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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Apr 4, 2015 19:48:12 GMT -5
There are some bizarre things involving the case that don't necessarily add up that I don't think we will ever know. I also think Benoit 100% did it, but there are certainly some inconsistencies that will make the case live on.
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Post by marino13 on Apr 4, 2015 21:55:56 GMT -5
I'd like to meet one person who thinks Benoit did not kill his family and himself, who ISN'T a wrestling fan. He was my favorite wrestler for a decade, but I'm not delusional. I haven't seen one shred of reliable evidence that he did not do this. There are a lot of rumors and misinformation out there that conspiracy nuts on YouTube cling to. SO far this discussion is surprisingly civil, so I'll allow it to continue for now. That's just it. I was a Benoit guy since his initial wCw run. I loved the guy like he was family. But he did it. I know it. And I can't look at him anymore. Can't watch his matches. Can't stand to see him at all. I don't blame steroids. I don't blame concussions. I blame him. |
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Post by Hulk Who? on Apr 5, 2015 2:06:14 GMT -5
I have always wanted to know who that young guy was too. And yea Regal not wanting to comment on anything but the wrestling skill stood out like crazy to me.
I think Benoit did it, what would matter is if he knew what he was doing, and we'll learn a lot more about brain damage as time goes on. Besides the weird wiki entry, the part that doesn't add up to me has always been how does Benoit wrestle so well and continue traveling across the country and generally work for the WWE with the brain of an old man with Alzheimer's? Sounds contradictory, but I don't know much about the brain or brain damage, maybe different parts of the brain were damaged and those faculties still worked, no idea. There's probably no silver bullet it's a mixture of things, I know I was concerned for him because of all the deaths and shocked he was still wrestling, I'm sure that factored in along with other stuff, maybe some of which we're blind to. I think he did it, I'm not excusing it, it's just not much use condemning or blaming now, he condemned himself worse than I ever could. I'd just rather know exactly what happened. I don't think he was fine and jumped up and did all that suddenly. The whole things is really a nightmarish punishment in itself that most of us wouldn't wish on our worst enemy.
I was really surprised and happy WWE didn't ban his moves. I think it was HBK who though it was important, and although it was a bit shocking to see at first, I agreed with it, because doing those moves does not make you do what Benoit did, they aren't like gateway moves to that, that's ridiculous. The flying head butt causing brain damage always seemed far fetched to me. Everyone was upset and shocked, wasn't Harley Race telling everyone not to do the head butt afterwards or apologizing for ever doing it in the first place? That made me so sad because it showed how upset he was and desperate to try to do anything in his power to prevent something like that from happening again. Desperate for an explanation even if it involved him trying to shoulder some of the blame via blaming himself for making the head butt famous. So I like seeing Bryan do it as a message that Benoit is not who they are, and those moves shouldn't be associated with what he did. Same for triple germans and the crossface.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Apr 5, 2015 8:26:50 GMT -5
I just never will understand why he would ever had hurt Daniel. My assumption was it was Benoit thinking he'd have everyone he cared about with him in the next plane. Eddie, Nancy, Daniel... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 8:36:05 GMT -5
There is a book (im sure there are more) out and the people who lived next to them said they saw Chris and Daniel having a cookout Saturday afternoon and said they asked about Nancy. His response was she was sick and upstairs sleeping. I have that book. Very interesting, bbut the whole thing still doesn't add up. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 8:39:32 GMT -5
By the way, here is the video of Regal.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 5, 2015 10:06:31 GMT -5
I have always wanted to know who that young guy was too. And yea Regal not wanting to comment on anything but the wrestling skill stood out like crazy to me. I think Benoit did it, what would matter is if he knew what he was doing, and we'll learn a lot more about brain damage as time goes on. Besides the weird wiki entry, the part that doesn't add up to me has always been how does Benoit wrestle so well and continue traveling across the country and generally work for the WWE with the brain of an old man with Alzheimer's? Sounds contradictory, but I don't know much about the brain or brain damage, maybe different parts of the brain were damaged and those faculties still worked, no idea. There's probably no silver bullet it's a mixture of things, I know I was concerned for him because of all the deaths and shocked he was still wrestling, I'm sure that factored in along with other stuff, maybe some of which we're blind to. I think he did it, I'm not excusing it, it's just not much use condemning or blaming now, he condemned himself worse than I ever could. I'd just rather know exactly what happened. I don't think he was fine and jumped up and did all that suddenly. The whole things is really a nightmarish punishment in itself that most of us wouldn't wish on our worst enemy. I was really surprised and happy WWE didn't ban his moves. I think it was HBK who though it was important, and although it was a bit shocking to see at first, I agreed with it, because doing those moves does not make you do what Benoit did, they aren't like gateway moves to that, that's ridiculous. The flying head butt causing brain damage always seemed far fetched to me. Everyone was upset and shocked, wasn't Harley Race telling everyone not to do the head butt afterwards or apologizing for ever doing it in the first place? That made me so sad because it showed how upset he was and desperate to try to do anything in his power to prevent something like that from happening again. Desperate for an explanation even if it involved him trying to shoulder some of the blame via blaming himself for making the head butt famous. So I like seeing Bryan do it as a message that Benoit is not who they are, and those moves shouldn't be associated with what he did. Same for triple germans and the crossface. Nowitski confirmed that years of doing the flying headbutt was a big factor in his brain issues. It wasn't doing it once, twice, or a hundred times, but doing it 300 times a year for about 20 years did factor into it. Each time he did it his brain would bounce back and fourth inside his brain which is technically a concussion. Nowitski said it equates to about 3 minutes all together of benoits brain bouncing back and fourth in his head. |
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Post by Hulk Who? on Apr 5, 2015 15:45:00 GMT -5
I have always wanted to know who that young guy was too. And yea Regal not wanting to comment on anything but the wrestling skill stood out like crazy to me. I think Benoit did it, what would matter is if he knew what he was doing, and we'll learn a lot more about brain damage as time goes on. Besides the weird wiki entry, the part that doesn't add up to me has always been how does Benoit wrestle so well and continue traveling across the country and generally work for the WWE with the brain of an old man with Alzheimer's? Sounds contradictory, but I don't know much about the brain or brain damage, maybe different parts of the brain were damaged and those faculties still worked, no idea. There's probably no silver bullet it's a mixture of things, I know I was concerned for him because of all the deaths and shocked he was still wrestling, I'm sure that factored in along with other stuff, maybe some of which we're blind to. I think he did it, I'm not excusing it, it's just not much use condemning or blaming now, he condemned himself worse than I ever could. I'd just rather know exactly what happened. I don't think he was fine and jumped up and did all that suddenly. The whole things is really a nightmarish punishment in itself that most of us wouldn't wish on our worst enemy. I was really surprised and happy WWE didn't ban his moves. I think it was HBK who though it was important, and although it was a bit shocking to see at first, I agreed with it, because doing those moves does not make you do what Benoit did, they aren't like gateway moves to that, that's ridiculous. The flying head butt causing brain damage always seemed far fetched to me. Everyone was upset and shocked, wasn't Harley Race telling everyone not to do the head butt afterwards or apologizing for ever doing it in the first place? That made me so sad because it showed how upset he was and desperate to try to do anything in his power to prevent something like that from happening again. Desperate for an explanation even if it involved him trying to shoulder some of the blame via blaming himself for making the head butt famous. So I like seeing Bryan do it as a message that Benoit is not who they are, and those moves shouldn't be associated with what he did. Same for triple germans and the crossface. Nowitski confirmed that years of doing the flying headbutt was a big factor in his brain issues. It wasn't doing it once, twice, or a hundred times, but doing it 300 times a year for about 20 years did factor into it. Each time he did it his brain would bounce back and fourth inside his brain which is technically a concussion. Nowitski said it equates to about 3 minutes all together of benoits brain bouncing back and fourth in his head. Fair enough I guess, but I would think many flying moves would have similar results, it's not as if the flying head butt has to involve smashing your head into your opponent every time, it's supposed to be fake! Having Chris Nowinski taking center stage in all the concussion research always came across as bizarre to me. Having an ex wrestler being the one explaining concussions and brain damage rather than some unknown doctor who is just an expert in the field, seemed like just another part of the whole surreal story. I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's talking about though. Anyways I'm done, don't want to be the one who get's the thread locked. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 5, 2015 15:50:23 GMT -5
Nowitski confirmed that years of doing the flying headbutt was a big factor in his brain issues. It wasn't doing it once, twice, or a hundred times, but doing it 300 times a year for about 20 years did factor into it. Each time he did it his brain would bounce back and fourth inside his brain which is technically a concussion. Nowitski said it equates to about 3 minutes all together of benoits brain bouncing back and fourth in his head. Fair enough I guess, but I would think many flying moves would have similar results, it's not as if the flying head butt has to involve smashing your head into your opponent every time, it's supposed to be fake! Having Chris Nowinski taking center stage in all the concussion research always came across as bizarre to me. Having an ex wrestler being the one explaining concussions and brain damage rather than some unknown doctor who is just an expert in the field, seemed like just another part of the whole surreal story. I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's talking about though. Anyways I'm done, don't want to be the one who get's the thread locked. It's more of a coincidence than anything. nowitski opened his own research group that has nothing to do with the wwe. Many outlets like ESPN use his group for research. |
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Post by Markw on Apr 5, 2015 16:02:09 GMT -5
I just never will understand why he would ever had hurt Daniel. Or indeed Nancy. I think people who think Regal's tribute is evidence that he knew what Benoit had done during the show are reading a bit too much into it. It was obviously suspicious before we knew about anything other than the deaths, and I think everyone will have known there was a possibility, he probably just didn't want to rave too much about Benoit the human being before the facts were known. |
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Post by famdamuxwl on Apr 5, 2015 16:06:08 GMT -5
I honestly believe that if Chris Benoit hadn't become a Pro Wrestler he would still be alive today. Brain Damage caused him to flip out. Just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 16:06:38 GMT -5
I don't think there was doubt in anybody's mind that something had gone very, VERY wrong in that house over that weekend. Then as details became apparent, the realisation of what he'd done really hit home for everybody. I remember seeing a report on BBC News or Sky News saying that police thought it was a home invasion at first.
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Post by Colter on Apr 5, 2015 16:10:08 GMT -5
rellik is killer spelled backwards
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 16:24:00 GMT -5
rellik is killer spelled backwards Rellik was in TNA, where he tagged with Black Reign, who is really Dustin Rhodes, who plays Goldust in WWE, but was also in WCW with Chris Benoit. OH MY GOD, GOLDUST DID IT! |
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Post by JL24FPS on Apr 5, 2015 16:56:53 GMT -5
On the flip side, had this not happened, WWE probably wouldn't have made serious changes (ex: Wellness Policy, Company Doctor, Concussion Tests, ect..)
And, to me, that's a scary thought...
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Post by That 80s Guy on Apr 5, 2015 17:02:05 GMT -5
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Well, I wasn't looking to spark a big "did he do it or not" debate lol. Just wanting to find out who the young guy was, in Trips' story.
Kinda thinking he was referring to either Puder or Hassain, after reading some of the comments that mentioned those 2.
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Post by rustyy on Apr 5, 2015 19:21:41 GMT -5
-- Well, I wasn't looking to spark a big "did he do it or not" debate lol. Just wanting to find out who the young guy was, in Trips' story. Kinda thinking he was referring to either Puder or Hassain, after reading some of the comments that mentioned those 2. You can't say Benoit without the stupid debate, his name sparks all the internet lawyers. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Apr 5, 2015 20:49:40 GMT -5
Here's an old Daivari blog about doing squats with Benoit:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 9:07:05 GMT -5
-- Well, I wasn't looking to spark a big "did he do it or not" debate lol. Just wanting to find out who the young guy was, in Trips' story. Kinda thinking he was referring to either Puder or Hassain, after reading some of the comments that mentioned those 2. You can't say Benoit without the stupid debate, his name sparks all the internet lawyers. So, because we have a little discussion about the incident, we're "internet lawyers", eh? |
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