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Post by Todd Pettengill on Apr 15, 2015 10:38:18 GMT -5
He hasn't been the same since he came back. It seemed sudden that he did come back when all the reports were that he had a long way to go still. It's a shame that he has these issue, but he HAS to take time off to heal or he will never be the same again. He probably should have taken a year or two off like Michaels did. You can't rush neck and back injuries. I'm starting to wonder if he wants out of his deal. Well killing himself will surely do it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 11:18:39 GMT -5
Hmm makes sense unfortunately. Ah man.....total downer if true.
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Post by facemeat on Apr 15, 2015 12:35:56 GMT -5
Now that he's been pulled from the European tour, I'm thinking this was accurate after all. Damn, I hope he's just taking a break and this isn't the precursor to retirement. But if he's really in that rough shape, it might be best for his sake to retire. This is just terrible all around.
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Post by ohernan6 on Apr 15, 2015 12:57:12 GMT -5
I don't know man, judging from only about 15 years of watching wrestling closely, I think this may be a case where his body figure and condition probably don't match the style Bryan wants to do. And I'm sure a lot of it is because he's not a steroid user, which is a good thing.
When you look at Angle, Guerrero, or Mysterio, they all juiced up in their primes. Then you look at Punk and Bryan, and you can see that they're beat up...
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Apr 15, 2015 13:20:43 GMT -5
I don't know man, judging from only about 15 years of watching wrestling closely, I think this may be a case where his body figure and condition probably don't match the style Bryan wants to do. And I'm sure a lot of it is because he's not a steroid user, which is a good thing. When you look at Angle, Guerrero, or Mysterio, they all juiced up in their primes. Then you look at Punk and Bryan, and you can see that they're beat up... The last part I disagree with completely. Eddie Guerrero looked beat up by 2004. I can see it in his face. By 2002, I could tell Kurt Angle looked beat up. Fast forward to 2006, he looked much worse then he did four years earlier. As for Rey Mysterio, the schedule the WWE had him on made his body looked much bigger. Many guys over time looked different when they first came in. From looking at his recent UFC promo shots, I can see CM Punk looking refreshed in his face. He doesn't have to worry about beating up his body week-after-week. Punk looks a lot heather now than he did in 2013. As far as Daniel Bryan is concerned, his mentality is doing to be his biggest detriment. A guy his size should be protecting his body. Steroids or not, the human body can only take so much punishment. People go through health issues no matter what.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Apr 15, 2015 13:30:51 GMT -5
He would've had a couple of PPV matches against Kane, Orton and Wyatt then got squashed by Lesnar at SummerSlam. There's no proof that that would have happened, though. That was the original plan for SummerSlam. They'd known Bryan was going to need surgery and time off eventually since he had the stinger in mid-2013, and when he won the title, the idea was that he'd take time off after Lesnar destroyed him at SummerSlam. Unfortunately, Bryan's condition worsened, surgery was needed sooner than thought... and plans changed.
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Post by ohernan6 on Apr 15, 2015 13:33:20 GMT -5
I don't know man, judging from only about 15 years of watching wrestling closely, I think this may be a case where his body figure and condition probably don't match the style Bryan wants to do. And I'm sure a lot of it is because he's not a steroid user, which is a good thing. When you look at Angle, Guerrero, or Mysterio, they all juiced up in their primes. Then you look at Punk and Bryan, and you can see that they're beat up... The last part I disagree with completely. Eddie Guerrero looked beat up by 2004. I can see it in his face. By 2002, I could tell Kurt Angle looked beat up. Fast forward to 2006, he looked much worse then he did four years earlier. As for Rey Mysterio, the schedule the WWE had him on made his body looked much bigger. Many guys over time looked different when they first came in. From looking at his recent UFC promo shots, I can see CM Punk looking refreshed in his face. He doesn't have to worry about beating up his body week-after-week. Punk looks a lot heather now than he did in 2013. As far as Daniel Bryan is concerned, his mentality is doing to be his biggest detriment. A guy his size should be protecting his body. Steroids or not, the human body can only take so much punishment. People go through health issues no matter what. I don't think Guerrero looked beat up. He was still having high-calliber matches. And I know Angle had his drug problems, but he definitely was still moving forward way stronger than everyone else up to when he was released. The point is, the three guys I mentioned all lasted much longer than Bryan has so far. Punk, well... he's been rested for over a year now, so yeah... he looks better. I agree with your last statement though, but I wonder if steroids aided most guys in their professional life
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Post by iamkrang on Apr 15, 2015 13:45:21 GMT -5
I'm still in my mind trying to decipher why he came back pre Rumble. He should have waited until he was healthy enough to really go. I feel he's looked a step slow since his return and I cringe everytime he takes a fall near his neck. Realistically he's jeopardizing longevity by returning as soon as he did. I don't care if he was medically cleared is not.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Apr 15, 2015 14:05:16 GMT -5
The last part I disagree with completely. Eddie Guerrero looked beat up by 2004. I can see it in his face. By 2002, I could tell Kurt Angle looked beat up. Fast forward to 2006, he looked much worse then he did four years earlier. As for Rey Mysterio, the schedule the WWE had him on made his body looked much bigger. Many guys over time looked different when they first came in. From looking at his recent UFC promo shots, I can see CM Punk looking refreshed in his face. He doesn't have to worry about beating up his body week-after-week. Punk looks a lot heather now than he did in 2013. As far as Daniel Bryan is concerned, his mentality is doing to be his biggest detriment. A guy his size should be protecting his body. Steroids or not, the human body can only take so much punishment. People go through health issues no matter what. I don't think Guerrero looked beat up. He was still having high-calliber matches. And I know Angle had his drug problems, but he definitely was still moving forward way stronger than everyone else up to when he was released. The point is, the three guys I mentioned all lasted much longer than Bryan has so far. Punk, well... he's been rested for over a year now, so yeah... he looks better. I agree with your last statement though, but I wonder if steroids aided most guys in their professional life Go back at watch Eddie Guerrero's matches in 2000 and in 2005. You'll see his body and face looked like it has been going through abuse. Notice how jacked Guerrero was towards the end of his life. Part of me tells me he was on steroids at some point of his WWE tenure. As for Kurt Angle, look how his body changed from 1999 to 2006. The WWE schedule has guys constantly training their bodies. Your body get's tired after working out. The amount of time these guys have, their bodies can't heal at all. Ever since making changed and resting his body up, Kurt Angle looks better now than he did a decade ago. A lot of guys have done steroids in the past. While steroids helps comes of this guys heal quicker, the side effects comes with a price. After listening to Superstar Billy Graham on The Ross Report, these guys need to protect their bodies and health. With the style Daniel Bryan works, he doesn't need to be doing high-risk moves. Bryan could be protecting his health by doing more mat based moves. Hell, Daniel Bryan has been pulled off the rest of the European tour. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up losing to Bad News Barrett at Extreme Rules.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Apr 15, 2015 14:12:43 GMT -5
This is not good. I really don't want to see him end up in a wheelchair or have injuries that will affect his quality of life.
Honestly, he should not have come back. Since he's been back, storyline-wise, his character has accomplished nothing. And him being an active wrestler on the roster probably led to MOST of the Roman Reigns hate with the Rumble and Mania. We heard rumors in AUGUST that Roman Reigns was winning the Rumble but nobody bitched because at that point it looked like Daniel Bryan was never coming back.
Fast Forward to the end of December and Daniel Bryan announces he'll be back AND in the Rumble and everyone is like "oh man he's going to win it for sure!"....and then he doesn't. People got pissed. Then they make the match at FastLane and it's like "YES! The WWE heard us and they are going to have Bryan win and go to Mania!".....and then he doesn't.
So really....Daniel Bryan has been lost in mid-card hell since his return and he's IC Champ now, but it's really just a bitter consolation prize. And the fact now that we hear that he's in bad shape again.
I don't think his return has been worth it. I'd rather he retire and go make babies with Brie and live a happy life than to throw himself on his head for a company that thinks he's a B+ player.
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Post by ohernan6 on Apr 15, 2015 14:18:05 GMT -5
I don't think Guerrero looked beat up. He was still having high-calliber matches. And I know Angle had his drug problems, but he definitely was still moving forward way stronger than everyone else up to when he was released. The point is, the three guys I mentioned all lasted much longer than Bryan has so far. Punk, well... he's been rested for over a year now, so yeah... he looks better. I agree with your last statement though, but I wonder if steroids aided most guys in their professional life Go back at watch Eddie Guerrero's matches in 2000 and in 2005. You'll see his body and face looked like it has been going through abuse. Notice how jacked Guerrero was towards the end of his life. Part of me tells me he was on steroids at some point of his WWE tenure. As for Kurt Angle, look how his body changed from 1999 to 2006. The WWE schedule has guys constantly training their bodies. Your body get's tired after working out. The amount of time these guys have, their bodies can't heal at all. Ever since making changed and resting his body up, Kurt Angle looks better now than he did a decade ago. A lot of guys have done steroids in the past. While steroids helps comes of this guys heal quicker, the side effects comes with a price. After listening to Superstar Billy Graham on The Ross Report, these guys need to protect their bodies and health. With the style Daniel Bryan works, he doesn't need to be doing high-risk moves. Bryan could be protecting his health by doing more mat based moves. Hell, Daniel Bryan has been pulled off the rest of the European tour. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up losing to Bad News Barrett at Extreme Rules. Yes, but you're talking about appearance. I'm talking about functionality (I may have not been too clear earlier). Daniel Bryan looks healthy, but he ain't performing like he used to. Eddie Guerrero looked like an old man, even though he was just a few years older than Bryan, but he was still performing better than most of the roster at his time. I think both of us are on the same page because because I mostly agree with everything in your last post.
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Post by havoc7179 on Apr 15, 2015 14:24:41 GMT -5
I hope he isn't another Edge. Barrett or Sheamus will probably take the IC Title. I hope he isn't another Canadian Who Shall Not Be Named. The man has suffered tremendous injuries. I don't know about the concussions, but if all of the injuries are taking a toll on Daniel Bryan, it may be time to move into another role. It's a sad story, but at least he A) had multiple runs as World Champion; B) had a tremendous Wrestlemania moment (beating Evolution in two matches? Come on now); and C) organically became one of the biggest stars of this batch of people. Only Steve Austin can claim such a run in recent time (Rock, Cena, Orton, Triple H, and Batista, while big stars, were more or less forced on us). The man made me really fall back in love with wrestling. He made me actually care about watching it. If he needs to go out, let it be now. Not when he's unable to function.
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Post by havoc7179 on Apr 15, 2015 14:27:08 GMT -5
To be honest, I HOPE he retires sooner rather than later..Even if it's a shame that his WWE carrear only lasted that long and included only one really big payoff moment (WM30), but hey! I'm happy we got to see this moment at all! There are enough guys down there in NXT that can take his spot if he or the Doctors decide to hang up the boots. At least he had a career. Nigel McGuiness, Samoa Joe, Aj Styles, and Daniels may never get that opportunity. They've had moments in NJPW and other big Eastern Companies and that indy fed in Orlando, but they may never get that Mania moment or WWE paycheck. Doesn't diminish their contributions and their work, but if we want to assess someone by their WWE career, he made it and scored.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Apr 15, 2015 14:33:17 GMT -5
Go back at watch Eddie Guerrero's matches in 2000 and in 2005. You'll see his body and face looked like it has been going through abuse. Notice how jacked Guerrero was towards the end of his life. Part of me tells me he was on steroids at some point of his WWE tenure. As for Kurt Angle, look how his body changed from 1999 to 2006. The WWE schedule has guys constantly training their bodies. Your body get's tired after working out. The amount of time these guys have, their bodies can't heal at all. Ever since making changed and resting his body up, Kurt Angle looks better now than he did a decade ago. A lot of guys have done steroids in the past. While steroids helps comes of this guys heal quicker, the side effects comes with a price. After listening to Superstar Billy Graham on The Ross Report, these guys need to protect their bodies and health. With the style Daniel Bryan works, he doesn't need to be doing high-risk moves. Bryan could be protecting his health by doing more mat based moves. Hell, Daniel Bryan has been pulled off the rest of the European tour. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up losing to Bad News Barrett at Extreme Rules. Yes, but you're talking about appearance. I'm talking about functionality (I may have not been too clear earlier). Daniel Bryan looks healthy, but he ain't performing like he used to. Eddie Guerrero looked like an old man, even though he was just a few years older than Bryan, but he was still performing better than most of the roster at his time. I think both of us are on the same page because because I mostly agree with everything in your last post. I am going to use myself as an example. I may "appear" healthy on the outside, but what matters most is how healthy I appear on the inside. I have had hernia surgery and my gallbladder removed. Also, I landed on my tailbone earlier this year. With Daniel Bryan, he may look healthy on the outside but it is the inside what matters most. The same applies to ever performer that has ever laced up a pair of boots. Everybody has their own limits.
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Post by A-Rob on Apr 15, 2015 14:46:25 GMT -5
Just like Hiroshi Tanahashi he needs to rest for a little while.
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Post by E N I G M A on Apr 15, 2015 14:55:25 GMT -5
To be honest, I HOPE he retires sooner rather than later..Even if it's a shame that his WWE carrear only lasted that long and included only one really big payoff moment (WM30), but hey! I'm happy we got to see this moment at all! There are enough guys down there in NXT that can take his spot if he or the Doctors decide to hang up the boots. At least he had a career. Nigel McGuiness, Samoa Joe, Aj Styles, and Daniels may never get that opportunity. They've had moments in NJPW and other big Eastern Companies and that indy fed in Orlando, but they may never get that Mania moment or WWE paycheck. Doesn't diminish their contributions and their work, but if we want to assess someone by their WWE career, he made it and scored. Exactly what I mean on the positive side!
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Post by Rontaro13 on Apr 15, 2015 17:57:59 GMT -5
I really don't want Bryan to retire, and if it means adjusting his move-set so he stays active for as long as possible, he should do it. Daniel Bryan's skilled enough in the ring to replace moves in his arsenal.
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Post by Robert69 on Apr 15, 2015 20:10:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 20:39:18 GMT -5
Sooooo....... maybe they should stop giving him title wins at WrestleMania? This is proving to be a curse.
Man, D Bry is what got me into Wrestling after I stopped watching in 1997.
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Post by famdamuxwl on Apr 15, 2015 20:43:13 GMT -5
He needs to retire and become a trainer in NXT. Him wrestling just isn't worth his health. He is a future WWE Hall of Famer for sure. I no longer want to see him wrestle any longer knowing he isn't 100%
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