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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 23:43:06 GMT -5
Remember when the wrestler made the title as opposed to the other way around? When I was a kid the IC title was like the cool title to have. Savage, IMO, made that belt. Bryan and Cena for sure could do that with the IC and US straps. Yes! To me the IC title was always for your workhorses (Savage/Steamboat/Perfect/Hart), while the world title was for the money makers. Bryan falls into that workhorse category, so that is why I'm okay with this for now. Especially if this is the beginning of returning that belt to that level. Bryan could do it. The IC title also meant you had the potential to maybe wrestle for the World Title. Michaels, Hart, Savage, Rock, Austin, HHH, etx. Lately it's been used to try and get new guys over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 0:02:22 GMT -5
Meh.
Bryan should have won the Royal Rumble.
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Post by Jaz on Mar 3, 2015 0:03:34 GMT -5
I don't think we're ever going to see Vince wrestle again, and that's probably a good thing.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Mar 3, 2015 0:07:33 GMT -5
Could Vince work again? I know he's supposedly a gym rat, but he's just gotten pretty old. Also, Bryan needs a Rollins or Ziggler to help his WM moment match reach its full potential.
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Post by Joey Cush on Mar 3, 2015 0:55:52 GMT -5
For people arguing about the Ladder Match would be MOTN, Im not doubting that it will be. But so would Sheamus/Bryan. That match could steal the show because both guys are phenomenal in the ring but nobody wants to see that because its beneath Bryan. As is the Intercontinental Championship.
I'm sure technical wrestling, Bryan/Vince wouldnt be good. But given the stipulation and being a Street Fight, it could offer run ins and great moments to keep you on the edge of your seat.
If Bryan wins the IC title, then what? Will he bring value back to the title? Maybe, but that would mean Bryan is out of the Main Event and Vince basically won. Thats what the Yes Movement was all about in the first place. I for one am not okay with Bryan stealing the show, because we ALL know he can. He deserves to be a main player, not shoved to the side for Roman Reigns.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 2:54:26 GMT -5
For people arguing about the Ladder Match would be MOTN, Im not doubting that it will be. But so would Sheamus/Bryan. That match could steal the show because both guys are phenomenal in the ring but nobody wants to see that because its beneath Bryan. As is the Intercontinental Championship. I'm sure technical wrestling, Bryan/Vince wouldnt be good. But given the stipulation and being a Street Fight, it could offer run ins and great moments to keep you on the edge of your seat. If Bryan wins the IC title, then what? Will he bring value back to the title? Maybe, but that would mean Bryan is out of the Main Event and Vince basically won. Thats what the Yes Movement was all about in the first place. I for one am not okay with Bryan stealing the show, because we ALL know he can. He deserves to be a main player, not shoved to the side for Roman Reigns. The only thing people like you would not bitch about, would be Bryan in the main event, which is not happening. If Bryan vs Vince happened like you said, every single person on this forum would bitch about it too. He's not in the main event. Instead, he's in what should be a great ladder match. Get off the ing idea of him doing anything else. It's not worth speculating.
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Post by Joey Cush on Mar 3, 2015 4:41:15 GMT -5
For people arguing about the Ladder Match would be MOTN, Im not doubting that it will be. But so would Sheamus/Bryan. That match could steal the show because both guys are phenomenal in the ring but nobody wants to see that because its beneath Bryan. As is the Intercontinental Championship. I'm sure technical wrestling, Bryan/Vince wouldnt be good. But given the stipulation and being a Street Fight, it could offer run ins and great moments to keep you on the edge of your seat. If Bryan wins the IC title, then what? Will he bring value back to the title? Maybe, but that would mean Bryan is out of the Main Event and Vince basically won. Thats what the Yes Movement was all about in the first place. I for one am not okay with Bryan stealing the show, because we ALL know he can. He deserves to be a main player, not shoved to the side for Roman Reigns. The only thing people like you would not bitch about, would be Bryan in the main event, which is not happening. If Bryan vs Vince happened like you said, every single person on this forum would bitch about it too. He's not in the main event. Instead, he's in what should be a great ladder match. Get off the ing idea of him doing anything else. It's not worth speculating. I'm not speculating jack sh*t. All Im saying is if this happened, I can bet fans would love it. The reason Bryan didnt win the Rumble and on to main event Mania is because of Vince, he calls the shots. Everybody knows this, there is no more kayfabe. So if Bryan went against Vince, in an actual meaningful match, instead of just being thrown into a random IC title match (Which again, should be a great match) people would dig it. Im not saying it could or will happen. All Im saying is that is a route they could have went if they didnt want Bryan in the main event when he damn well should have been. Bryan, when active, has been the superstar everybody cared about. Now hes in the 5th ranked important match IMO, under Reigns/Lesnar, Sting/HHH, Undertaker/Wyatt, Cena/Rusev. My point is simple, Bryan should be in a more important match. Thhats all, dont get all upset for nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 4:43:57 GMT -5
Fans would HATE it. It serves zero purpose. It adds nothing to his character, it's not a chance for a good match, it'd just terrible. Bryan already beat the in shape COO. What does he gain from beating Vince? Nothing.
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Post by Joey Cush on Mar 3, 2015 4:55:38 GMT -5
Fans would HATE it. It serves zero purpose. It adds nothing to his character, it's not a chance for a good match, it'd just terrible. Bryan already beat the in shape COO. What does he gain from beating Vince? Nothing. It alters his character. Did you not read what I even wrote before arguing with me about it? Its a never would happen scenario that makes a ton of sense to me. What did Austin gain from beating up Vince years ago? I dont understand how you can take what I wrote and say it serves no purpose to Bryan. And anything to do with Vince getting his ass whooped, whether hes 70 years old or 100, the fans would like it. Because nobody in the audience reacted when Brock did it... Just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 4:58:02 GMT -5
Fans would HATE it. It serves zero purpose. It adds nothing to his character, it's not a chance for a good match, it'd just terrible. Bryan already beat the in shape COO. What does he gain from beating Vince? Nothing. It alters his character. Did you not read what I even wrote before arguing with me about it? Its a never would happen scenario that makes a ton of sense to me. What did Austin gain from beating up Vince years ago? I dont understand how you can take what I wrote and say it serves no purpose to Bryan. And anything to do with Vince getting his ass whooped, whether hes 70 years old or 100, the fans would like it. Because nobody in the audience reacted when Brock did it... Just saying. Not arguing. Debating. Difference. I read what you said. It makes no sense. Why? HHH is the authority now, not Vince. Bryan has already beaten HHH. He gains nothing but a crappy match by beating Vince
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Post by Joey Cush on Mar 3, 2015 5:04:57 GMT -5
It alters his character. Did you not read what I even wrote before arguing with me about it? Its a never would happen scenario that makes a ton of sense to me. What did Austin gain from beating up Vince years ago? I dont understand how you can take what I wrote and say it serves no purpose to Bryan. And anything to do with Vince getting his ass whooped, whether hes 70 years old or 100, the fans would like it. Because nobody in the audience reacted when Brock did it... Just saying. Not arguing. Debating. Difference. I read what you said. It makes no sense. Why? HHH is the authority now, not Vince. Bryan has already beaten HHH. He gains nothing but a crappy match by beating Vince Yes HHH is the Authority. But if Vince came back for some reason, everybody knows he's the guy in charge. On TV, Triple H and Stephanie run the show but like I said, everybody knows Vince is the one making the decisions. It'd be breaking the fourth wall in a sense, making it seem real. Which if anybody knows anything about wrestling, the realer it looks the better. And Bryan would gain nothing... but his WWE Championship rematch which he still hasnt received. The match wouldnt need to be a classic. A street fight where Bryan beats Vince's ass, with multiple run ins from authority figures is more than enough to get crowd into it. It's just my interpretation of a better scenario for Bryan as opposed to being thrown into an IC title feud he has no reason being involved in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 5:06:06 GMT -5
Not arguing. Debating. Difference. I read what you said. It makes no sense. Why? HHH is the authority now, not Vince. Bryan has already beaten HHH. He gains nothing but a crappy match by beating Vince Yes HHH is the Authority. But if Vince came back for some reason, everybody knows he's the guy in charge. On TV, Triple H and Stephanie run the show but like I said, everybody knows Vince is the one making the decisions. It'd be breaking the fourth wall in a sense, making it seem real. Which if anybody knows anything about wrestling, the realer it looks the better. And Bryan would gain nothing... but his WWE Championship rematch which he still hasnt received. The match wouldnt need to be a classic. A street fight where Bryan beats Vince's ass, with multiple run ins from authority figures is more than enough to get crowd into it. It's just my interpretation of a better scenario for Bryan as opposed to being thrown into an IC title feud he has no reason being involved in. Except they explained Bryan not getting his rematch. So...there goes that theory.
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Post by Joey Cush on Mar 3, 2015 5:09:34 GMT -5
Yes HHH is the Authority. But if Vince came back for some reason, everybody knows he's the guy in charge. On TV, Triple H and Stephanie run the show but like I said, everybody knows Vince is the one making the decisions. It'd be breaking the fourth wall in a sense, making it seem real. Which if anybody knows anything about wrestling, the realer it looks the better. And Bryan would gain nothing... but his WWE Championship rematch which he still hasnt received. The match wouldnt need to be a classic. A street fight where Bryan beats Vince's ass, with multiple run ins from authority figures is more than enough to get crowd into it. It's just my interpretation of a better scenario for Bryan as opposed to being thrown into an IC title feud he has no reason being involved in. Except they explained Bryan not getting his rematch. So...there goes that theory. You are trying to disprove something I already pinpointed in my OP. I explained how he would get a chance at a title match. This is a made up scenario, things can be said and done to change what has been already done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 5:10:21 GMT -5
Except they explained Bryan not getting his rematch. So...there goes that theory. You are trying to disprove something I already pinpointed in my OP. I explained how he would get a chance at a title match. This is a made up scenario, things can be said and done to change what has been already done. And none if it makes sense or would be better than the match he seemingly has. So it's all moot.
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Post by Joey Cush on Mar 3, 2015 5:17:47 GMT -5
You are trying to disprove something I already pinpointed in my OP. I explained how he would get a chance at a title match. This is a made up scenario, things can be said and done to change what has been already done. And none if it makes sense or would be better than the match he seemingly has. So it's all moot. Its not always about the best 'wrestling' match at Mania, look at Hogan/Rock. Bryan deserves a feud the fans can look at as all about Bryan and ____. Bryan is in a match that could potentially steal the show, yes. But before everybody goes on about Bryan bringing back prestige to the IC title, what if he doesnt win the title? Then what? Great match, Bryan still loses and now hes back in the shuffle in mid card? Im sorry, I'd rather an important match where he can do something meaningful. And by meaningful, I mean get back into the WWE title picture.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 5:20:39 GMT -5
And none if it makes sense or would be better than the match he seemingly has. So it's all moot. Its not always about the best 'wrestling' match at Mania, look at Hogan/Rock. Bryan deserves a feud the fans can look at as all about Bryan and ____. Bryan is in a match that could potentially steal the show, yes. But before everybody goes on about Bryan bringing back prestige to the IC title, what if he doesnt win the title? Then what? Great match, Bryan still loses and now hes back in the shuffle in mid card? Im sorry, I'd rather an important match where he can do something meaningful. And by meaningful, I mean get back into the WWE title picture. He doesn't have to be I'm the title picture to have a meaningful feud. Nobody seems to get that. Bryan should not be champion until either A) Rollins wins the belt or B) 2016. He should not be challenging for the belt until A or B. Insert Rusev or Lesnar into the A slot too.
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Post by Joey Cush on Mar 3, 2015 5:26:19 GMT -5
Its not always about the best 'wrestling' match at Mania, look at Hogan/Rock. Bryan deserves a feud the fans can look at as all about Bryan and ____. Bryan is in a match that could potentially steal the show, yes. But before everybody goes on about Bryan bringing back prestige to the IC title, what if he doesnt win the title? Then what? Great match, Bryan still loses and now hes back in the shuffle in mid card? Im sorry, I'd rather an important match where he can do something meaningful. And by meaningful, I mean get back into the WWE title picture. He doesn't have to be I'm the title picture to have a meaningful feud. Nobody seems to get that. Bryan should not be champion until either A) Rollins wins the belt or B) 2016. He should not be challenging for the belt until A or B. Insert Rusev or Lesnar into the A slot too. I understand that but Bryan still isnt in a meaningful feud. This IC Title Ladder match is a great match but it just screams 'We have nothing for our most over Talent so go ahead and kill yourself in this Ladder match'. Thats all. Its just all about how terribly used Bryan has been since returning from his injury. Nothing had made sense and it continued to not make sense, then here we are, Bryan is in the Mid card title match. Basically for, like you enjoy saying, makes ZERO sense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 5:29:33 GMT -5
He doesn't have to be I'm the title picture to have a meaningful feud. Nobody seems to get that. Bryan should not be champion until either A) Rollins wins the belt or B) 2016. He should not be challenging for the belt until A or B. Insert Rusev or Lesnar into the A slot too. I understand that but Bryan still isnt in a meaningful feud. This IC Title Ladder match is a great match but it just screams 'We have nothing for our most over Talent so go ahead and kill yourself in this Ladder match'. Thats all. Its just all about how terribly used Bryan has been since returning from his injury. Nothing had made sense and it continued to not make sense, then here we are, Bryan is in the Mid card title match. Basically for, like you enjoy saying, makes ZERO sense. Or to bring some credibility to the match that wasn't there. Is the match itself meaningless? Sure. A feud with Vince, no matter what you suggest, would 100x worse from every angle. Maybe instead of focusing on angles he could do for wrestlemania, wait till the match happens and see what he can do after it? Cena is in a mid card match too. Cena and Bryan just wrestling for those belts adds credibility that wasn't there a month ago.
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Post by Joey Cush on Mar 3, 2015 5:36:21 GMT -5
I understand that but Bryan still isnt in a meaningful feud. This IC Title Ladder match is a great match but it just screams 'We have nothing for our most over Talent so go ahead and kill yourself in this Ladder match'. Thats all. Its just all about how terribly used Bryan has been since returning from his injury. Nothing had made sense and it continued to not make sense, then here we are, Bryan is in the Mid card title match. Basically for, like you enjoy saying, makes ZERO sense. Or to bring some credibility to the match that wasn't there. Is the match itself meaningless? Sure. A feud with Vince, no matter what you suggest, would 100x worse from every angle. Maybe instead of focusing on angles he could do for wrestlemania, wait till the match happens and see what he can do after it? Cena is in a mid card match too. Cena and Bryan just wrestling for those belts adds credibility that wasn't there a month ago. Cena is in a feud. Bryan is in a match. Bryan was legit thrown into this scramble of a match. And I apologize for sharing an idea that will not and would not happen, I'll make sure to never do it again.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Mar 3, 2015 6:01:34 GMT -5
I like the idea of a more aggressive Bryan, but this just seems like a bad idea.
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