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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Feb 2, 2015 0:14:09 GMT -5
Tough Enough is a joke, Martin Casaus was the only one who deserved the contract in the last season Sting/Taker would not live up too the hype, both are way past their prime, Taker should have called it quits at 20-0 the decision to go pg and cater to kids was a mistake, it alienates the adult crowd storylines are short thanks to so many ppvs, and theres nothing interesting the fans are as much to blame for Chris Benoits actions as he was himself and on a more personal note, I blame the last year of my career up until August as the reason I dont watch anymore, becoming a wrestler slowly killed my being a fan Care to explain how the fans are to blame for Benoit's actions?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 0:18:33 GMT -5
I'm all for you not liking a guy, or thinking he sucks, but calling somebody "worthless" is a statement, and in this case of Foley, is completely wrong. Foley provided some of the best spots, feel good moments and gave everything he had to entertain the fans, which he did very well. Again, I get that you don't like him, that's fine, but calling him worthless is just an incorrect statement. Fine and that's your opinion. I'll change mine and say that Foley is extremely worthless. He's not even worthy of the Flair "glorified stuntman" label. As much as someone is gonna get upset and scream Foleys praises, I'm never going to change my opinion of him. He can take a beating, that's it. His promos are nonsensical, his matches are nothing without his silly abuse tolerance. He's a bigger mark for himself then Hogan would ever be. And Hogan deserves his praise. Just listen to Foley talk about himself. Sure all wrestlers do that, but Foley is guilty of it more. Wrestling would be just fine if Foley was never a part if it. "crashing" through a gimmicked cell doesn't impress me. And yes, it was gimmicked. You can see all the broken zip ties on the mat after he hit. So yeah. I don't care about Foley at all. Lol I think you missed my point, and your statement is still wrong. You don't care for or about him, fine, but he drew a lot of money and provided a LOT of people a ton of entertainment. Therefore, he wasn't worthless. That's a fact. You think he sucks, that's an opinion, saying somebody is worthless is a statement that can be proven false, and has by history in this particular case. Sorry that you're just not correct, but it is what it is.
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Post by The Hitman on Feb 2, 2015 0:31:24 GMT -5
Triple H > Shawn Michaels
- I just think HBK gets way too much credit.
John Cena should of ended the streak.
- He's the only man that would of appreciated it. I don't think it should have been broken, but if it was, it should of been Cena.
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Post by Weemanv1 on Feb 2, 2015 0:34:24 GMT -5
I guess the only one I really have is that Dolph Ziggler is reckless and seems likely to hurt someone or himself some day.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Feb 2, 2015 0:38:07 GMT -5
Fine and that's your opinion. I'll change mine and say that Foley is extremely worthless. He's not even worthy of the Flair "glorified stuntman" label. As much as someone is gonna get upset and scream Foleys praises, I'm never going to change my opinion of him. He can take a beating, that's it. His promos are nonsensical, his matches are nothing without his silly abuse tolerance. He's a bigger mark for himself then Hogan would ever be. And Hogan deserves his praise. Just listen to Foley talk about himself. Sure all wrestlers do that, but Foley is guilty of it more. Wrestling would be just fine if Foley was never a part if it. "crashing" through a gimmicked cell doesn't impress me. And yes, it was gimmicked. You can see all the broken zip ties on the mat after he hit. So yeah. I don't care about Foley at all. Lol I think you missed my point, and your statement is still wrong. You don't care for or about him, fine, but he drew a lot of money and provided a LOT of people a ton of entertainment. Therefore, he wasn't worthless. That's a fact. You think he sucks, that's an opinion, saying somebody is worthless is a statement that can be proven false, and has by history in this particular case. Sorry that you're just not correct, but it is what it is. You could just ask 'to whom is Foley worthless?' Foley is not worthless to WWE, or a lot of fans but If Foley has no value to him as a fan, then it is fair to call Foley worthless to him. Just a matter of whether it was written 'worthless to me' or not. 'Who is the one measuring worth?' is my point, then there can be no wrong answer, assuming he's not lying about Foley's worth to him.
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Post by k5 on Feb 2, 2015 0:43:41 GMT -5
I'm all for you not liking a guy, or thinking he sucks, but calling somebody "worthless" is a statement, and in this case of Foley, is completely wrong. Foley provided some of the best spots, feel good moments and gave everything he had to entertain the fans, which he did very well. Again, I get that you don't like him, that's fine, but calling him worthless is just an incorrect statement. Fine and that's your opinion. I'll change mine and say that Foley is extremely worthless. He's not even worthy of the Flair "glorified stuntman" label. As much as someone is gonna get upset and scream Foleys praises, I'm never going to change my opinion of him. He can take a beating, that's it. His promos are nonsensical, his matches are nothing without his silly abuse tolerance. He's a bigger mark for himself then Hogan would ever be. And Hogan deserves his praise. Just listen to Foley talk about himself. Sure all wrestlers do that, but Foley is guilty of it more. Wrestling would be just fine if Foley was never a part if it. "crashing" through a gimmicked cell doesn't impress me. And yes, it was gimmicked. You can see all the broken zip ties on the mat after he hit. So yeah. I don't care about Foley at all. Lol i'm totally for you thinking whatever you want about foley...but i gotta disagree with you on the cell being gimicked. firstly, taker and mankind step through it earlier and it's clearly overall just less structurally sound than the cell they used before. secondly, a chair falls on his face - ever notice how wrestlers manage to get microphones and other objects out of the way if they're planning a fall? and in the triple h/cactus cell, where it's clearly gimmicked, they go out of their way to make it a safe fall with the ring having a gimmicked spot. i don't know why they wouldn't have done that to begin with in 98... i guess you can believe what you want, but you're the first i've heard to question that.
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Post by The Assassin on Feb 2, 2015 0:48:22 GMT -5
WCW 1995-2001 was awesome since 2002 until now WWE (as in the product) has gradually turned into absolute garbage I absolutely detest WWE as a company, many of their business practices are very immoral, manipulative and bully-like in my honest opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 1:01:01 GMT -5
Roman Reigns isn't the worst thing to happen to professional wrestling. Brock Lesnar is the best big guy of all time, He can work such a wide array of styles. Dolph Ziggler has never had a good or memorable match. He's not very good on the microphone but he tries. CM Punk was never the best in the world in the ring, he was often quite sloppy, but he was on the microphone. Dean Ambrose isn't very special. He can do some little comedy segments but his serious stuff has never impressed me. Damien Sandow has never really impressed me, but his work at Mizdow is fun. Cody Rhodes will never be good enough to Main Event. He hasn't had a really good singles match before. Dolph Ziggler's selling is ridiculous often & I don't think he could Main Event. Hasn't had a good singles match before. John Cena can work with big men like no one else. KENTA & WWE don't go well together, but I'd be VERY glad to see it be otherwise. Randy Orton is one of the best in the WWE today. Dean Ambrose is better as a face than as a heel. NXT is overrated. I love the show generally but the way people hype now is way over the top.
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Post by rustyy on Feb 2, 2015 1:41:05 GMT -5
Shane Douglas could have been WWE champ if booked right CM Punk is the best pro wrestler since Stone Cold NEXUS could have been huge, like original NWO huge Sandow is the best talent currently employed Brock Lesnar should have never come back because everything besides the Punk match and Triple threat was trash. SES should have done more, and stayed the hell away from Big Slow Chael Sonnen would be a better commentator/general manager/manager than anyone on the roster Christian is one of the most underused/undervalued talents in history The Rock is overrated NXT is a breeding ground for undercarders barring Balor, and maybe Zayn/Owens Dean Ambrose would be better off being released and going back to the indies The WWE turned down a ton of money when releasing Shawn Ricker Daniel Bryan is not the best wrestler in WWE Foley has been really annoying over the last few years Jim Ross' opinion is not worth much, he says what people want to hear so they buy his product/listen to his podcasts. Never genuine. Benoit was the best professional wrestler that ever graced WWE Sting should have come in 2002, when he was relevant and actually meant something. Not 13 years late after he pissed away his legacy in a borderline indy promotion Chris Jericho is top 10 talkers in WWE/WCW history Rusev is good Sabu is the reason we have the style today Booker T should have done more We had one of these going on the Classocs board last year. Went 8-9 pages, I enjoyed it. Had to be locked due to name calling. Anyway, Kane>Undertaker Jericho is the greastest overall wrestler ever. Lesnar is overrated. The Bellas get a lot of undeserved hate. Reigns gets hated on because he didnt wrestle on thr indys.
Seth Rollins sounds like a robot when he talks. Paige is WAY overrated, skills wise and looks wise. The Ultimate Warrior might be the worst wrestler ever. Not really an opinion, plenty of wrestlers get love that never wrestled indies, he's hated because he's terrible. Alberto Del Rio is the most overrated wrestler of all time
The Bellas are overrated and annoying PG era isn't that bad X-Pac should be in the Hall of Fame I would love to see Roman Reigns beat Brock Lesnar clean at Wrestlemania 31 Big Show is one of my favorite wrestlers Goldberg, Batista, Jeff Hardy & Sheamus are all overrated & boring the 2002 WWF incarnation of the nwo is my favorite version of nwo the nwo in WCW should've stopped after adding member Syxx (Hogan, Outsiders, Giant, Dibiase & Syxx) ADR is one of the most hated people on the internet and the fans didn't care about him, unless you're talking about WWE overrating him, then yeah you're right. Jeff Jarrett, Shane Douglas, Lex Luger and Kevin Nash are the Nickelback of pro wrestling, how anyone doesn't turn off when they come on I don't know. I hate WCW and TNA and can't watch any match from either promotion. Cena is an MVP when his character is serious. Kurt Angle tainted his legacy by going to TNA. The Hardy Boyz were the weakest out of E&C and the Dudleyz. Part timers rule and are the reason to be excited for big pay per views. CM Punk has somewhat himself to blame for not being the top guy in WWE. Attitude Era pay per views sucked for the most part until 2000. Yokozuna is the best Japanese wrestler of all time. Cesaro has charisma. Kane has sucked since 2002. The workers should not be the top guys in a company, Bret and Shawn made exceptions to that rule and so should Daniel Bryan cause Reigns isn't a talker. Wrestling is all about drawing the most money and who ever draws the most is the best. That's not really an opinion, since he wasn't Japanese.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 1:41:58 GMT -5
I have hated Smackdown since about a year after the original brand split. The Lesnar Angle era couldn't even bring me to watch it. The production level, the entrance, the silver everywhere, the lighting, it was awful. Still is.
CM Punk is the worst thing to happen to wrestling. Ever.
John Cena is the second worst thing.
Jeff Hardy could've been the biggest star in years during his title chase.
HHH is the greatest of all time.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Feb 2, 2015 1:46:19 GMT -5
Rusev is one of the best big guys in the company yet. Rusev is like 6 feet tall, 300 pounds. That's not exactly a big guy. Benoit was 5 Foot 11, 220. Do we count him as a big guy? I'll post some of mine once I can actually remember them. EDIT: The only one I can think of is that the Attitude Era is quite possibly my least favorite era of wrestling. I don't usually like to use the word overrated but it is without question held in a ridiculously high regard among wrestling fans for reasons I can not fathom. I'll chalk it up to rose tinted glasses. But I go back and watch some of the stuff and I just can't imagine getting into wrestling now if the product was like that.
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"In my restless dreams. I see that town...."
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Post by Starscream on Feb 2, 2015 2:29:42 GMT -5
-I find Paige's voice beautiful. -I wish WWE could do more of the bunny type characters, just for fun. Something like Chikara or DDT usually do, but since wrestling must be for badasses that love "real serious" wrestling, Its just a dream. -Adam Cole's ROH title reign was lackbuster. -Oh And speaking of reigns...Bobby Roodes TNA title reign was far superior to CM Punk´s back when they both were the man in their respective companies. -I like Roman Reigns, he just needs to change his gear. -I dont like Daniel Bryan´s theme, he NEEDS The Final Countdown. -I like The Rock way more than Austin. -HHH is one of the greatest ever. -Ryback should be the one wrestling Rusev at Mania, not Cena. -Sin Cara didnt deserve all the mockery he got. He is a great worker, it was just bad timing and bad luck. -Ziggler is nothing special. -The Miz is awesome. -Dean Ambrose is getting bald. -I didnt buy CM Punk´s house. -Some people take wrestling WAY too seriously. I know its a passion, I know you pay your hard earned money to watch the shows or go to them, but its so shocking the amount of hatred and complaining I see here, I barely post. Some people here are really really cool, but others just try to be the alpha male, try to be "pro WWE logic wins lol", and those that hate the "evil and sadistic" WWE are no saints either. I know people are tired of the "If you dont like it, dont watch it" but you are just not doing yourself a favour by still watching and still complaining and still trying to be superior and still being miserable when your guy doesnt get what you think he deserves or when that storyline didnt go as you thought. I usually just stop watching when it doesnt entertain me, I take a break, and that happened to me many times, but I always comeback when something cool is happening, when you see they are really bringing their A game and when that happens I get a lot of fun. But thats just me. Its no use typing this because every damn fandom is and will always be like this, but I´ll do it anyway. At least it helps my english. ;D -I still want Sting vs Undertaker. -I actually think Reigns vs Lesnar can be a fun match.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Feb 2, 2015 2:50:40 GMT -5
I think Brie Bella is pretty good.
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Who survived and what was left of them?
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Post by Fave on Feb 2, 2015 3:27:55 GMT -5
Wrestling fans are overly opinionated. They also turn their back on mainstream wrestlers they once loved because they branched out and started watching indy wrestling, which in turn makes them feel superior. Wrestling fans are never satisfied. Most are twats. Ziggler is one of the best wrestlers/entertainers on the main roster right now. Seth Rollins should have a successful cash in soon. Harper is the only good wrestler to come out of the Wyatt family. The Usos are good but are pushed way more than they should be. Most people who make fun of wrestling secretely watch it. Pretty much every wrestler is 100% more interesting off camera. Wonder why that never transitions well to tv for those who have more freedom to say what they want. The Authority is one of the best parts of the current product. Kane and Big Show need to leave...10 years ago. Kane give or take maybe 5. Think of more later.
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Post by k5 on Feb 2, 2015 3:28:33 GMT -5
Rusev is one of the best big guys in the company yet. Rusev is like 6 feet tall, 300 pounds. That's not exactly a big guy. Benoit was 5 Foot 11, 220. Do we count him as a big guy? he's a 300 pound power lifter. he's a big guy.
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Post by BØRNS on Feb 2, 2015 3:32:55 GMT -5
apparently all of mine are unpopular based on how people talk around here...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 3:54:15 GMT -5
Flair is one of the worst workers and talkers ever. Jim Ross is not that great. Cena is the best thing going today. Daniel Bryan can't cut a promo to save his life. Even at 51 BIlly Gunn can outwrestle anyone on the current roster. The modern wrestling "style" WWE have adopted is terrible. Matches vaguely resemble what wrestling used to be. You barely see classic tried and true spots, or even basic moves anymore and it's a huge letdown. Batista is one of the greatest heels ever. New Midnight Express > Other Midnight Express. Johnny Ace was the best authority figure since Vince. Rollins is weaker on the mic, especially moreso than Reigns. Rusev is one of the worst things I've ever laid my eyes on. Cesaro looks like a giant scrotum. Shawn's Wrestlemania matches with the Undertaker are not the best matches ever, nor are they the best matches they've had, nor are they the best matches they've had with eachother. Vince misused some of his talent worse than WCW ever misused any of theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 5:05:33 GMT -5
I liked biker Taker Ziggler is good but there's better Dudleys bored me I had no issue with Eugene Bret is better than Flair Batista/Brock should have happened at WM this year Hart Foundation is the best faction Surfer Sting is better than Crow Sting The fact some fan's defend Benoit is pathetic Johnathan Coachman was great(not sure if that's unpopular) X Pac & Kane are one of my favorite teams
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Feb 2, 2015 5:23:37 GMT -5
I like WM XV
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 5:26:05 GMT -5
Modern-day independent wrestling is nowhere near as good as it used to be. Matches are no longer based on psychology, story-telling etc. and are now based on hitting spots just to pop the crowd. (See: Young Bucks) Bad News Barrett has reached his ceiling. I don't think he can go any further at this point. Nikki Bella is the best diva. Bray Wyatt's promos have been repetitive since Early 2014. Cesaro, albeit one of the best wrestling talents, won't ever reach the Main Event. Out of the current NXT roster, I can only see a few being actual stars. Ryback is charismatic & is improving as a worker. I'm just not a fan.
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