:07 GMT -5
Sting vs Taker retirement match and Austin or HBK coming back for one more will be plenty to hit that number
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 22, 2015 12:27:56 GMT -5
Just to put this to bed. Decide whatever you want but here is the information:
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Jan 22, 2015 22:00:27 GMT -5
I'll take Undertaker vs Sting over Austin vs Punk. Punk himself said on the Art of Wrestling that he doesn't love wrestling anymore, he is fine if he never goes back to it. Plus people have wanted Taker vs Sting since at least the beginning of the Attitude Era. People only wanted Austin vs Punk because of the pipebomb thing. No, people want Austin vs Punk because both their gimmicks were designed to play off one another. Plus, the fact they're both ing awesome really helps too. Punk's dream match is with Austin, Austin has openly said he would love to work with Punk. It's the absolute only scenario I see Punk returning to WWE for, that being the main event against Austin. I don't think it's happening but the pipe bomb is hardly the reason Punk vs Austin needs to happen. Also, I'm in full support of Taker vs Sting. I think it would have as good an atmosphere as Rock vs Hogan, but the streak is over. So a ton of the appeal with Taker matches in general is gone. Hardcore fans are dying for the franchise of WCW to take on the franchise of WWE, and I think it draws on nostalgia in a very big way. Closing out Mania in front of 85,000 or so fans? I don't know. That's a lot of pressure on two guys who are clearly past their prime. A Punk vs Austin scenario has CM Punk in the equation, meaning a guy in his relative prime able to carry the match for the older guy. Sting vs Taker won't have that. Maybe the atmosphere alone would be enough, maybe not. I don't know what I would do for the main event given the cards on the table, I'm glad it's not my problem honestly. Austin and Punk did have similar characters, only when we thought he was leaving after Money In The Bank. I never heard of anyone wanting Austin vs Punk before that time. Plus with Punk saying he's done and he doesn't give a about the industry anymore, That's made me lose all interest in the match, because if something does change and he wants to go come back in 10 - 15 years, he'll be well into his late 40's early 50's, and Austin will 60 odd. Sting and Taker are both there currently, Sting can still have a good match if he wants to and Taker having one last match in Texas in the main event would be awesome.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jan 22, 2015 22:35:33 GMT -5
I don't know about 100,000. They don't have that type of star power unless they're shelling out a tremendous amount of money to get Austin, Taker, Sting and Rock to all wrestle. Austin vs. Punk would be unbelievable, but any thought of Punk returning at this point are nothing more than a pipe dream.
And I do think that Punk vs. Austin would draw more than Cena vs. Austin.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Jan 23, 2015 2:13:26 GMT -5
I guarantee you that Austin vs. Cena would draw more than Punk vs. Austin. I'd never ever need to see that match.... But you're right.
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Post by Rattlehead on Jan 23, 2015 10:21:23 GMT -5
If the current roster wasn't booked so bad, we wouldn't have to rely on legends for good ratings.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 23, 2015 10:45:06 GMT -5
If the current roster wasn't booked so bad, we wouldn't have to rely on legends for good ratings. I don't think anyone would argue with that but WWE has been doing this for years. This has actually been a pretty incredible year or two in terms of new stars. We're talking about Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose and Wyatt as legitimate stars for the next decade, and NXT is as strong as it has ever been before. It's not an overnight process, nor does it need to be, but WWE is seeing the writing on the wall with Cena getting older. It probably doesn't help them for WM32 but if we look at Mania 35 or so, that star quality is probably going to be there with some, if not all, of these younger guys. It's all about the overall product being better though, which has been the ultimate problem since like 2005 or so imo. It doesn't matter how good your new stars are if nobody is tuned in to watch them.
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Post by Dan on Jan 24, 2015 7:04:16 GMT -5
Stone Cold vs John Cena, or Stone Cold vs Brock Lesnar are the only two Headline Matches that they'd have a chance of doing this with. Still, even logistically, 100,000 woudl be near impossible, with the Stage taking up one end of the Stadium.
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Post by metallica90 on Jan 24, 2015 7:40:56 GMT -5
They don't need Punk to get 100K Rock Austin Undertaker are enough Not even close. Those guys didn't draw 100,000 in their prime. Why would they in 2016? Were they ever in a place that could hold 100k?
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jan 24, 2015 14:27:59 GMT -5
I think this might require them resurrecting WCW and not giving them the WWECW treatment. The nostalgia freestyle might take them to 100,000.
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Post by skribbel24 on Jan 24, 2015 15:34:06 GMT -5
WrestleMania sells out no matter how good or bad the show is. Question is will they have 100,000 tickets available for sale?
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jan 25, 2015 12:57:29 GMT -5
If there really is going to be 100,000 seats available then it's a safe bet that the attendance record will be broken. The card has also gotta be stacked.
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