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Post by johnnyb on Jan 27, 2015 11:30:32 GMT -5
Oh and also, holy crap does Rusev vs. Lesnar sound like an incredible match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 11:41:11 GMT -5
The chants were because the fans were desperate not to have a guy picked by the machine to be at the top. Rusev has done far less than Roman, but the smarks were chanting for him over Roman simply because they wanted a hand in the outcome. Plenty of the all-time greats got to the title with less credibility and with less time spent in the company than Roman. Yokozuna had 1 PPV singles match against Virgil before winning the Royal Rumble and then going over the face of the company at WM9. Hogan won the title 4 weeks after his return to the WWF in 1983 (He'd spent around a year there previously, but only under VMS ownership). Kevin Nash is particularly comparable to Roman, he was an active wrestler for about 10 months before he got the title, his build included dominating a Royal Rumble and eliminating a ton of guys in a Survivor Series match. Well, Rusev has had more singles matches than Roman and been more impressive in the ring but yes, he would have been a bad choice. The fans were angry and just reaction. Let's stop being smarks who call other fans smarks please. Yokozuna was never built to be the guy like Roman is. He went over the Champion at WM9, only to lose it instantly to Hogan. He won it back but dropped it to teh face of the company. Just like CM Punk, who had a 434 day reign but was never the guy. Invalid. Hogan did this in 1983. Things were way different back then. Kevin Nash is similar, I will admit. However, he did win the IC Title and had a particularly memorable match against Bret Hart at the King of the Ring. Which is more than Roman. Also, Diesel's year as Champion was terrible financially. I do appreciate that this was an actual response and not the generic "you're just a fan who is upset about his darlings" crap that a lot of us get for no reason. I don't see Roman being built as "the guy". Cena is still going to be the guy until he hangs up his boots (probably in a decade). Roman is being groomed as "a" top star. A Randy Orton, a CM Punk, or a Batista. I don't see Roman ever getting the crossover appeal that John has to both kids and adults, and transcending the business like very few ever have. Yoko proceeded to go over Hogan following WM, meaning that he went over the two biggest stars in consecutive PPVs, after nothing more than a match with Virgil. Whether he was the face of the company is pretty irrelevant. I could say that, it's 2015, things are different now. People don't get built up like they used to. We live in an age of hot potato title reigns (heh, reigns). Nash's lacklustre run had nothing to do with his build, and everything to do with his booking after he got the title.
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Post by xavion2004 on Jan 27, 2015 12:00:36 GMT -5
The sad thing is that it's all so simple. Put the belt on Bryan at WM 31 and put the belt on Reigns at WM 32. Do that, and I think you make the majority of the fans happy.
Instead, they're taking a guy whose moment is now and who may be performing on borrowed time and pushing him aside, and they're taking a guy who has his prime years still ahead of him and destroying his future.
I hate what's happening to both of them. I really do.
If Bryan had won the Rumble, all the heat would have been off Reigns. Win-Win.
Instead we go Lose-Lose.
If this is the way it's going to go down, and it sure looks like it is, I hope the fans will at least cut Reigns some slack.
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Post by hbkjason on Jan 27, 2015 12:46:15 GMT -5
I get why he won the Rumble, but he looked so freaking weak! It felt like he spent most of the match in one of the corners he should have came in kicked ass at 100 mph! Also why not have him and Bryan as the last two? Have them have a good back and forth for say 5-10 minuets and then have Roman toss him out. The way it went down everyone in the arena knew as soon as Bryan went out that Roman was winning. It was so predictable, so lazy and I think that is what pissed so many people off. he should have dominated in the Rumble instead he looked just like an average Joe the whole time he was in there. I think his performance in last years Rumble was far more memorable and made him look a legit bad ass. Very strange booking of the Rumble I am not pissed like so many people are that Bryan did not win, but I do not see how him getting eliminated the way he did does any good at all.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jan 27, 2015 13:22:18 GMT -5
The sad thing is that it's all so simple. Put the belt on Bryan at WM 31 and put the belt on Reigns at WM 32. Do that, and I think you make the majority of the fans happy. Instead, they're taking a guy whose moment is now and who may be performing on borrowed time and pushing him aside, and they're taking a guy who has his prime years still ahead of him and destroying his future. I hate what's happening to both of them. I really do. If Bryan had won the Rumble, all the heat would have been off Reigns. Win-Win. Instead we go Lose-Lose. If this is the way it's going to go down, and it sure looks like it is, I hope the fans will at least cut Reigns some slack. It's the WF fan logic mate. If Bryan doesn't win the title at every Mania, until he retires or they find a new person to root for, they wouldn't be happy. This place would have been split into halves if someone like Ambrose would have won the Rumble.
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Post by Colter on Jan 28, 2015 3:31:09 GMT -5
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Post by Himmy! on Jan 28, 2015 4:09:32 GMT -5
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Post by facemeat on Jan 28, 2015 12:18:31 GMT -5
Anybody listen to his interview with Sam Roberts? I haven't had a chance to yet, but apparently during it, he says: Just turn him heel now. With the sh*t he's been saying in interviews lately, how can they expect him to remain face?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 12:23:31 GMT -5
Anybody listen to his interview with Sam Roberts? I haven't had a chance to yet, but apparently during it, he says:Just turn him heel now. With the sh*t he's been saying in interviews lately, how can they expect him to remain face? I really do not like responses like that. You have more money than us, fine, you're still mediocre. Bragging about his wealth, the stupid "don't have the job, don't complain" mentality. This dude needs to bring his ego down a little.
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Post by xavion2004 on Jan 28, 2015 13:00:25 GMT -5
Anybody listen to his interview with Sam Roberts? I haven't had a chance to yet, but apparently during it, he says:Just turn him heel now. With the sh*t he's been saying in interviews lately, how can they expect him to remain face? I'd like to hear it in context before passing judgment. It's very easy to take a quote like that and make someone look like a total d-bag when you can't hear the flow of the conversation or the tone of his voice. You know, the more I see fans dogpile on Reigns, the more I want to see him take this push and run with it. I'm just funny that way. Last night, I watched some of his matches on Raw from last summer on You Tube. I don't know where the IWC stood on Reigns back then, but the guy was definitely over with the crowd. Not Daniel Bryan over, but definitely over. These were all post-Shield singles matches against the top heels in the company. I'm starting to get the impression that his push was going over just fine until he got injured. (BTW, none of that is directed at you, facemeat. You're just relaying what you read, and you qualified it up front by saying that you haven't heard the actual interview either.)
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Post by Boy Wonder on Jan 28, 2015 13:33:38 GMT -5
Fact is that Bryan is the most popular star they've had since Stone Cold, and they refuse to push him out of spite. He's more popular than Cena, Orton, Edge, Hardy, Punk, Rey, or any other top guy has been over the past 15 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 13:57:34 GMT -5
Fact is that Bryan is the most popular star they've had since Stone Cold, and they refuse to push him out of spite. He's more popular than Cena, Orton, Edge, Hardy, Punk, Rey, or any other top guy has been over the past 15 years. Cena is more popular than Bryan. He's still selling a ton more merch than anyone else. It's VERY easy for people to sit there and cheer for Bryan and boo Cena. So Bryan's fans are one of two things; either they're the whiny, vocal minority, or they're the type of fan not willing to put their money where their mouth is. Either way Cena is more over than Bryan.
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Post by Dan on Jan 28, 2015 14:01:32 GMT -5
In my absolute honest opinion, the best option would have been;
Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestlemania 31. Bryan would scratch and claw and use everything in his being to finally overcome the Beast... only t have it all taken away from him with a cash in from Seth Rollins to close out Wrestlemania. The Match would be great, the Story would sell, there would be no risk as Bryan is already over and a Star, and it would instantly build a new Star in Seth Rollins, whilst also giving him the ultimate amount of heel heat by doing that to everyone's much loved Daniel Bryan. Then, Roman Reigns could have his moment at Summerslam when he has had an extra 8 months or so to get ready, not rushed, forced, unnatural.
Instead, we have a situation where we have Roman Reigns, a guy we can all see has potential and the credentials, but has been completely rushed and forced fed to us, vs Lesnar who we all know will be leaving. I have a bad feeling this could end up being Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg II.
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Post by Robert69 on Jan 28, 2015 14:12:12 GMT -5
Anybody listen to his interview with Sam Roberts? I haven't had a chance to yet, but apparently during it, he says:Just turn him heel now. With the sh*t he's been saying in interviews lately, how can they expect him to remain face? I'm trying to figure out what's so bad about what he says here. He's stating a simple fact. The business feels they know what is best for their business, and that's what they're going to do. All Roman is saying, is what anyone would say, in their given job. If the company is going to do what they're going to do, hopefully I'm going to benefit from it. Cool. Put food on your family's table. Doesn't sound like a d-bag to me, at all. Sounds like a father, and provider hoping he gets the rub when the company makes their call. Same as anyone else working for the company does, I'm sure.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jan 28, 2015 14:13:06 GMT -5
In my absolute honest opinion, the best option would have been; Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestlemania 31. Bryan would scratch and claw and use everything in his being to finally overcome the Beast... only t have it all taken away from him with a cash in from Seth Rollins to close out Wrestlemania. The Match would be great, the Story would sell, there would be no risk as Bryan is already over and a Star, and it would instantly build a new Star in Seth Rollins, whilst also giving him the ultimate amount of heel heat by doing that to everyone's much loved Daniel Bryan. Then, Roman Reigns could have his moment at Summerslam when he has had an extra 8 months or so to get ready, not rushed, forced, unnatural. Instead, we have a situation where we have Roman Reigns, a guy we can all see has potential and the credentials, but has been completely rushed and forced fed to us, vs Lesnar who we all know will be leaving. I have a bad feeling this could end up being Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg II. I think everyone would have preferred this match, but the thing I keep coming back to is that I wouldn't jeopardize Bryan's career like that. Lesnar is FAR too physical of an opponent for Bryan right now. Look at how he handled Undertaker at WM30. DB's neck injury was so serious that he was out for nine months. The option of retirement was on the table. If Bryan were 100% and there was an incredible chance that his career wouldn't be in danger, he's the clear option. It'd be reckless on WWE's behalf to put him in an epic WM match against Brock. Until I watch the match, I'm willing to give Roman Reigns the benefit of the doubt that he can be a good option in the main event.
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Post by facemeat on Jan 28, 2015 14:19:58 GMT -5
Anybody listen to his interview with Sam Roberts? I haven't had a chance to yet, but apparently during it, he says:Just turn him heel now. With the sh*t he's been saying in interviews lately, how can they expect him to remain face? I'm trying to figure out what's so bad about what he says here. He's stating a simple fact. The business feels they know what is best for their business, and that's what they're going to do. All Roman is saying, is what anyone would say, in their given job. If the company is going to do what they're going to do, hopefully I'm going to benefit from it. Cool. Put food on your family's table. Doesn't sound like a d-bag to me, at all. Sounds like a father, and provider hoping he gets the rub when the company makes their call. Same as anyone else working for the company does, I'm sure. Like I said, I didn't listen to the interview, so I don't know the context, but from reading that quote (and some other things he's said recently, both scripted and unscripted) he just comes off as heelish, which is weird if they're trying to push him as the top face. I'm not saying that what he said is necessarily wrong, it just seems like a weird thing to say given his position at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 14:20:16 GMT -5
In my absolute honest opinion, the best option would have been; Brock Lesnar vs Daniel Bryan for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestlemania 31. Bryan would scratch and claw and use everything in his being to finally overcome the Beast... only t have it all taken away from him with a cash in from Seth Rollins to close out Wrestlemania. The Match would be great, the Story would sell, there would be no risk as Bryan is already over and a Star, and it would instantly build a new Star in Seth Rollins, whilst also giving him the ultimate amount of heel heat by doing that to everyone's much loved Daniel Bryan. Then, Roman Reigns could have his moment at Summerslam when he has had an extra 8 months or so to get ready, not rushed, forced, unnatural. Instead, we have a situation where we have Roman Reigns, a guy we can all see has potential and the credentials, but has been completely rushed and forced fed to us, vs Lesnar who we all know will be leaving. I have a bad feeling this could end up being Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg II. This whole thing has been brewing since Brock ended the streak. All of this is intended to MAKE a new star. There's absolutely no sense in wasting that on Bryan. He's already a star, he went through 4 of the biggest stars in the history of the business between Summerslam 2013 and Wrestlemania 30, 3 of which were on the same night. He's already there.
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Post by Robert69 on Jan 28, 2015 14:25:47 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out what's so bad about what he says here. He's stating a simple fact. The business feels they know what is best for their business, and that's what they're going to do. All Roman is saying, is what anyone would say, in their given job. If the company is going to do what they're going to do, hopefully I'm going to benefit from it. Cool. Put food on your family's table. Doesn't sound like a d-bag to me, at all. Sounds like a father, and provider hoping he gets the rub when the company makes their call. Same as anyone else working for the company does, I'm sure. Like I said, I didn't listen to the interview, so I don't know the context, but from reading that quote (and some other things he's said recently, both scripted and unscripted) he just comes off as heelish, which is weird if they're trying to push him as the top face. I'm not saying that what he said is necessarily wrong, it just seems like a weird thing to say given his position at the moment. I get that. Wasn't really a question directed at you, just more me addressing it, in general. If his character were kept the mostly silent, semi-tweener type he played in the SHIELD, and showed during the Lesnar/Heyman interview Monday -- I think stuff like this would be applicable. WWE just needs to stop sending him out there to tell Fairy Tales, and Looney Tunes jokes. That's on the company, though, and in that regard, they're making a HUGE mistake with him. Hopefully after Monday, they'll see that he was better suited with that attitude, and direct him more that way. I noticed a lot of his usual detractors, even on this board, let up off him after Monday night, a bit. Was glad to see that. I don't mind him talking like this, but the company can't simultaneously have him doing goofy Cena-ish sh*t, too. They gotta choose one, or the other.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 28, 2015 14:48:41 GMT -5
I'm listening to the Don Tony and Kevin Castle Show, who had the Wrestling Soup guy also join. I forgot which one of the four said this, but they mentioned that it would have been better for Daniel Bryan to stay off TV until AFTER the Royal Rumble. I think that if Bryan was not at the Rumble, I'd doubt Roman Reigns would have been booed as much as he did. Sure it would have made the Rumble even more predictable, but it would have gone better for Reigns, despite him not being ready to be the guy. I mean after Bryan's elimination, the momentum of the Rumble went down. I even stopped caring about the Rumble until Ambrose, Ziggler came in and hoping that there would be a swerve and at least Ziggler would win the Rumble.
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Post by Word™ on Jan 28, 2015 15:02:02 GMT -5
Anybody listen to his interview with Sam Roberts? I haven't had a chance to yet, but apparently during it, he says:Just turn him heel now. With the sh*t he's been saying in interviews lately, how can they expect him to remain face? It's Dwayne all over again.. He's getting the Rocky treatment.. He's getting special treatment, the audience knows he's getting special treatment, they're resenting him, he's becoming an assh*le, then they turn him heel, win some titles, maybe flash some winks and smiles.. And then he'll just leave... ....After another injury because he can't act.
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