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Post by Colter on Apr 7, 2015 20:33:54 GMT -5
I recently purchased 5 DVDs from a guy on an Elvis collector site I'm on. Anyways, they came today, and I put them in my XBOX and they all worked fine. They all worked fine on my laptop too. However, they did not work in my DVD player. After trying that out, I put them back in my laptop and they still worked fine, same with the XBOX (except for one of them...).
So, anyone with knowledge about DVDs and such, I need help. I assume the fact they were sent from the UK is essential information here too. And yes, they're DVD-Rs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 20:55:02 GMT -5
The likely answer is the person who produced them did not convert them to a DVD supported format.
I read something about MP4s on that other forum you were posting on, that's probably the case. If you can open the dvd and all you see is a bunch of MP4s it's not properly burned in the slightest, and you're better off just discarding the discs after ripping the MP4s.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 20:57:09 GMT -5
Are they the right region? XBOX's are multiregional, but some DVD players aren't.
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Post by Colter on Apr 7, 2015 20:57:45 GMT -5
The likely answer is the person who produced them did not convert them to a DVD supported format. I read something about MP4s on that other forum you were posting on, that's probably the case. If you can open the dvd and all you see is a bunch of MP4s it's not properly burned in the slightest, and you're better off just discarding the discs after ripping the MP4s. Nah, they're burned right, the have the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders, no MP4 files.
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Post by Colter on Apr 7, 2015 20:58:34 GMT -5
Are they the right region? XBOX's are multiregional, but some DVD players aren't. Yeah, that's what my main guess is. If anything, I'll just use Handbrake to get the files in MP4 and reburn it.
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Post by Quazimoto on Apr 7, 2015 21:19:53 GMT -5
Probably a region coding thing. Might also just be your DVD player doesn't work with DVD-Rs. Most players these days support just about any type of disc if it's the proper region, but some older models will only play DVD+R and not DVD-R.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Apr 7, 2015 21:41:42 GMT -5
I'd like to headbutt every single person who's replied to this post thus far if I could. If you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to tech support, DO NOT REPLY! You're just giving bad information. American DVDs (and video as a whole) runs off of NTSC format, which plays at 29.97 frames per second. The UK and Europe, for whatever reason, use the PAL format which plays at 25.00 frames per second. Europeans notice no difference because all PAL players play NTSC format without issue (since they just drop roughly 5 frames per second in playback) but in the US, only higher end players will play PAL discs. That's why the Xbox and PC drives would play it while the DVD player wouldn't. There's nothing wrong with the discs. If you reburn them, unless you completely re-encode them, they're not going to change. It has nothing to do with region coding. If they're DVD-Rs, any region coding they had has likely already been stripped. Your best solution is to just play them on the Xbox or computer. Any re-encoding you're going to lose quality, especially a lossy program like handbrake. As someone who encodes professionally, I cringe when people mention handbrake. www.diffen.com/difference/NTSC_vs_PALRead up. If you're going to mess with video encoding, this is vital information.
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Post by Colter on Apr 7, 2015 22:27:03 GMT -5
I'd like to headbutt every single person who's replied to this post thus far if I could. If you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to tech support, DO NOT REPLY! You're just giving bad information. American DVDs (and video as a whole) runs off of NTSC format, which plays at 29.97 frames per second. The UK and Europe, for whatever reason, use the PAL format which plays at 25.00 frames per second. Europeans notice no difference because all PAL players play NTSC format without issue (since they just drop roughly 5 frames per second in playback) but in the US, only higher end players will play PAL discs. That's why the Xbox and PC drives would play it while the DVD player wouldn't. There's nothing wrong with the discs. If you reburn them, unless you completely re-encode them, they're not going to change. It has nothing to do with region coding. If they're DVD-Rs, any region coding they had has likely already been stripped. Your best solution is to just play them on the Xbox or computer. Any re-encoding you're going to lose quality, especially a lossy program like handbrake. As someone who encodes professionally, I cringe when people mention handbrake. www.diffen.com/difference/NTSC_vs_PALRead up. If you're going to mess with video encoding, this is vital information. Thanks! The one DVD that won't play in the XBOX, but will the PC, I plan on using Handbrake (I know, I know) to get the MP4 file, and run it through Sony Vegas to make some changes to it, then re-burn it as WMV with Windows DVD Maker which I've never had a problem with.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Apr 8, 2015 21:45:15 GMT -5
I'd like to headbutt every single person who's replied to this post thus far if I could. If you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to tech support, DO NOT REPLY! You're just giving bad information. American DVDs (and video as a whole) runs off of NTSC format, which plays at 29.97 frames per second. The UK and Europe, for whatever reason, use the PAL format which plays at 25.00 frames per second. Europeans notice no difference because all PAL players play NTSC format without issue (since they just drop roughly 5 frames per second in playback) but in the US, only higher end players will play PAL discs. That's why the Xbox and PC drives would play it while the DVD player wouldn't. There's nothing wrong with the discs. If you reburn them, unless you completely re-encode them, they're not going to change. It has nothing to do with region coding. If they're DVD-Rs, any region coding they had has likely already been stripped. Your best solution is to just play them on the Xbox or computer. Any re-encoding you're going to lose quality, especially a lossy program like handbrake. As someone who encodes professionally, I cringe when people mention handbrake. www.diffen.com/difference/NTSC_vs_PALRead up. If you're going to mess with video encoding, this is vital information. I got into all that years ago studying movies on DVD. I think you missed one thing about NTSC at 29.97, but I can't quite remember the specifics. It's that there's some sort of slowdown that occurs with NTSC that brings it back down to 24 fps, because they do not play at 29, but it's on the disc that way. It would be noticeably annoying and unrealistic at 29, even 25 is a little fast to my eye, and with long movies it means the movie is significantly shorter when playing at 25. It all sucks, regions and formats. Imagine buying a book you couldn't read in certain countries.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Apr 8, 2015 21:49:27 GMT -5
I'd like to headbutt every single person who's replied to this post thus far if I could. If you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to tech support, DO NOT REPLY! You're just giving bad information. American DVDs (and video as a whole) runs off of NTSC format, which plays at 29.97 frames per second. The UK and Europe, for whatever reason, use the PAL format which plays at 25.00 frames per second. Europeans notice no difference because all PAL players play NTSC format without issue (since they just drop roughly 5 frames per second in playback) but in the US, only higher end players will play PAL discs. That's why the Xbox and PC drives would play it while the DVD player wouldn't. There's nothing wrong with the discs. If you reburn them, unless you completely re-encode them, they're not going to change. It has nothing to do with region coding. If they're DVD-Rs, any region coding they had has likely already been stripped. Your best solution is to just play them on the Xbox or computer. Any re-encoding you're going to lose quality, especially a lossy program like handbrake. As someone who encodes professionally, I cringe when people mention handbrake. www.diffen.com/difference/NTSC_vs_PALRead up. If you're going to mess with video encoding, this is vital information. I got into all that years ago studying movies on DVD. I think you missed one thing about NTSC at 29.97, but I can't quite remember the specifics. It's that there's some sort of slowdown that occurs with NTSC that brings it back down to 24 fps, because they do not play at 29, but it's on the disc that way. It would be noticeably annoying and unrealistic at 29, even 25 is a little fast to my eye, and with long movies it means the movie is significantly shorter when playing at 25. It all sucks, regions and formats. Imagine buying a book you couldn't read in certain countries. most movies play back at 23 fps. 1080p HD in the US typically plays at 60 fps now (or 50 fps in the UK) to result in a much smoother image. The human eye can only see around 20 frames per second (though some will argue as high as 200 fps, which is malarchy and trickery for the most part), which is why video is a smooth experience rather than seeing any individual frames, because the frame refresh rate in any conventional medium is faster than the human eye can absorb.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Apr 8, 2015 22:05:26 GMT -5
I got into all that years ago studying movies on DVD. I think you missed one thing about NTSC at 29.97, but I can't quite remember the specifics. It's that there's some sort of slowdown that occurs with NTSC that brings it back down to 24 fps, because they do not play at 29, but it's on the disc that way. It would be noticeably annoying and unrealistic at 29, even 25 is a little fast to my eye, and with long movies it means the movie is significantly shorter when playing at 25. It all sucks, regions and formats. Imagine buying a book you couldn't read in certain countries. most movies play back at 23 fps. 1080p HD in the US typically plays at 60 fps now (or 50 fps in the UK) to result in a much smoother image. The human eye can only see around 20 frames per second (though some will argue as high as 200 fps, which is malarchy and trickery for the most part), which is why video is a smooth experience rather than seeing any individual frames, because the frame refresh rate in any conventional medium is faster than the human eye can absorb. I've never heard of 23 fps. 1080p is a resolution, not sure what that has to do with fps. And yea it's different with HD now, it matters what rate the movie is filmed in, a lot of UK DVDs of US movies are less preferable because it's a 24 fps movie played at 25 fps. You don't play a movie meant to play at 24fps at 60fps though, barely getting away with 25, it plays at 24fps in 1080p or whatever in the US. edit: I think I left out screen refresh rate and that's what you were saying. It's been a while since I knew all this. The craziest attention to frames in real time that I know of is honestly Street Fighter. lol It puts a serious stress test on counting frames, you have to catch one frame windows all the time in 60 fps. Not that you can see 60 fps like you said, you're watching groups of frames in animations, hitting a button with 1/60th of a second timing consistently is just hard as hell.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Apr 8, 2015 22:24:05 GMT -5
And I'm not helping Colter play his Elvis DVDs with any of this am I?
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Post by Colter on Apr 8, 2015 22:48:27 GMT -5
And I'm not helping Colter play his Elvis DVDs with any of this am I? Haha, a lot of this stuff is over my head. All that matters is that they play in my laptop I guess. One has a skipping problem, but I think I need to clean the disc anyway...
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