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Post by mrassbillygunn on Feb 24, 2015 13:45:33 GMT -5
God that show is terrible, how do you guys watch it? The acting is soooo over the top by some of the cast.
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Post by Billy the Kid on Feb 25, 2015 5:13:01 GMT -5
You can certainly tell a lot about a person who claims to be a Batman fan, watches this show, and doesn't read any of the comics. That is a rather ignorant comment, wouldn't you say? Why do I need to read the comics to be a fan?
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Post by Hitman Bono on Feb 25, 2015 6:12:09 GMT -5
You can certainly tell a lot about a person who claims to be a Batman fan, watches this show, and doesn't read any of the comics. That is a rather ignorant comment, wouldn't you say? Why do I need to read the comics to be a fan? Oh, no ignorance at all. Watching this particular show doesn't mean someone's a Batman fan. It means that instead of spending your time and money supporting DC and Scott Snyder, you spend it supporting a sub par product. I really feel bad for people that aren't reading the comic. I mean, if you're such a fan of Batman, why are you keeping yourself from experiencing great Batman stories? Scott Snyder's work the last 4-5 years stands as some of the greatest story telling in the history of the character, but instead of supporting him, you spend your time supporting Fish Mooney. It's like someone claiming to be a fan of fine wine, yet going out of their way to only drink Mad Dog 20/20. But then again it's not, because technically MD 20/20 is wine, and Goatham isn't a Batman show in any way shape or form. It differs from Arrow and Flash (which I do not watch) because Arrow and Flash are helping to get those characters out into the mainstream. Goatham just confuses people and puts out a minor league vibe for a major league character. So I guess to answer your question, "Why do I need to read the comics to be a fan?" is a simple one; Reading the comic means that you know the character. It means that you support the industry that gave birth to one of your favorite super heroes. It means that you only accept the best of what the character offers.
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Feb 25, 2015 14:37:39 GMT -5
Post by Weemanv1 on Feb 25, 2015 14:37:39 GMT -5
I'm not really a Batman fan, so I guess I'm good.
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Post by Word™ on Feb 25, 2015 14:47:35 GMT -5
That is a rather ignorant comment, wouldn't you say? Why do I need to read the comics to be a fan? Oh, no ignorance at all. Watching this particular show doesn't mean someone's a Batman fan. It means that instead of spending your time and money supporting DC and Scott Snyder, you spend it supporting a sub par product. I really feel bad for people that aren't reading the comic. I mean, if you're such a fan of Batman, why are you keeping yourself from experiencing great Batman stories? Scott Snyder's work the last 4-5 years stands as some of the greatest story telling in the history of the character, but instead of supporting him, you spend your time supporting Fish Mooney. It's like someone claiming to be a fan of fine wine, yet going out of their way to only drink Mad Dog 20/20. But then again it's not, because technically MD 20/20 is wine, and Goatham isn't a Batman show in any way shape or form. It differs from Arrow and Flash (which I do not watch) because Arrow and Flash are helping to get those characters out into the mainstream. Goatham just confuses people and puts out a minor league vibe for a major league character. So I guess to answer your question, "Why do I need to read the comics to be a fan?" is a simple one; Reading the comic means that you know the character. It means that you support the industry that gave birth to one of your favorite super heroes. It means that you only accept the best of what the character offers. Do you have any oxygen up there on your high horse?
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Feb 25, 2015 17:01:13 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 17:01:13 GMT -5
They need to kill off Fish Mooney immediately.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 25, 2015 18:38:39 GMT -5
Oh, no ignorance at all. Watching this particular show doesn't mean someone's a Batman fan. It means that instead of spending your time and money supporting DC and Scott Snyder, you spend it supporting a sub par product. I really feel bad for people that aren't reading the comic. I mean, if you're such a fan of Batman, why are you keeping yourself from experiencing great Batman stories? Scott Snyder's work the last 4-5 years stands as some of the greatest story telling in the history of the character, but instead of supporting him, you spend your time supporting Fish Mooney. It's like someone claiming to be a fan of fine wine, yet going out of their way to only drink Mad Dog 20/20. But then again it's not, because technically MD 20/20 is wine, and Goatham isn't a Batman show in any way shape or form. It differs from Arrow and Flash (which I do not watch) because Arrow and Flash are helping to get those characters out into the mainstream. Goatham just confuses people and puts out a minor league vibe for a major league character. So I guess to answer your question, "Why do I need to read the comics to be a fan?" is a simple one; Reading the comic means that you know the character. It means that you support the industry that gave birth to one of your favorite super heroes. It means that you only accept the best of what the character offers. Do you have any oxygen up there on your high horse? Im still trying to figure out at what point did I start spending money by watching Gotham? lol
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Feb 25, 2015 22:11:35 GMT -5
Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 25, 2015 22:11:35 GMT -5
That is a rather ignorant comment, wouldn't you say? Why do I need to read the comics to be a fan? Oh, no ignorance at all. Watching this particular show doesn't mean someone's a Batman fan. It means that instead of spending your time and money supporting DC and Scott Snyder, you spend it supporting a sub par product. I really feel bad for people that aren't reading the comic. I mean, if you're such a fan of Batman, why are you keeping yourself from experiencing great Batman stories? Scott Snyder's work the last 4-5 years stands as some of the greatest story telling in the history of the character, but instead of supporting him, you spend your time supporting Fish Mooney. It's like someone claiming to be a fan of fine wine, yet going out of their way to only drink Mad Dog 20/20. But then again it's not, because technically MD 20/20 is wine, and Goatham isn't a Batman show in any way shape or form. It differs from Arrow and Flash (which I do not watch) because Arrow and Flash are helping to get those characters out into the mainstream. Goatham just confuses people and puts out a minor league vibe for a major league character. So I guess to answer your question, "Why do I need to read the comics to be a fan?" is a simple one; Reading the comic means that you know the character. It means that you support the industry that gave birth to one of your favorite super heroes. It means that you only accept the best of what the character offers.
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Post by Billy the Kid on Feb 26, 2015 1:19:38 GMT -5
That is a rather ignorant comment, wouldn't you say? Why do I need to read the comics to be a fan? Oh, no ignorance at all. Watching this particular show doesn't mean someone's a Batman fan. It means that instead of spending your time and money supporting DC and Scott Snyder, you spend it supporting a sub par product. I really feel bad for people that aren't reading the comic. I mean, if you're such a fan of Batman, why are you keeping yourself from experiencing great Batman stories? Scott Snyder's work the last 4-5 years stands as some of the greatest story telling in the history of the character, but instead of supporting him, you spend your time supporting Fish Mooney. It's like someone claiming to be a fan of fine wine, yet going out of their way to only drink Mad Dog 20/20. But then again it's not, because technically MD 20/20 is wine, and Goatham isn't a Batman show in any way shape or form. It differs from Arrow and Flash (which I do not watch) because Arrow and Flash are helping to get those characters out into the mainstream. Goatham just confuses people and puts out a minor league vibe for a major league character. So I guess to answer your question, "Why do I need to read the comics to be a fan?" is a simple one; Reading the comic means that you know the character. It means that you support the industry that gave birth to one of your favorite super heroes. It means that you only accept the best of what the character offers. I think that's a load of bull. I do not need to be a comic book fan to be a fan of Batman in general. Comic books or graphic novels do not interest me. I love regular novels and stories based on comic book characters and the like but I cannot get into the graphic part, which is the main drive behind a comic book. I love the stories of Marvel and DC characters, I read their origins and history on Wikipedia. The show may be a sub par product to you but to others, it's great entertainment. Especially for someone who ISN'T a comic book reader, because I can sit and watch the show without over analyzing and complaining about every small detail that may or may not be "true to the comics." Apparently, Gotham doesn't confuse people because the ratings are good and people are still watching. People seem to forget that the Gotham TV show is a vehicle to show the origin of James Gordon, not Batman. I don't need to read the comics to know what is being told to me through the stories on the show. It doesn't affect you except for the fact that you're looking down on the people who watch the show and are trying to insult our intelligence because we aren't comic book fans and don't know the "true" story. DC obviously supports the show because they've given the studios full reign on introducing characters when and however it fits into their story arcs. If Gotham is successful, DC is successful. The only thing that ruins it is when people such as yourself get bent out of shape because casual fans are interested in a otherwise niche genre such as the comic book world without being comic book readers. We don't have to earn the right to be fans. And by the way, it's spelled GOTHAM. You misspelled it twice throughout your rant, which is rather funny considering you're apparently such a huge Batman fan.
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Post by Hitman Bono on Feb 26, 2015 1:40:32 GMT -5
Oh, no ignorance at all. Watching this particular show doesn't mean someone's a Batman fan. It means that instead of spending your time and money supporting DC and Scott Snyder, you spend it supporting a sub par product. I really feel bad for people that aren't reading the comic. I mean, if you're such a fan of Batman, why are you keeping yourself from experiencing great Batman stories? Scott Snyder's work the last 4-5 years stands as some of the greatest story telling in the history of the character, but instead of supporting him, you spend your time supporting Fish Mooney. It's like someone claiming to be a fan of fine wine, yet going out of their way to only drink Mad Dog 20/20. But then again it's not, because technically MD 20/20 is wine, and Goatham isn't a Batman show in any way shape or form. It differs from Arrow and Flash (which I do not watch) because Arrow and Flash are helping to get those characters out into the mainstream. Goatham just confuses people and puts out a minor league vibe for a major league character. So I guess to answer your question, "Why do I need to read the comics to be a fan?" is a simple one; Reading the comic means that you know the character. It means that you support the industry that gave birth to one of your favorite super heroes. It means that you only accept the best of what the character offers. I think that's a load of bull. I do not need to be a comic book fan to be a fan of Batman in general. Comic books or graphic novels do not interest me. I love regular novels and stories based on comic book characters and the like but I cannot get into the graphic part, which is the main drive behind a comic book. I love the stories of Marvel and DC characters, I read their origins and history on Wikipedia. The show may be a sub par product to you but to others, it's great entertainment. Especially for someone who ISN'T a comic book reader, because I can sit and watch the show without over analyzing and complaining about every small detail that may or may not be "true to the comics." Apparently, Gotham doesn't confuse people because the ratings are good and people are still watching. People seem to forget that the Gotham TV show is a vehicle to show the origin of James Gordon, not Batman. I don't need to read the comics to know what is being told to me through the stories on the show. It doesn't affect you except for the fact that you're looking down on the people who watch the show and are trying to insult our intelligence because we aren't comic book fans and don't know the "true" story. DC obviously supports the show because they've given the studios full reign on introducing characters when and however it fits into their story arcs. If Gotham is successful, DC is successful. The only thing that ruins it is when people such as yourself get bent out of shape because casual fans are interested in a otherwise niche genre such as the comic book world without being comic book readers. We don't have to earn the right to be fans. And by the way, it's spelled GOTHAM. You misspelled it twice throughout your rant, which is rather funny considering you're apparently such a huge Batman fan. You're right in a sense. Basically, it's like this... You can claim to be a pro wrestling fan still only watch Wrestlemania and be considered a fan. But isn't someone who watches week to week, supports indy feds, and goes out of their way to watch stuff from Japan a better pro wrestling fan? I don't get how that's a wrong statement. The fact that you settle for sub par storytelling (that's not debatable. The Batman comic over the last few years is light years above this show.) and I don't does make me a better fan. That's not a put down or anything, it's just the way it is. I don't talk sh*t to coffee connoisseurs because they go out of their way to drink different, better coffee than I do. I drink coffee yeah, but I don't go out of my way to experience the best coffee there is. So that means that the connoisseur knows more than I do and is a bigger, better fan of coffee.
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Post by Billy the Kid on Feb 26, 2015 2:29:06 GMT -5
I think that's a load of bull. I do not need to be a comic book fan to be a fan of Batman in general. Comic books or graphic novels do not interest me. I love regular novels and stories based on comic book characters and the like but I cannot get into the graphic part, which is the main drive behind a comic book. I love the stories of Marvel and DC characters, I read their origins and history on Wikipedia. The show may be a sub par product to you but to others, it's great entertainment. Especially for someone who ISN'T a comic book reader, because I can sit and watch the show without over analyzing and complaining about every small detail that may or may not be "true to the comics." Apparently, Gotham doesn't confuse people because the ratings are good and people are still watching. People seem to forget that the Gotham TV show is a vehicle to show the origin of James Gordon, not Batman. I don't need to read the comics to know what is being told to me through the stories on the show. It doesn't affect you except for the fact that you're looking down on the people who watch the show and are trying to insult our intelligence because we aren't comic book fans and don't know the "true" story. DC obviously supports the show because they've given the studios full reign on introducing characters when and however it fits into their story arcs. If Gotham is successful, DC is successful. The only thing that ruins it is when people such as yourself get bent out of shape because casual fans are interested in a otherwise niche genre such as the comic book world without being comic book readers. We don't have to earn the right to be fans. And by the way, it's spelled GOTHAM. You misspelled it twice throughout your rant, which is rather funny considering you're apparently such a huge Batman fan. You're right in a sense. Basically, it's like this... You can claim to be a pro wrestling fan still only watch Wrestlemania and be considered a fan. But isn't someone who watches week to week, supports indy feds, and goes out of their way to watch stuff from Japan a better pro wrestling fan? I don't get how that's a wrong statement. The fact that you settle for sub par storytelling (that's not debatable. The Batman comic over the last few years is light years above this show.) and I don't does make me a better fan. That's not a put down or anything, it's just the way it is. I don't talk sh*t to coffee connoisseurs because they go out of their way to drink different, better coffee than I do. I drink coffee yeah, but I don't go out of my way to experience the best coffee there is. So that means that the connoisseur knows more than I do and is a bigger, better fan of coffee. There is no such thing as a better fan, only bigger. There are casual fans and hardcore fans. And I am sure there is a middle ground somewhere. You are a comic book reader of Batman, I am not. Does this make you a better fan than me? No, it just makes you more interested in the subject to spend more time and money on it. I spend my time and money on other things. How is not debatable when it's two opposite opinions? To YOU, in YOUR opinion, it's sub par. But to me, I am entertained. Is it the greatest show I've ever watched? Absolutely not. But it's not the worst either. I'm not settling for anything, I am enjoying what I am watching. Just because you view something one way doesn't make it fact when there are people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum. I'm not doubting the fact that a connoisseur knows more or is a bigger fan, but you're sitting behind your computer telling people they aren't fans because they don't engulf their life into something. That is what makes you and your responses ignorant. I am finished with this conversation because it's evident that you will not respect other's opinions if you disagree with them. I get the fact that you are a comic book reader and think the show is sub par, that's fine. I do not agree, simply put.
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Post by Hitman Bono on Feb 26, 2015 2:41:26 GMT -5
See, there is such a thing as a better fan. A better fan understand more. A better fan is more emotionally involved with the character.
I spend 14 minutes once a month reading the Batman book. You spend 40 minutes a week... So obviously you're not the one spending your time on other things.
You have no compass to compare the storytelling on Gotham to. You're only viewpoint when it comes to Batman are movies. I do. Therefore I am more prepared to compare one iteration of Batman to another.
How can you respect my opinion if you haven't read any of Scott Snyder's work? I'm confused here... Because I have seen episodes of Gotham and have read many Batman stories. How can you claim that my response is ignorant when you are the one who's ignorant to Batman outside of a few movies and a tv show? Do you not understand what I'm trying to say or something?
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Post by Billy the Kid on Feb 26, 2015 4:10:48 GMT -5
See, there is such a thing as a better fan. A better fan understand more. A better fan is more emotionally involved with the character. I spend 14 minutes once a month reading the Batman book. You spend 40 minutes a week... So obviously you're not the one spending your time on other things. You have no compass to compare the storytelling on Gotham to. You're only viewpoint when it comes to Batman are movies. I do. Therefore I am more prepared to compare one iteration of Batman to another. How can you respect my opinion if you haven't read any of Scott Snyder's work? I'm confused here... Because I have seen episodes of Gotham and have read many Batman stories. How can you claim that my response is ignorant when you are the one who's ignorant to Batman outside of a few movies and a tv show? Do you not understand what I'm trying to say or something? Because I respect the fact that you think reading the comics makes you a better fan, but I do not agree with it. As well as respecting your opinion that the show storytelling is sub par. Respecting one's opinion and agreeing with it are the not the same thing. Sure, I spend 40 minutes a week watching a show that I enjoy, it's time well spent for me. I am not comparing Gotham to anything, which is where you're ignorance rears its head. Why should I have to compare it to anything to have the opinion that it's enjoyable? And what annoys me is that you say that I enjoy Gotham and "put up" with sub par stories and you're better because you do not. Like I am an idiot for not reading the comic book to "enlighten" myself and become a better fan, when in reality, I am entertained by what I am watching. As I stated previously, I do not need to earn the right to be a fan. You're comparing it to comic book stories that you've read. Did I deny the fact that the stories probably are better than the show? I may be ignorant to Batman outside of the movies and show, but that's my choice to be entertained by what I am watching. If I wasn't, I wouldn't continue to watch it. And as I stated, comic books/graphic novels do not interest me. I have tried numerous times to read them, all different kinds but it wasn't something that I enjoyed. You are entertained by the comic books but not the show. That's what I am trying to say... it's all a matter of perspective. I don't have to compare what I am watching to anything to have the opinion that it's enjoyable and not sub par. You have your opinion and I have mine... what I don't get is why you're attacking me for not agreeing with you. I never said you were wrong, I just don't agree with your opinion.
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Feb 26, 2015 10:39:20 GMT -5
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Post by The Champ is Here! on Feb 26, 2015 10:39:20 GMT -5
I read all of the batman comics being made right now
And i love gotham...its telling backstories, why not just view it as a differenr world? Dc has/had the multiverse, so view it as that
Im over fish mooney
In some stories, the leader of the red hood gang is the Joker
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Feb 26, 2015 22:16:30 GMT -5
Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 26, 2015 22:16:30 GMT -5
See, there is such a thing as a better fan. A better fan understand more. A better fan is more emotionally involved with the character. I spend 14 minutes once a month reading the Batman book. You spend 40 minutes a week... So obviously you're not the one spending your time on other things. You have no compass to compare the storytelling on Gotham to. You're only viewpoint when it comes to Batman are movies. I do. Therefore I am more prepared to compare one iteration of Batman to another. How can you respect my opinion if you haven't read any of Scott Snyder's work? I'm confused here... Because I have seen episodes of Gotham and have read many Batman stories. How can you claim that my response is ignorant when you are the one who's ignorant to Batman outside of a few movies and a tv show? Do you not understand what I'm trying to say or something? You may be the definition of a "Douchey Fan" no offense. You're spewing nothing but ignorance and it really comes across that way. I'd definitely respect your opinion more if you weren't being so high and mighty because you only read the comic books. Take it down a notch buddy.
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Post by Hitman Bono on Feb 26, 2015 23:31:20 GMT -5
See, there is such a thing as a better fan. A better fan understand more. A better fan is more emotionally involved with the character. I spend 14 minutes once a month reading the Batman book. You spend 40 minutes a week... So obviously you're not the one spending your time on other things. You have no compass to compare the storytelling on Gotham to. You're only viewpoint when it comes to Batman are movies. I do. Therefore I am more prepared to compare one iteration of Batman to another. How can you respect my opinion if you haven't read any of Scott Snyder's work? I'm confused here... Because I have seen episodes of Gotham and have read many Batman stories. How can you claim that my response is ignorant when you are the one who's ignorant to Batman outside of a few movies and a tv show? Do you not understand what I'm trying to say or something? You may be the definition of a "Douchey Fan" no offense. You're spewing nothing but ignorance and it really comes across that way. I'd definitely respect your opinion more if you weren't being so high and mighty because you only read the comic books. Take it down a notch buddy. Uh... I've seen numerous episodes. How the hell would I be able to say that the show is an over acted, horribly written show if I hadn't seen an episode? I also don't understand how pointing out that the ongoing comic features far better story telling as being high and mighty? It's funny to me that everyone who has disagreed with me obviously doesn't read the comic. Instead of throwing out constructive counter points, it's all been name calling... lol
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Feb 26, 2015 23:42:50 GMT -5
Post by Nivro™ on Feb 26, 2015 23:42:50 GMT -5
Well this thread quickly just went all to hell.
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Post by Billy the Kid on Feb 27, 2015 0:43:06 GMT -5
You may be the definition of a "Douchey Fan" no offense. You're spewing nothing but ignorance and it really comes across that way. I'd definitely respect your opinion more if you weren't being so high and mighty because you only read the comic books. Take it down a notch buddy. Uh... I've seen numerous episodes. How the hell would I be able to say that the show is an over acted, horribly written show if I hadn't seen an episode? I also don't understand how pointing out that the ongoing comic features far better story telling as being high and mighty? It's funny to me that everyone who has disagreed with me obviously doesn't read the comic. Instead of throwing out constructive counter points, it's all been name calling... lol There's been no name calling, some people just don't agree with you but you can't handle that. It's a matter of opinion.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 27, 2015 1:54:52 GMT -5
Well this thread quickly just went all to hell. I wouldn't have made it had I known I had to read the new comics to be a true fan. I guess that makes sense?
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Post by Hitman Bono on Feb 27, 2015 2:15:01 GMT -5
Well this thread quickly just went all to hell. I wouldn't have made it had I known I had to read the new comics to be a true fan. I guess that makes sense? There's years and years of superior stories. I really don't understand what the big deal is in regards to people getting upset that there's hundreds of better Batman stories out there... If someone only watches "Total Divas" and never watches tv or ppvs, are they really a wrestling fan? How would you feel if someone like that tried to claim that they were a wrestling fan because they only watch Total Divas? Does that make sense?
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