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Post by drifter on Mar 18, 2015 13:38:33 GMT -5
In my opinion the Attitude era officially began at WM 13 when the crown started cheering Austin instead of Bret during their match. the fans were the ones that had a change of ATTITUDE towards wwe/wwf programming and it stayed that way for the next 4 years or so. Well remember though, crowds were starting to turn towards Austin, before that Mania match, especially after he delivered the Austin 3:16 speech at the King of the Ring.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Mar 18, 2015 13:55:43 GMT -5
Let me dissect this for everybody here: for me....right around WrestleMania 13. - you had audible cursing happening on purpose for the first ( "Frustrated isn't the goddamned word for it! This is bullsh^t!!!") This is what caused the WWE to institute the seven second delay on live programming. You can thank this being the period when fans were becoming increasingly "smarter" because they had access to the dirty sheets. Bret Hart risked his career because of the WWF's no blood policy they had. Go listen/witch the Submission match which Steve Austin provided his commentary on his podcast. To the non-ECW fans, violent matches were already common in 1997. Thank Paul Heyman and ECW for this. The WWF was beginning to mirror what ECW was already doing. The conversion of RAW to RAW Is WAR was to change their "low budget" production to doing RAW from smaller venues to bigger venues. Comparing how edgy 1998-1999 was, 1997 was tame by comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 14:01:25 GMT -5
Feb-March 1997 in my opinion.
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 18, 2015 15:17:36 GMT -5
1997.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 18, 2015 19:25:32 GMT -5
Let me dissect this for everybody here: for me....right around WrestleMania 13. - you had audible cursing happening on purpose for the first ( "Frustrated isn't the goddamned word for it! This is bullsh^t!!!") This is what caused the WWE to institute the seven second delay on live programming. You can thank this being the period when fans were becoming increasingly "smarter" because they had access to the dirty sheets. Bret Hart risked his career because of the WWF's no blood policy they had. Go listen/witch the Submission match which Steve Austin provided his commentary on his podcast. To the non-ECW fans, violent matches were already common in 1997. Thank Paul Heyman and ECW for this. The WWF was beginning to mirror what ECW was already doing. The conversion of RAW to RAW Is WAR was to change their "low budget" production to doing RAW from smaller venues to bigger venues. Comparing how edgy 1998-1999 was, 1997 was tame by comparison. sooooo....you're saying you don't agree with almost everything I said?
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Post by Halloween King on Mar 18, 2015 19:29:19 GMT -5
The sparks for the attitude era were brought into the wwf by Steve Austin. But The era itself began the Raw after the 1997 Survivor Series. Vince screwed Bret and after that Vince was seen as an A hole boss. It gave Steve Austin the perfect antagonist to feud with and rebel against.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Mar 18, 2015 20:15:36 GMT -5
mikey1974, I am just merely stating facts. Something people are failing to point out.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Mar 18, 2015 20:44:44 GMT -5
It was rolled out slowly as some have pointed out. Diesel, Ramon, Goldust, Mankind, Vader were involved in the early parts, hell so was Warrior. Diesel was a the first real tweener champion wasn't he? There were plenty of signs of it in 96, then we get a really great 97 which is how I wished it had stayed, 98 is full blown, 99 reaches over saturation of the idea to me. Godfather and Too Cool, Right To Censor. Papa Shango for life, you hear me?
Then Kurt Angle saved everything, because that's what heroes do. He out crazied and wrestled everyone in short order. Seriously Kurt Angle was glorious, I'd put him in a feud with any classic WWF guy and it works perfectly. Kurt Angle died for your bad taste.
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Post by BROKEN on Mar 18, 2015 20:46:38 GMT -5
1997
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Mar 19, 2015 0:44:16 GMT -5
It was rolled out slowly as some have pointed out. Diesel, Ramon, Goldust, Mankind, Vader were involved in the early parts, hell so was Warrior. Diesel was a the first real tweener champion wasn't he? There were plenty of signs of it in 96, then we get a really great 97 which is how I wished it had stayed, 98 is full blown, 99 reaches over saturation of the idea to me. Godfather and Too Cool, Right To Censor. Papa Shango for life, you hear me? Then Kurt Angle saved everything, because that's what heroes do. He out crazied and wrestled everyone in short order. Seriously Kurt Angle was glorious, I'd put him in a feud with any classic WWF guy and it works perfectly. Kurt Angle died for your bad taste. I definitely agree with your opinion of 98 and 99. 98 was brilliant at the top of the card and IC title pictures but everything else was pretty dull. 99 and 2000 was just a little too over the top. Dont get me wrong Austin, Rock, Taker, Kane, HHH, Jericho, Angle, Foley, Benoit, etc. were all great but everything else was a jumbled mess.
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Post by WalterF on Apr 2, 2015 4:20:35 GMT -5
This is one of those things where everyone has their own interpretation of when it started for me it was when Bret Hart flips out, swears and shoves Vince McMahon down just before, Wrestlemania 13. I agree. I remember being a kid and when Bret flipped I couldn't believe it
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Apr 3, 2015 7:15:47 GMT -5
I would say mid 96.
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Post by LA Times on Apr 3, 2015 16:15:37 GMT -5
Seeds were planted in 1997
Stone Cold ushered it in at Wrestlemania XIV
It ended at Wrestlemania X7 when Stone Cold turned heel and The Rock stopped being a fulltime wrestler
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Apr 3, 2015 20:12:54 GMT -5
Seeds were planted in 1997 Stone Cold ushered it in at Wrestlemania XIV It ended at Wrestlemania X7 when Stone Cold turned heel and The Rock stopped being a fulltime wrestler Even towards the tail end of 1996, you can see the WWF was steering towards a more adult oriented product. WrestleMania XIV will usually be regarded as when the Attitude Era really began. Once the torch was passed to Steve Austin, it was all hands on deck from there. When we saw Austin shake Mr. McMahon's hand at WrestleMania X-Seven, it signified an and of an era.
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Post by Double J JoshuaJohn on Apr 7, 2015 19:33:29 GMT -5
The first pay per view event to show the WWF ATTITUDE LOGO was Mayhem in Manchester (a uk exclusive ppv) took place exactly a week after wrestlemania xiv And funny enough it's not on the network
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Post by mikey1974 on Apr 8, 2015 5:38:43 GMT -5
Seeds were planted in 1997 Stone Cold ushered it in at Wrestlemania XIV It ended at Wrestlemania X7 when Stone Cold turned heel and The Rock stopped being a fulltime wrestler Even towards the tail end of 1996, you can see the WWF was steering towards a more adult oriented product. WrestleMania XIV will usually be regarded as when the Attitude Era really began. Once the torch was passed to Steve Austin, it was all hands on deck from there. When we saw Austin shake Mr. McMahon's hand at WrestleMania X-Seven, it signified an and of an era. I remember talking to my one friend that in the fall of 1996, Austin was using words like "Damn" and "Ass" ,that were really never used by anyone in the WWF, or at least on WWF programming. I kinda had a feeling that something might be going on. of course,these were the first little, baby, tiny steps on the road to the Attitude Era, but nonetheless they were there. another step, I think a big one, a lot of people overlook is Shotgun Saturday Night. when it debuted, it was branded and advertised as basically a "late night" WWF show, with it's bar and club locations, divas wearing risque clothing, more wild and hardcore-ish matches, and Terry Funk openly calling Vince McMahon a "Bastard" and " Son of a bitch", which DEFINITELY were not allowed on WWF programming up to that point.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Apr 8, 2015 15:04:01 GMT -5
Even towards the tail end of 1996, you can see the WWF was steering towards a more adult oriented product. WrestleMania XIV will usually be regarded as when the Attitude Era really began. Once the torch was passed to Steve Austin, it was all hands on deck from there. When we saw Austin shake Mr. McMahon's hand at WrestleMania X-Seven, it signified an and of an era. I remember talking to my one friend that in the fall of 1996, Austin was using words like "Damn" and "Ass" ,that were really never used by anyone in the WWF, or at least on WWF programming. I kinda had a feeling that something might be going on. of course,these were the first little, baby, tiny steps on the road to the Attitude Era, but nonetheless they were there. another step, I think a big one, a lot of people overlook is Shotgun Saturday Night. when it debuted, it was branded and advertised as basically a "late night" WWF show, with it's bar and club locations, divas wearing risque clothing, more wild and hardcore-ish matches, and Terry Funk openly calling Vince McMahon a "Bastard" and " Son of a bitch", which DEFINITELY were not allowed on WWF programming up to that point. I started to really see that shift the WWF was headed in a different direction in September of 1996. With the advent of Livewire, it caused the proverbial curtain to be peeled back. When the Pillman's Got A Gun segment aired, it really got USA Network pissed off the WWF would do such angle. The WWF didn't really care because it was the direction was shifting from displaying cartoon characters to real life personas. The WWF needed to stay competitive in order to keep the company afloat. I do agree, Shotgun Saturday Night often does get overlooked. It was groundbreaking for its time. Now @bashcrashwiley, I am looking at you now. Like you and so many others, there is just something that makes us want to appreciate years such as 1996 and 1997 with reverence. It is telling I know people outside of here that would have no recollection of the Attitude Era. I am glad I was around, sitting in my home in New York City, watching MTV and professional wrestling, and soaking up the culture at the time. You almost never get the chance to fully appreciate it till it is gone.
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Post by mikey1974 on Apr 8, 2015 15:32:51 GMT -5
I remember talking to my one friend that in the fall of 1996, Austin was using words like "Damn" and "Ass" ,that were really never used by anyone in the WWF, or at least on WWF programming. I kinda had a feeling that something might be going on. of course,these were the first little, baby, tiny steps on the road to the Attitude Era, but nonetheless they were there. another step, I think a big one, a lot of people overlook is Shotgun Saturday Night. when it debuted, it was branded and advertised as basically a "late night" WWF show, with it's bar and club locations, divas wearing risque clothing, more wild and hardcore-ish matches, and Terry Funk openly calling Vince McMahon a "Bastard" and " Son of a bitch", which DEFINITELY were not allowed on WWF programming up to that point. I started to really see that shift the WWF was headed in a different direction in September of 1996. With the advent of Livewire, it caused the proverbial curtain to be peeled back. When the Pillman's Got A Gun segment aired, it really got USA Network pissed off the WWF would do such angle. The WWF didn't really care because it was the direction was shifting from displaying cartoon characters to real life personas. The WWF needed to stay competitive in order to keep the company afloat. I do agree, Shotgun Saturday Night often does get overlooked. It was groundbreaking for its time. Now @bashcrashwiley, I am looking at you now. Like you and so many others, there is just something that makes us want to appreciate years such as 1996 and 1997 with reverence. It is telling I know people outside of here that would have no recollection of the Attitude Era. I am glad I was around, sitting in my home in New York City, watching MTV and professional wrestling, and soaking up the culture at the time. You almost never get the chance to fully appreciate it till it is gone. 96 - 98 was such a special time in wrestling, I was heavily into the WWF during this time,and the baby steps taken in 96 blossomed into a truly great,yet overlooked 97, and then fully bloomed into a record-breaking 98.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Apr 8, 2015 17:01:51 GMT -5
I started to really see that shift the WWF was headed in a different direction in September of 1996. With the advent of Livewire, it caused the proverbial curtain to be peeled back. When the Pillman's Got A Gun segment aired, it really got USA Network pissed off the WWF would do such angle. The WWF didn't really care because it was the direction was shifting from displaying cartoon characters to real life personas. The WWF needed to stay competitive in order to keep the company afloat. I do agree, Shotgun Saturday Night often does get overlooked. It was groundbreaking for its time. Now @bashcrashwiley, I am looking at you now. Like you and so many others, there is just something that makes us want to appreciate years such as 1996 and 1997 with reverence. It is telling I know people outside of here that would have no recollection of the Attitude Era. I am glad I was around, sitting in my home in New York City, watching MTV and professional wrestling, and soaking up the culture at the time. You almost never get the chance to fully appreciate it till it is gone. 96 - 98 was such a special time in wrestling, I was heavily into the WWF during this time,and the baby steps taken in 96 blossomed into a truly great,yet overlooked 97, and then fully bloomed into a record-breaking 98. You are correct about how the WWF transitioned from the New Generation Era and into the Attitude Era. I remember those years fondly. It is a shame that boom periods have a very short shelf life. I'd say the USA vs. Canada storyline in 1997 was executed perfectly. A lot of guys in 1997 really upped their game in 1997. One in particular that stands out is Bret Hart. While Bret wasn't known for cutting good promos but the promos he cut in 1995 and 1997 was night and day. Sinking his teeth into acting in Lonesome Dove really helped Bret a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 4:55:15 GMT -5
I have always said that Bret's time on Lonesome Dove helped him out hugely.....
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