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Post by Mox on Apr 2, 2015 22:43:15 GMT -5
I read about half of this. It's pretty long. He sounds bitter, tbh. Maybe I missed the big finish, but it seems to be about the great things he did for his "friend" Connor and how WWE abused Warrior's wishes. Whatever, I guess. He just burned a bridge to tell a story very few are going to care to listen to. Wow, you sound like the bitter one. And really cold. I read the entire thing. Connor seemed to be a really cool kid and Justin Roberts seems like a nice guy. He's bummed that the WWE took a person he cared about and made him into a marketing campaign. I'm glad he wrote this and am glad I read it. I wish the WWE didn't also feel the need to pat itself on the back for it's good deeds. It's kind of pathetic. Goddamnit, Cizzle. I like you, but step back. I teared up when Crusher went in too. And it's Roberts that seems to be patting himself pretty hard here. |
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Post by BCizzle on Apr 2, 2015 23:00:44 GMT -5
Goddamnit, Cizzle. I like you but step back. I teared up when Crusher went in too. Roberts seems to be patting himself pretty hard here. I hear you. I just thought you were a little harsh. There is a saying about there being no true altruism. Justin wants to pat himself on the back, the WWE want to pat themselves on the back. I don't know who deserves the props. Connor seemed like a really smart, fun guy, so I'm glad we got to know him a little bit in that video, whoever we should thank for it. (It also isn't what the Warrior wanted the award to be, and it would be cool to have the WWE honor one of their long-time employees, but that doesn't seem to be Vince's M.O. You can get more good press by honoring a sick kid than the lady who makes sandwiches, no matter how damn many loaves of bread she has been through.) |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 2, 2015 23:04:44 GMT -5
Justin Roberts is a stand up dude. I read his blog word for word. It sounded heartfelt and heartbreaking at the same time. WWE helped Connor and his family, but at the same time exploited them. Is that bad? Nah....its business. Its a strong key marketing strategy. Spin is apart of it and always will be. In that regards, I do not blame WWE and would do the exact same thing. But rewriting and eliminating the significant role that Roberts played really was unnecessary.
Roberts is extremely talented and his dismissal made little to no sense to me. Why they would keep Lillian Garcia over Justin Roberts, when Garcia has already demonstrated that WWE is not a top priority for herself, was beyond me.
In addition, Mark Yeaton deserved A LOT better than what he got. I truly enjoyed Justin speaking out against what happened to Mark. Mark has always been a very nice guy to me. He was a loyal and hard working employee, who was shown the door over "budget cuts".
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Post by theMOESIAH on Apr 3, 2015 7:34:49 GMT -5
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Post by jakksking1 on Apr 3, 2015 9:27:49 GMT -5
Of course it's PR. It's a publicly traded company, almost everything they do is for PR purposes, from hyping up the 600 make a wishes Cena did last week to Tribute to the Troops. So they do outstanding work? Of course they do, but they also broadcast that outstanding work out to the media as often as possible. There's nothing wrong with that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 9:37:07 GMT -5
Did not read. Is there a cliff's notes version?
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Post by J12 on Apr 3, 2015 11:57:46 GMT -5
I like Justin Roberts quite a bit, and I completely understand his frustration here. It's justified, being that he was so close to it. There was very little reason for WWE not to ever mention him, especially when he was employed. It's not as if he's a backstage guy that no one would recognize. He was the voice in the arena for many years, people knew who he was.
I also agree with his belief that the company's involvement with Connor was for little more than PR. But, with that being said, is that such a horrible thing? Did WWE behave in a way that would have differed from any other major, publicly-traded company engaged in a similar situation? The company, and it's employees, very clearly changed this boy's life and likely were a contributing factor in his living as long as he did. He's gone now, and to him, it meant the world. So, does it matter why they did it? To me, it's just more important that they did it.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 3, 2015 12:02:46 GMT -5
Hopefully Justin's story goes viral. WWE did twist Warrior's words around after watching the ceremony again. Justin isn't bitter. He's just telling the truth. Justin seems like a lovable guy who does no harm. I said the same exact thing that Monday night on here when it was announced that Connor was getting that Warrior Award. I stated how Warrior never intended it to be about that, and every day people, but those who work in the WWE behind the scenes. All I got on here was backlash saying "shut up" and that "Warrior would have wanted it this way" and such. When in all actuality, Warrior never cared about sick kids. Bret Hart talks about it in his autobiography. WWE will do anything for good publicity, and the timing of that award going to Connor somehow fits into the same timing that social media was picking up on Bill DeMott and his situation within the WWE. Crazy how that all happened at the same time.... or not. |
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Post by Last Trent Barreta Fan on Apr 3, 2015 12:53:43 GMT -5
When in all actuality, Warrior never cared about sick kids. Bret Hart talks about it in his autobiography.  |
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Post by Darkhawk on Apr 3, 2015 13:25:51 GMT -5
I knew something was up with the whole Connor thing as I never bought into the whole story. At least I know the truth now.
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Post by Himmy! on Apr 3, 2015 13:46:51 GMT -5
Can totally understand where he's coming from... But it was always going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 13:49:02 GMT -5
I feel bad for him he seems so nice, didn't Helms say in a interview JBL & Chris Benoit had a grudge against him I think it was him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 14:05:46 GMT -5
I feel bad for him he seems so nice, didn't Helms say in a interview JBL & Chris Benoit had a grudge against him I think it was him. I remember it was him or Tod Grisham that asked them not to make him throw t-shirts out to the crowd cause he throws like a girl. It got back to JBL and Benoit and they were hunting him down and banging on his hotel room door to harass him.....killed him family and a backstage bully....gotta love that Benoit. |
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Post by MikeMillenium on Apr 3, 2015 14:29:31 GMT -5
Justin said it himself... He kept it a secret from the company what he was doing for Connor. How would they possibly know it was him? From the WWE's eyes they saw Connor and wanted to honor him in what a way they felt was right, from their perspective. It isn't their fault Connor's story captivated them at a different point in history than it did with Justin.
People are also taking issue with the fact that WWE only raised $200k for Connor's Cure and said they should play a commercial every TV show for donations to Connor's Cure. Yet that wouldn't be more in-your-face philanthropic marketing? With some thing you can never win, and that seems to be the WWE's case 100% of the time.
Besides the point, it seems like Justin did everything he possibly could for Connor to be seen within the WWE, but didn't enjoy when it spread too far. Yet, at the end of the day, what happened was Connor got to meet all of his heroes and is in the damn Hall of Fame. I'm sure we should celebrate that Connor must be incredibly happy, not Justin.
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Post by Kyle - legendkilla2k9 on Apr 3, 2015 17:38:20 GMT -5
Justin has an incredibly big heart and he made Connor's dreams a reality.
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Post by jeffro2000 on Apr 3, 2015 20:39:26 GMT -5
Like a few others have stated, I don't see a big issue really. I understand it from Justin's point of view because of him being that close to the situation and being so important to the story.
Did it turn into a PR campaign? Yeah, but they aren't the only companies/organizations that do this. Not uncommon for a company (Say Nfl) to honor someone and start a charity in that person's honor. WWE may have played more videos and exploited it a bit, but the family seemed fine with it.
It made WWE look good, and their stars, but MORE importantly it gave Connor some great memories, made his life a bit better, raised awareness to pediatric brain cancer, and is raising money to research it in his name. That's pretty special.
Certainly, the whole Warrior award was twisted a bit, but Dana was okay with it apparently. Maybe next yr they give it to a long time employee. I think they were genuine in wanting to honor Connor, but sure they knew it was going to make them look good too. In the end, it was all for a good cause IMO.
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Post by rustyy on Apr 3, 2015 22:04:48 GMT -5
WWE using people for publicity/personal gain? No, that can't be, don't be silly.
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Post by PJ on Apr 4, 2015 0:36:33 GMT -5
I see no problem with what the wwe did. Yes, the HOF award isn't what Warrior had requested it to be in his speach, but his family were obviously OK with it or they wouldn't have been there. And Connor's family were probably happy with it because out of their lose there's now a foundation in his name. And I'm sure a lot more coverage of it which will hopefully generate more of an awareness that they might find a cure what took him from them so no other family has to go through it. So to me that's a good thing.
From what I've heard and seen of him I like Roberts, but I honestly feel there was really no reason for that blog. Other than it making him sound like his feelings were hurt for not getting the recognition he felt he deserved. Did he deserve some? Sure he did, but there was no reason to make that blog. Nothing was gained by it. And by his own admission he did alot without the WWE knowing. Communication is a two way street.
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Post by k5 on Apr 4, 2015 9:51:13 GMT -5
the wwe is a stock-operated corporate company - NOTHING they do is 100% sincere. everything is about image and keeping or growing that image, and anything else is outside the mentality of those businesses.
that's why they film make-a-wishes in the first place, to exploit it.
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Post by k5 on Apr 4, 2015 10:01:51 GMT -5
I feel bad for him he seems so nice, didn't Helms say in a interview JBL & Chris Benoit had a grudge against him I think it was him. nova (simon dean) discusses it in detail in his shoot interview from a few years back. apparently justin roberts couldn't throw t-shirts far enough into the crowd. benoit would knock mercilessly on his hotel door throughout the night. i forget all that jbl did but there was some big situation involving roberts/jbl at a iraq show. they stole his passport, generally bullied the crap outta him. |
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