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Post by Planktung on Feb 16, 2015 14:30:38 GMT -5
It really says something about the division when you have Brie Bella, who was the most heavily featured Diva of 2014, say that if she were in NXT, she wouldn't want to be called up.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 16, 2015 14:31:00 GMT -5
I don't see the comparison to "X-Pac heat". X-Pac heat was him getting booed purely for being X-Pac and everyone hated everything about him. Nikki did fine work in getting the crowd to dislike her when she made Brie her assistant. Plus, if they had X-Pac heat they would get booed no matter what, but they were pretty popular as faces in the summer. The Stephanie McMahon effect. They are nauseatingly awful on the mic and in the ring, and I think the boos agree with that. They were faces and pretty over since Total Divas premiered. Obviously Stephanie McMahon played a huge role in getting them more over, but I still disagree about them being awful. Agree to disagree.
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Post by johnnyb on Feb 16, 2015 14:31:35 GMT -5
Fair enough.
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Post by Self-Savior on Feb 16, 2015 14:32:41 GMT -5
Well to be honest, most Diva matches get like three reactions: 1) the crowd sits in complete silence 2) the crowd completely craps all over it 3) the crowd entertains themselves by starting chants like "CM Punk" "JBL" etc. I feel like that has a lot to do with the way the girls are booked. We aren't booked to care about them, so why should we? True. But a majority of the Diva matches that are thrown on TV revolve around Total Divas and most of the people that attend the shows more than likely don't give a crap about that show and don't really have any reason to care about the match.
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Post by Self-Savior on Feb 16, 2015 14:39:20 GMT -5
One of those frustrations with the diva's on the main roster is their not being given the chance to break down that invisible barrier. Their counterparts on NXT are being given that chance to break down the barrier the main roster women are trying to do. The Bella's are leaps and bounds better now than before. I can understand their frustration(s) with how little time they have. Three minutes isn't enough to get you invested in the match. Part of me wished some of the diva's from NXT don't get called up. The Four Way from Rival is one of the best women's matches the WWE has had under their umbrella. Same here & it applies to everyone in NXT too. Once called up to the main shows, you'll be showcased for a little while and then relegated to the background. Look at how both Emma & Adam Rose were handled last year.
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Post by J12 on Feb 16, 2015 15:10:49 GMT -5
I made this point in the NXT thread last week during Take Over, and it seems like the Bellas are essentially echoing it. Simply put, as a female, if your passion is wrestling, do you even want to be called up?
The Bellas take a lot of flack, and I used to be one that gave it to them, but I've actually grown to like them quite a bit. They seem like good people, particularly Brie, and they certainly have a passion for WWE. You can't ask for much more.
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Post by HHH316 on Feb 16, 2015 15:32:17 GMT -5
I look at this in 2 ways:
1: For Raw that goes 3 hours, there's no excuse for the divas to only have a 3 minute match per week. Take out a recap, or 4 of them, & give them a few extra minutes.
2: The Bellas are frustrated? Try being a fan & forced to sit through some of the divas in the ring. That's frustrating. The ones that can go, give them the time. The rest of them (which is most of them) keep the times where they are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 15:38:21 GMT -5
Been watching since the 80's. Women's wrestling has come a long way since the Attitude Era. Becky Lynch is my current favorite.
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Post by Daria on Feb 16, 2015 16:11:47 GMT -5
If Charlotte can go for that amount of time, then so can the Bella's.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 16:17:33 GMT -5
If Charlotte can go for that amount of time, then so can the Bella's. I agree.Charlotte is pretty much on the same level as the bellas.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 16, 2015 16:24:02 GMT -5
If Charlotte can go for that amount of time, then so can the Bella's. I agree.Charlotte is pretty much on the same level as the bellas. Now this I disagree with. I am not saying the Bellas are bad at all, but I think Charlotte is superior. Nothing against the Bellas and maybe it has to do with the time Charlotte is given, but she has shown me more than the Bellas have.
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Post by marino13 on Feb 16, 2015 16:40:01 GMT -5
Sure why not? If NXT has done anything it's proven that women can wrestle better than most men if given the chance. Give AJ vs Paige vs Nikki vs Brie a solid 20 minutes at WM and let's see what they can do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 16:49:29 GMT -5
Nobody really cares about the divas because were not given a reason to like them. They strip them of whatever personality they had when they get to the main roster. When Paige first showed up fresh outta NXT where she was amazing, the crowd was red hot for her and eventually it died down because she turned into just another diva, not getting to express things the way she did in NXT, so when people see the Divas they know it's just gonna be the same old sh*t.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 17:03:05 GMT -5
I agree.Charlotte is pretty much on the same level as the bellas. Now this I disagree with. I am not saying the Bellas are bad at all, but I think Charlotte is superior. Nothing against the Bellas and maybe it has to do with the time Charlotte is given, but she has shown me more than the Bellas have. I think the Bellas Mostly nikki is much better than Charlotte but that's your opinion. As far as the divas not getting enough time. I think a solid 7 minutes is good enough for a raw and sd show but maybe a 10 to 15 minute match at ppvs is fine.When you really think about it divas matches has always been short even during the trish and lita era. All these matches below were all good and yet it was short matches it really comes down to creativity on what you can do in these matches because you can tell a story from 3 to 7 minutes.
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Post by The neferious brotha Hargrove on Feb 16, 2015 17:55:36 GMT -5
I could care less about that crapty wwe diva division just have Paige and Nikki have a ass shaking contest for 3 hours that get peoples attention
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 16, 2015 17:57:16 GMT -5
I could care less about that crapty wwe diva division just have Paige and Nikki have a ass shaking contest for 3 hours that get peoples attention
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Feb 16, 2015 17:59:03 GMT -5
I will go on the record and state that the Bella brand is not a force to be reckoned with. The differences between NXT and RAW/SmackDown is night and day. The only way things can improve is only if Vince McMahon hands the keys to Triple H. Now Becky Lynch...I could say more but it would be NSFW. Neither of the Bellas are better than Charlotte. I'm not sure where anybody gets that from, and I don't care much for Charlotte. They're not bad by any means, but they're far from good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 17:59:59 GMT -5
Neither of the Bellas are better than Charlotte. I'm not sure where anybody gets that from, and I don't care much for Charlotte. They're not bad by any means, but they're far from good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 18:09:46 GMT -5
Neither of the Bellas are better than Charlotte. I'm not sure where anybody gets that from, and I don't care much for Charlotte. They're not bad by any means, but they're far from good. There's only 3 divas on the roster the Bella's are better than IMO: Eva Marie (terrible, but only been at it a couple years) Cameron (awful, just awful) Rosa Mendes (no words can describe how bad she is)
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Post by Midnight on Feb 16, 2015 18:09:47 GMT -5
For all of the people saying that a lengthy Bella Twins match would be dire to watch, Brie vs. Stephanie at SummerSlam Paige vs. AJ vs. Nikki at Night of Champions Brie vs. Nikki at Hell in a Cell Nikki vs. Paige on Main Event at the beginning of this year All very solid matches. I don't like The Bella Twins, but they have improved and to say otherwise is absurd. They're not bad. Exactly, no one gives any superstar or diva a chance because it's not popular to like them. Unlike 90% of people here I judge a talent by what they can do, and if they improve. I don't care who is popular and who isn't. The Bellas have had great matches as you said, yet people will like AJ more even though she has no personality and hasn't made a good match in a long time.
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