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Post by MattelsRule on Jun 5, 2015 22:49:42 GMT -5
Watching some of the 97 raws they just put on the Network and came across the raw from the Manhattan Center in Feb 97.
Was such a major show when I was a kid and still resonates today. Cross brand with ECW, LOD return, awesome crowd etc. I feel that this was the night you could feel WWF could really turn the tide in the MNW.
Thoughts on this show?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 22:53:36 GMT -5
Just watched it a week ago.
It's 1997. What's not to love?
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Post by MattelsRule on Jun 5, 2015 22:57:00 GMT -5
Anyone know if the WWF guys at the time were annoyed about ECW getting so much TV time?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 23:00:15 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler was shooting for most of that stuff.
Not a doubt in my mind.
I'm sure a lot of guys were pissed.
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Post by Revy on Jun 5, 2015 23:09:20 GMT -5
I remember back then when LOD came out and I was like "oh that's cool they are back, they will definitely squash the headbangers". Well as it turns out, it was a double count out I believe and I was like "wow, these headbangers must really be something. Granted, their run in the wwf could have been better, but I think it goes along with what you are saying.
1997 was by far my favorite year in wrestling. Wwf, wcw and the. The discovery of ecw. I will always out that year over any other.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jun 5, 2015 23:49:03 GMT -5
Anyone know if the WWF guys at the time were annoyed about ECW getting so much TV time? Most of the talent was over doing a European Tour. The following week we saw Bulldog vs. Owen for the European Title finals. So guys like them, Bret, Triple H, Sid, Mankind, Vader, Rocky and such weren't even on the US soil. So I think that's why Vince had ECW come on his show. He needed more talent to show off, and it helped Vince try to get a higher rating, it helped Heyman get his ECW crew noticed on a bigger level. It was a pure win/win situation for both companies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 5:16:40 GMT -5
GREAT Raw. Yeah in late 96/early 97 you could really tell Vince was trying something different.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 6, 2015 6:43:19 GMT -5
97 was my favorite year of wrestling - ever. all 3 brands were on fire. it pisses me off to no end that WWE Network hasn't continued uploading more 97 Raw's, and are still stuck in 96 with Nitro and Hardcore TV!
I remember watching that Raw live, and the atmosphere was awesome! just a wild-west feel to the whole thing, and Hayman legit shooting with Lawler was great.
THAT SAID.....having watched the show again,for the first time since it aired, recently.... I wasn't as impressed. the ECW invasion was great, but the matches felt like watered-down ECW. I assume this was because of USA standards and practices, but the only match that felt like an ECW match was Dreamer vs D-Von.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 8:16:54 GMT -5
Didn't Vince fund ECW on like the super-duper down low? I've always heard this But don't know if there is any validity to it. Also, wasn't this the RAW where Sabu fell off the sign?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 6, 2015 8:23:51 GMT -5
Didn't Vince fund ECW on like the super-duper down low? I've always heard this But don't know if there is any validity to it. Also, wasn't this the RAW where Sabu fell off the sign? Paul Heyman has admitted to getting some checks from Vince McMahon. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 8:25:58 GMT -5
Didn't Vince fund ECW on like the super-duper down low? I've always heard this But don't know if there is any validity to it. Also, wasn't this the RAW where Sabu fell off the sign? Paul Heyman has admitted to getting some checks from Vince McMahon. Lol can I just message you directly if I have any questions from now on? Thanks for the answers man |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 8:29:02 GMT -5
Yeah Vince was dealing under the table with Heyman so he could cherry pick his talent. That's why dudes such as PE & Mike Awesome who knocked Vince back for WCW were not treated so hot when they did sign for WWF.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 6, 2015 8:39:38 GMT -5
Paul Heyman has admitted to getting some checks from Vince McMahon. Lol can I just message you directly if I have any questions from now on? Thanks for the answers man Haha sure thing. I'll do my best to give any answers. |
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jun 6, 2015 8:52:21 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler was shooting for most of that stuff. Not a doubt in my mind. I'm sure a lot of guys were pissed. He admitted it in The Rise and Fall of ECW DVD. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 9:39:36 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler was shooting for most of that stuff. Not a doubt in my mind. I'm sure a lot of guys were pissed. He admitted it in The Rise and Fall of ECW DVD. I've always thought Lawler's hate for ECW was a bit of a work. Figured he said all of that stuff to get people to watch |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jun 6, 2015 10:28:48 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler's hate for ECW HAD to be a work. For one, he wrestled and did appearances in ECW during that time frame!! And two, they even had ECW work with USWA down in Memphis.
And speaking of which, no way could Jerry Lawler think ECW was "Extremely Crappy Wrestling" when for years in Memphis that style of wrestling was being done. The blood and guts style wrestling. I mean, let's face it.... Jerry Lawler got hit by a car driven by Eddie Gilbert!! I don't ever recall any hit and runs in ECW with vehicles.
The WWE needed a heel to hate on ECW, and Jerry Lawler was the perfect guy for that role. Maybe Jerry didn't like Heyman at the time personally, but I am sure he wasn't that hateful towards ECW as he says he was.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 6, 2015 15:58:14 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler's hate for ECW HAD to be a work. For one, he wrestled and did appearances in ECW during that time frame!! And two, they even had ECW work with USWA down in Memphis. And speaking of which, no way could Jerry Lawler think ECW was "Extremely Crappy Wrestling" when for years in Memphis that style of wrestling was being done. The blood and guts style wrestling. I mean, let's face it.... Jerry Lawler got hit by a car driven by Eddie Gilbert!! I don't ever recall any hit and runs in ECW with vehicles. The WWE needed a heel to hate on ECW, and Jerry Lawler was the perfect guy for that role. Maybe Jerry didn't like Heyman at the time personally, but I am sure he wasn't that hateful towards ECW as he says he was. I always took it as less real hatred because of the type of wrestling they did, but more of thinking that Vince shouldn't have been giving up time to the ECW guys rather than using that time to showcase his own talent. I swear Lawler said something like that in an interview somewhere. |
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Jun 6, 2015 16:27:34 GMT -5
Real nice episode, watched it for the first time yesterday, totally did not expect to see LOD come out, and the ECW stuff was cool, just another layer the show had on offer that week.
I do think that Lawler was being legit, or atleast to a point he was, I remember during one of the Round Table discussions that Lawler admitted to breaking Heyman's jaw on purpose during that time frame.
But no doubt he did alot for ECW, no doubt, so of course he had to have some sort of love or atleast respect for the company
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jun 6, 2015 16:56:00 GMT -5
Real nice episode, watched it for the first time yesterday, totally did not expect to see LOD come out, and the ECW stuff was cool, just another layer the show had on offer that week. I do think that Lawler was being legit, or atleast to a point he was, I remember during one of the Round Table discussions that Lawler admitted to breaking Heyman's jaw on purpose during that time frame.But no doubt he did alot for ECW, no doubt, so of course he had to have some sort of love or atleast respect for the company Lawler broke Heyman's jaw in like 1986 or 1987 when Heyman was like 21 or 22 years old. It wasn't during the ECW time frame when he broke his jaw. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 16:59:13 GMT -5
Lawler does not like Heyman.
He mentioned it on the "Legends of Wrestling" round table where he also admitted to breaking Heyman's jaw on purpose.
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