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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 30, 2015 11:13:58 GMT -5
Cena is damn good. Technically, his moves look bad. I'll admit that 100%, but he's damn good.
Averagejabroni, I don't think you've ever posted anything that wasn't anti-Cena. Does that not get tiring?
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 11:15:21 GMT -5
5 moves that he didn't botch that were impressive. Hurricanrana Springboard stunner Superplex STF Attitude Adjustment I can name you what I don't like about each of those moves. He can't even do the hurricanrana right. His back isn't supposed to touch the ground. He should call it the self powerbombarana. His hurricanrana looks like crap. The springboard stunner is one of the most uncoordinated wrestling moves I have ever seen. When he bounces off of the ropes he has the potential to blow someone's knee out due to how uncoordinated he is. A superplex is a superplex. So sure, he throws a good superplex. The STF is the most loose and unrealistic wrestling submissions I have ever seen. It doesn't look like it hurts at all due to his arms being so loose and night tightened up. Not to mention his laughable facial expression while doing it. Stone Cold has also brought this up too, but Cena didn't take his advice. The attitude adjustment is a standing fire mans carry. That's it. So if you consider that one of his 5 best moves, great. It does nothing for me. This is just my opinion. It isn't blind hatred, I've seen his matches and I know what looks like crap and what doesn't. Most of the moves that you listed look like crap to me.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 11:17:17 GMT -5
Cena is damn good. Technically, his moves look bad. I'll admit that 100%, but he's damn good. Averagejabroni, I don't think you've ever posted anything that wasn't anti-Cena. Does that not get tiring? I have posted things that weren't anti-Cena. Can I ask a serious question though. How can Cena's moves technically be bad but he is damn good? It's a serious question, I want to know the answer.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 30, 2015 11:22:10 GMT -5
Cena is damn good. Technically, his moves look bad. I'll admit that 100%, but he's damn good. Averagejabroni, I don't think you've ever posted anything that wasn't anti-Cena. Does that not get tiring? I have posted things that weren't anti-Cena. Can I ask a serious question though. How can Cena's moves technically be bad but he is damn good? It's a serious question, I want to know the answer. Because there is more to wrestling than looking technically sound. I also didn't say his moves were bad, I said they looked bad. I can find tons of good to great Cena matches and they aren't just "because he had a good opponent." Why we still must have this discussion is 2015 is beyond me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:23:18 GMT -5
Cena is damn good. Technically, his moves look bad. I'll admit that 100%, but he's damn good. Averagejabroni, I don't think you've ever posted anything that wasn't anti-Cena. Does that not get tiring? I have posted things that weren't anti-Cena. Can I ask a serious question though. How can Cena's moves technically be bad but he is damn good? It's a serious question, I want to know the answer. He's still a good worker who is more than capable of putting on good matches. You're quite possibly the biggest smark I've ever spoken to.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 11:27:40 GMT -5
I have posted things that weren't anti-Cena. Can I ask a serious question though. How can Cena's moves technically be bad but he is damn good? It's a serious question, I want to know the answer. He's still a good worker who is more than capable of putting on good matches. You're quite possibly the biggest smark I've ever spoken to. That word "smark" annoys the out of me. Just because I think Cena is overrated I'm a smark? No, you need to stop labelling people for having different opinions than you. Like I said before, him putting on "good matches" but his moves being "technically bad" proves my point. The match is not good because if Cena. It's because of the opportunity afforded to him with long ass matches with 1000000 kick outs and 5 star opponents. And than all of the Cena marks get on the internet and start giving him credit for the match. Please, just stop.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 11:30:52 GMT -5
I have posted things that weren't anti-Cena. Can I ask a serious question though. How can Cena's moves technically be bad but he is damn good? It's a serious question, I want to know the answer. Because there is more to wrestling than looking technically sound. I also didn't say his moves were bad, I said they looked bad. I can find tons of good to great Cena matches and they aren't just "because he had a good opponent." Why we still must have this discussion is 2015 is beyond me. And my point in the other thread was that his matches from his end are bad because he constantly botches and his moves look bad. The framework of a match he is being given, that nobody else on the roster is allowed to use is what drives people to make assumptions. But, this is an unpopular opinions thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:34:05 GMT -5
He's still a good worker who is more than capable of putting on good matches. You're quite possibly the biggest smark I've ever spoken to. That word "smark" annoys the out of me. Just because I think Cena is overrated I'm a smark? No, you need to stop labelling people for having different opinions than you. Like I said before, him putting on "good matches" but his moves being "technically bad" proves my point. The match is not good because if Cena. It's because of the opportunity afforded to him with long ass matches with 1000000 kick outs and 5 star opponents. And than all of the Cena marks get on the internet and start giving him credit for the match. Please, just stop. You are incorrect. It takes more than moves to have good matches. You cannot be carried to 4*+ matches. Great Khali did not carry Cena to a good match. Punk did not carry Cena to a 5* match. Cena can tell a Damn good story in the ring. He gets a reaction, he gets the crowd invested. False finishes add to it the way they add to every main event match, that's not exclusive to him. Cena is a great worker. Stop shoving your opinion down everyone's throat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:34:18 GMT -5
I have posted things that weren't anti-Cena. Can I ask a serious question though. How can Cena's moves technically be bad but he is damn good? It's a serious question, I want to know the answer. Because there is more to wrestling than looking technically sound. I also didn't say his moves were bad, I said they looked bad. I can find tons of good to great Cena matches and they aren't just "because he had a good opponent." Why we still must have this discussion is 2015 is beyond me. Remember that time when The Great Khali carried John to that great match they had? Yeah, man, that was all Khali, that Jabroni John Cena is so lucky that other people always make him look good.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 30, 2015 11:34:36 GMT -5
Because there is more to wrestling than looking technically sound. I also didn't say his moves were bad, I said they looked bad. I can find tons of good to great Cena matches and they aren't just "because he had a good opponent." Why we still must have this discussion is 2015 is beyond me. And my point in the other thread was that his matches from his end are bad because he constantly botches and his moves look bad. The framework of a match he is being given, that nobody else on the roster is allowed to use is what drives people to make assumptions. But, this is an unpopular opinions thread. It is indeed the unpopular opinions thread. I'm not going to argue this anymore. People have made points in multiple threads but you aren't going to budge on your stance. You loathe John Cena and you've made it clear time and time and time and time and time again. I'm done here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:34:54 GMT -5
The Lord is testing me today.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 30, 2015 11:36:00 GMT -5
Because there is more to wrestling than looking technically sound. I also didn't say his moves were bad, I said they looked bad. I can find tons of good to great Cena matches and they aren't just "because he had a good opponent." Why we still must have this discussion is 2015 is beyond me. Remember that time when The Great Khali carried John to that great match they had? Yeah, man, that was all Khali, that Jabroni John Cena is so lucky that other people always make him look good. The Great Khali carried John Cena Umaga carried John Cena Sabu carried John Cena Zack Ryder carried John Cena JBL carried John Cena
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 11:38:36 GMT -5
That word "smark" annoys the out of me. Just because I think Cena is overrated I'm a smark? No, you need to stop labelling people for having different opinions than you. Like I said before, him putting on "good matches" but his moves being "technically bad" proves my point. The match is not good because if Cena. It's because of the opportunity afforded to him with long ass matches with 1000000 kick outs and 5 star opponents. And than all of the Cena marks get on the internet and start giving him credit for the match. Please, just stop. You are incorrect. It takes more than moves to have good matches. You cannot be carried to 4*+ matches. Great Khali did not carry Cena to a good match. Punk did not carry Cena to a 5* match. Cena can tell a Damn good story in the ring. He gets a reaction, he gets the crowd invested. False finishes add to it the way they add to every main event match, that's not exclusive to him. Cena is a great worker. Stop shoving your opinion down everyone's throat. Did you literally join the board just to respond to my comment? I'm not shoving my opinion down everyone's throats, I'm responding to people who dispute my opinion or call me stupid for having it. Btw, I never said it was just his opponents carrying him to a 4 star match. It's his opponents, the structure of the match and all of the false finishes. Great Khali didn't have a gold match with Cena. Great Khali can't have a good match with anyone. Why is he even being brought up? It's a matter of opinions and it seems like a lot of people get mad when you decide to come out and state one.
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Post by Weemanv1 on Jun 30, 2015 11:41:15 GMT -5
Remember that time when The Great Khali carried John to that great match they had? Yeah, man, that was all Khali, that Jabroni John Cena is so lucky that other people always make him look good. The Great Khali carried John Cena Umaga carried John Cena Sabu carried John Cena Zack Ryder carried John Cena JBL carried John CenaOf course he did. He's a wrestling god.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:41:25 GMT -5
Even if dolph left I wouldn't be too bothered by it.IMO hes Easily replaceable.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 11:43:23 GMT -5
Because there is more to wrestling than looking technically sound. I also didn't say his moves were bad, I said they looked bad. I can find tons of good to great Cena matches and they aren't just "because he had a good opponent." Why we still must have this discussion is 2015 is beyond me. Remember that time when The Great Khali carried John to that great match they had? Yeah, man, that was all Khali, that Jabroni John Cena is so lucky that other people always make him look good. Great match? With Khali? Wait, what? Remember that time when The Great Khali carried John to that great match they had? Yeah, man, that was all Khali, that Jabroni John Cena is so lucky that other people always make him look good. The Great Khali carried John Cena Umaga carried John Cena Sabu carried John Cena Zack Ryder carried John Cena JBL carried John Cena Is your eyesight working correctly? I remember time and time again stating that Cena's matches were good because of the style of match, the constant kick outs, and his opponents. Remove one component and instead of having a 5 star match (to a lot of people) he has a 3 star match.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:45:46 GMT -5
You are incorrect. It takes more than moves to have good matches. You cannot be carried to 4*+ matches. Great Khali did not carry Cena to a good match. Punk did not carry Cena to a 5* match. Cena can tell a Damn good story in the ring. He gets a reaction, he gets the crowd invested. False finishes add to it the way they add to every main event match, that's not exclusive to him. Cena is a great worker. Stop shoving your opinion down everyone's throat. Did you literally join the board just to respond to my comment? I'm not shoving my opinion down everyone's throats, I'm responding to people who dispute my opinion or call me stupid for having it. Btw, I never said it was just his opponents carrying him to a 4 star match. It's his opponents, the structure of the match and all of the false finishes. Great Khali didn't have a gold match with Cena. Great Khali can't have a good match with anyone. Why is he even being brought up? It's a matter of opinions and it seems like a lot of people get mad when you decide to come out and state one. Get over yourself, Bubba. You're arguing in two threads about how much Cena sucks and daring people to name five impressive moves he does. By the way: Attitude Adjustment. Springboard Stunner Swinging Facebuster he did last night Tornado DDT Yoshi Tonic/Code Red Do those moves always look great? Nah, but they're not botches either just because they're clunky. Cena is built like a brick house, so not everything he does is going to look crisp. I do see you going on and on and on about how you "can tell me what you didn't like about each of those matches." Whoopty friggin' doo bruh! Great Khali had a great match with John Cena, you just don't think so because it's Khali and Cena and you refuse to admit that Cena has ever done anything good. That makes you a smark. Nobody is mad that you have an opinion, it's that you won't let anyone else have theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:46:47 GMT -5
Remember that time when The Great Khali carried John to that great match they had? Yeah, man, that was all Khali, that Jabroni John Cena is so lucky that other people always make him look good. Great match? With Khali? Wait, what? The Great Khali carried John Cena Umaga carried John Cena Sabu carried John Cena Zack Ryder carried John Cena JBL carried John Cena Is your eyesight working correctly? I remember time and time again stating that Cena's matches were good because of the style of match, the constant kick outs, and his opponents. Remove one component and instead of having a 5 star match (to a lot of people) he has a 3 star match. You can literally say the second half of that about any match ever. Your arguments are invalid, good sir.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:47:05 GMT -5
Remember that time when The Great Khali carried John to that great match they had? Yeah, man, that was all Khali, that Jabroni John Cena is so lucky that other people always make him look good. Great match? With Khali? Wait, what? The Great Khali carried John Cena Umaga carried John Cena Sabu carried John Cena Zack Ryder carried John Cena JBL carried John Cena Is your eyesight working correctly? I remember time and time again stating that Cena's matches were good because of the style of match, the constant kick outs, and his opponents. Remove one component and instead of having a 5 star match (to a lot of people) he has a 3 star match. I'm honestly surprised the "Cena SUX LOL" fad is still going strong after all this time. I don't care if someone likes John or not, or finds his work stale. But calling him a bad wrestler, a bad worker or saying that all of his opponents carry him in every match he's ever had is complete and utter ignorance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 11:48:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure CrazyCanuck still thinks it's Spring 2006.
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