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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 8:31:28 GMT -5
CM Punk was never the best wrestler in the world. He was always good in the ring but he was never as smooth as guys like Randy Orton and he never had the moveset of guys like Daniel Bryan.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Apr 18, 2015 9:58:36 GMT -5
CM Punk was never the best wrestler in the world. He was always good in the ring but he was never as smooth as guys like Randy Orton and he never had the moveset of guys like Daniel Bryan. That's how I feel. A lot of people don't give Orton credit, because his matches are always so seamless.
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Post by johnnyb on Apr 18, 2015 16:38:45 GMT -5
CM Punk was never the best wrestler in the world. He was always good in the ring but he was never as smooth as guys like Randy Orton and he never had the moveset of guys like Daniel Bryan. That's how I feel. A lot of people don't give Orton credit, because his matches are always so seamless. To me Randy Orton is kind of like Tom Cruise. Over his career, he's been consistently great almost without exception, but things unrelated to his work (Cruise: Scientology, Oprah's couch; Orton: drug suspensions, general dickish attitude towards fans at times) have influenced people's attitudes towards them. I think Orton has been the best all-around performer on the roster over the past ten years.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Apr 18, 2015 16:59:00 GMT -5
That's how I feel. A lot of people don't give Orton credit, because his matches are always so seamless. To me Randy Orton is kind of like Tom Cruise. Over his career, he's been consistently great almost without exception, but things unrelated to his work (Cruise: Scientology, Oprah's couch; Orton: drug suspensions, general dickish attitude towards fans at times) have influenced people's attitudes towards them. I think Orton has been the best all-around performer on the roster over the past ten years. I can't put my finger on why, but for all of his career accomplishments, everything seems so hollow when it comes to Orton.
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Post by johnnyb on Apr 18, 2015 17:52:33 GMT -5
To me Randy Orton is kind of like Tom Cruise. Over his career, he's been consistently great almost without exception, but things unrelated to his work (Cruise: Scientology, Oprah's couch; Orton: drug suspensions, general dickish attitude towards fans at times) have influenced people's attitudes towards them. I think Orton has been the best all-around performer on the roster over the past ten years. I can't put my finger on why, but for all of his career accomplishments, everything seems so hollow when it comes to Orton. That's legit. I feel the same way about Cena. I can't stop thinking "wow this fake stuff is pretty ridiculous" during Cena segments, and the way that they keep putting him on a pedestal with the historical greats like Hogan, Austin & The Rock is nauseating. I totally get why people don't care for Orton... I just think he's a brilliant performers, warts and all.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Apr 18, 2015 22:32:22 GMT -5
I can't put my finger on why, but for all of his career accomplishments, everything seems so hollow when it comes to Orton. That's legit. I feel the same way about Cena. I can't stop thinking "wow this fake stuff is pretty ridiculous" during Cena segments, and the way that they keep putting him on a pedestal with the historical greats like Hogan, Austin & The Rock is nauseating. I totally get why people don't care for Orton... I just think he's a brilliant performers, warts and all. Some of it is over exposure. (On TV for stretches that last too long) Also, he's been booked so bland. Feuded with Cena a million times now. The Viper gimmick is great, but old. He needs new people to feud with and a change to his gimmick. Could you imagine the legend killer gimmick coming back to beat SCSA at WM32?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 11:39:41 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose's move where he bounces off the ropes is one of the dumbest/ most unrealistic moves today...
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Apr 20, 2015 11:41:46 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose's move where he bounces off the ropes is one of the dumbest/ most unrealistic moves today... You mean the Nigel? I love it!
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Post by johnnyb on Apr 21, 2015 18:36:20 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose's move where he bounces off the ropes is one of the dumbest/ most unrealistic moves today... It's sort of like Sting's "I get hit in the head and collapse in such a way that I headbutt my opponent in the groin" spot.... it's cool the first couple of times you see it, and it would be okay every now and then, but does it have to be in every goddamn match?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 19:17:11 GMT -5
Badass heel Sheamus is more entertaining than 90% of the roster.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 0:21:57 GMT -5
Cesaro should be in the main event spot. Fact Cesaro is a better heel than face. Fact Cesaro was better off in ROH. Fact Cesaro is the strongest man on the roster. Fact Cesaro should've kept the real American theme song. Fact Cesaro has charisma, WWE writers just suck. Fact
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 2:07:46 GMT -5
Cesaro should be in the main event spot. Fact Cesaro is a better heel than face. Fact Cesaro was better off in ROH. Fact Cesaro is the strongest man on the roster. Fact Cesaro should've kept the real American theme song. Fact Cesaro has charisma, WWE writers just suck. Fact He has practically no charisma. Yeah, he's strong, yeah, he's good in the ring, yeah, he deserves better than the mid-card, but he isn't charismatic at all. He needed Heyman if he was ever gonna be a main eventer. Fact.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 7:32:49 GMT -5
Cesaro should be in the main event spot. Fact Cesaro is a better heel than face. Fact Cesaro was better off in ROH. Fact Cesaro is the strongest man on the roster. Fact Cesaro should've kept the real American theme song. Fact Cesaro has charisma, WWE writers just suck. Fact He has practically no charisma. Yeah, he's strong, yeah, he's good in the ring, yeah, he deserves better than the mid-card, but he isn't charismatic at all. He needed Heyman if he was ever gonna be a main eventer. Fact. Seems like the only wrestling you've ever watched/watch is WWE. Cesaro has plenty of charisma, a great sense of humor and overall talented. Just because you haven't seen his charisma in the wwe ring, doesn't mean he doesn't have it. WWE is sucking a good career out of him.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Apr 22, 2015 7:45:41 GMT -5
He has practically no charisma. Yeah, he's strong, yeah, he's good in the ring, yeah, he deserves better than the mid-card, but he isn't charismatic at all. He needed Heyman if he was ever gonna be a main eventer. Fact. Seems like the only wrestling you've ever watched/watch is WWE. Cesaro has plenty of charisma, a great sense of humor and overall talented. Just because you haven't seen his charisma in the wwe ring, doesn't mean he doesn't have it. WWE is sucking a good career out of him. Old Spice watches a lot more than WWE. Fact. Cesaro only shows charisma when in a tag team. Fact. Even on the indies, he was always best in a tag team. Fact.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 7:58:18 GMT -5
Seems like the only wrestling you've ever watched/watch is WWE. Cesaro has plenty of charisma, a great sense of humor and overall talented. Just because you haven't seen his charisma in the wwe ring, doesn't mean he doesn't have it. WWE is sucking a good career out of him. Old Spice watches a lot more than WWE. Fact.Cesaro only shows charisma when in a tag team. Fact. Even on the indies, he was always best in a tag team. Fact. He claims to but I very highly doubt he actually does.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 8:04:49 GMT -5
He has practically no charisma. Yeah, he's strong, yeah, he's good in the ring, yeah, he deserves better than the mid-card, but he isn't charismatic at all. He needed Heyman if he was ever gonna be a main eventer. Fact. Seems like the only wrestling you've ever watched/watch is WWE. Cesaro has plenty of charisma, a great sense of humor and overall talented. Just because you haven't seen his charisma in the wwe ring, doesn't mean he doesn't have it. WWE is sucking a good career out of him. Believe me, I watch an incredibly diverse amount of wrestling, from WWE to ROH to TNA to AAA to Chikara to PWG to NJPW and I am more than familiar with Cesaro's work as Castagnoli. He worked at his best in KOW and BDK. Other than that he was just a really good wrestler. The guy has next to no charisma.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 8:04:53 GMT -5
Seems like the only wrestling you've ever watched/watch is WWE. Cesaro has plenty of charisma, a great sense of humor and overall talented. Just because you haven't seen his charisma in the wwe ring, doesn't mean he doesn't have it. WWE is sucking a good career out of him. Old Spice watches a lot more than WWE. Fact. Cesaro only shows charisma when in a tag team. Fact. Even on the indies, he was always best in a tag team. Fact. Idk old spice which is why i said seems. Fact Cesaro is booked terribly and not only him but wwe has dropped the ball with a lot of their talent these past years. They don't care anymore since they've won the big Monday night wars. So now they give us $h!t that the fans eat up, but that's another discussion. His U.S title run was genius, he could have a lot of heat trashing Americans. Yah it's old but it still works (Rusev). And I'd really hate to see cesaro get the billy gunn treatment (only tag superstar) because he can definitely carry himself. Fact!
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Apr 22, 2015 8:13:11 GMT -5
Old Spice watches a lot more than WWE. Fact.Cesaro only shows charisma when in a tag team. Fact. Even on the indies, he was always best in a tag team. Fact. He claims to but I very highly doubt he actually does. I believe he does.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 8:18:03 GMT -5
Seems like the only wrestling you've ever watched/watch is WWE. Cesaro has plenty of charisma, a great sense of humor and overall talented. Just because you haven't seen his charisma in the wwe ring, doesn't mean he doesn't have it. WWE is sucking a good career out of him. Believe me, I watch an incredibly diverse amount of wrestling, from WWE to ROH to TNA to AAA to Chikara to PWG to NJPW and I am more than familiar with Cesaro's work as Castagnoli. He worked at his best in KOW and BDK. Other than that he was just a really good wrestler. The guy has next to no charisma. I agree with KOW, definitely one of his best but charisma or no charisma he deserves to be in the singles run. If Goldberg & Brock can slide through the main event with no charisma or picking up a mic, then cesaro can too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 8:22:27 GMT -5
Believe me, I watch an incredibly diverse amount of wrestling, from WWE to ROH to TNA to AAA to Chikara to PWG to NJPW and I am more than familiar with Cesaro's work as Castagnoli. He worked at his best in KOW and BDK. Other than that he was just a really good wrestler. The guy has next to no charisma. I agree with KOW, definitely one of his best but charisma or no charisma he deserves to be in the singles run. If Goldberg & Brock can slide through the main event with no charisma or picking up a mic, then cesaro can too. Absolutely. I'm not denying that he is a tremendous wrestler and deserves to be in the main event, because he is and does.
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