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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 17:57:21 GMT -5
So, not thinking that gay marriage is right makes me an atheist ? ... that's new to me. Anyways, I also didn't say that it was wrong for anyone to adopt a child ... I have friends that can't have any kids, in which they're on the waiting list to adopt. I don't see where you would get that I'm against anything that has to do with making a childs life better by having parents ? All I said was that a man & man cant make a child and a woman & woman cant make a child. Good! This world is getting over populated, even the government wants to slim it down some.
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Post by RybackV1 on Jun 26, 2015 17:57:55 GMT -5
So, not thinking that gay marriage is right makes me an atheist ? ... that's new to me. Anyways, I also didn't say that it was wrong for anyone to adopt a child ... I have friends that can't have any kids, in which they're on the waiting list to adopt. I don't see where you would get that I'm against anything that has to do with making a childs life better by having parents ? All I said was that a man & man cant make a child and a woman & woman cant make a child. Apparently it does in today's world People beg for "equality" and then degrade those who think differently than them. It's ed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:03:18 GMT -5
I just personally don't think it's right, because a man/man cant create life and a woman/woman can create life. I'm faaaaar away from a bible thumper as possible, but I was raised to see marriage as a man and a woman. Barren women or sterile men can't have babies, either. Also, are you an atheist who despises God and religion of all kind? If not, then your statement about being as far away from a bible thumper is false. I don't think you need to be a bible thumper to understand that the definition of marriage was changed today. Before today, marriage was between one man and one woman. Today the definition of marriage was changed to mean between two people. Tomorrow marriage may mean the union of any number of people. I''m glad marriage rights have been extended to homosexual couples. I look forward to the day those same rights will be afforded polygamist couples. That said, im okay with people being slow to accept this change. Be a STAR. Show tolerance and respect.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:05:18 GMT -5
I didn't say that it was wrong for anyone to adopt a child ... I have friends that can't have any kids, in which they're on the waiting list to adopt. I don't see where you would get that I'm against anything that has to do with making a childs life better by having parents ? All I said was that a man & man cant make a child and a woman & woman cant make a child. Adoption had nothing to do with my or Carnage's counter argument. You said you see it as morally wrong because they are physically unable to reproduce. By that same thinking, marriages of couples that willing choose or physically can't have children would also be morally wrong. The simple fact of the matter is sexuality and morals have absolutely nothing to do each other. Morals are the personal standards and beliefs that dictate the choices we make. Sexual preference is like death, whether you embrace it or not, it's an inevitable fact of life. The only way morality and sexuality coincide is if you believe that sexuality is a choice, in which case you are just willingly being blind and ignorant out of pure stubbornness. Furthermore, being raised one way or another is not a viable excuse for a personal belief or moral compass. Saying "I was raised to believe..." is the same as saying "I don't think for myself." If someone was raised to punch babies in the face, you wouldn't look at that person and think, "Well, that's just the way he was raised." You would step in and say, "You need to stop." This is the same mentality I apply to anyone who argues against equality. Regardless of how you were raised or what the people around you do, it does not give you the right or moral standing to decide someone isn't worthwhile do to something uncontrollable. I guess in closing, I'll quote the famous poem "First they came.." by Martin Niemöller, who, by the way, was a preacher and was raised to believe that his religion was superior: "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:06:59 GMT -5
People are gonna do what they want, really, so whats the big deal. Man & Woman = legit marriage, in my eye, but I'm cool for with whatever makes you happy. I'm just glad I don't have to hear this "news" anymore about deciding if it's right or wrong. I don't agree with it from a moral standpoint, but if it makes someone happy then by all means allow them to be.... as long as they don't get any special tax exemptions or any sort of bs like that, just because they're gay. What does morality have to do with sexual preference? In fact, what does morality have to do with marriage? Depends on your definition of morality I suppose. Like, you may consider it morally acceptable to prefer children as sex partners and want to marry animals, but most others would disagree. Personally, any marriage between consenting adults is okay in my book. I know Muslims disagree though. They don't believe it is morally acceptable for homosexuals to marry.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:08:16 GMT -5
So, not thinking that gay marriage is right makes me an atheist ? ... that's new to me. Anyways, I also didn't say that it was wrong for anyone to adopt a child ... I have friends that can't have any kids, in which they're on the waiting list to adopt. I don't see where you would get that I'm against anything that has to do with making a childs life better by having parents ? All I said was that a man & man cant make a child and a woman & woman cant make a child. Good! This world is getting over populated, even the government wants to slim it down some. Population is on the decline. We're actually underpopulated. We need more young people to support our retiring baby boomers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:11:13 GMT -5
Old School Collector and kayfabe, you entirely missed the point to my atheist statement. He ( Old School Collector) said he was the furthest thing from a bible thumper, so I named the furthest thing I could think of from a bible thumper. I was going for levity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:14:19 GMT -5
It's a good news day. Are we seriously going to get another thread locked because people have to argue about every damn thing?
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 26, 2015 18:14:24 GMT -5
^^There it is. I was waiting for someone to make the nonsense pedophilia/beastiality argument.
"People want equal rights and I want everyone to be okay with me being a bigot. What about ME? What about MY RIGHTS???"
This is a very sad day for our country, it's too bad some of you don't understand why.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:15:30 GMT -5
It's a good news day. Are we seriously going to get another thread locked because people have to argue about every damn thing? I'm not arguing, I'm debating. There's a major difference between the two. I haven't once attacked anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:15:50 GMT -5
Old School Collector and kayfabe, you entirely missed the point to my atheist statement. He ( Old School Collector) said he was the furthest thing from a bible thumper, so I named the furthest thing I could think of from a bible thumper. I was going for levity. Levity has no place in this thread!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:16:18 GMT -5
Old School Collector and kayfabe, you entirely missed the point to my atheist statement. He ( Old School Collector) said he was the furthest thing from a bible thumper, so I named the furthest thing I could think of from a bible thumper. I was going for levity. Levity has no place in this thread!!! Fine. I'm going back to marrying my dog.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:31:59 GMT -5
Levity has no place in this thread!!! Fine. I'm going back to marrying my dog. You're good. I think we were all waiting for someone to say they actually had a problem with gay marriage. Without them we'd all be posting about how great today's decision was. That said, I don't think this will be the end of the debate as much as I'd like it to be. Believe me, I'd rather be talking about legalizing prostitution, gambling, and drugs. Instead we'll probably be arguing over whether or not churches should be forced to perform gay marriages. I also think we should all be gracious winners. Some people are upset because they feel like they're sensibilities are being assaulted. I'm going to try to be sensitive to that and I would encourage others to follow suit. We got what we wanted. There's no good reason to rub salt in their wounds.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Jun 26, 2015 18:32:34 GMT -5
This is a good day indeed. It both amuses and angers me to read the dissenting opinion from Roberts and Scalia, as well as Huckabee and Santorum. They complain about a group of unelected people controlling the law, among other things. Do none of them understand what the entire point of the Supreme Court is?! The fact that two people who are a part of it made these points is the worst, and shows they should probably retire before too long. Also, I'm fed up with people saying that this changes the definition of marriage, like that's never happened before. The very idea of marrying for love wasn't the most commonplace reason until the last century or so. Until then, it was a business arrangement between families, or a father selling his daughter of like she was property. The fact that love is now the predominant reason means the definition has changed. Or how about the fact that in many states, until the 1967 it was illegal for people of different races to get married means the definition has changed. The fact that a woman can get a divorce without being ostracized or stoned to death means the definition has changed. A win for any type of equality is a win for everyone, whether you are directly affected or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:40:30 GMT -5
Fine. I'm going back to marrying my dog. You're good. I think we were all waiting for someone to say they actually had a problem with gay marriage. Without them we'd all be posting about how great today's decision was. That said, I don't think this will be the end of the debate as much as I'd like it to be. Believe me, I'd rather be talking about legalizing prostitution, gambling, and drugs. Instead we'll probably be arguing over whether or not churches should be forced to perform gay marriages. I also think we should all be gracious winners. Some people are upset because they feel like they're sensibilities are being assaulted. I'm going to try to be sensitive to that and I would encourage others to follow suit. We got what we wanted. There's no good reason to rub salt in their wounds. I don't think churches should be forced to perform gay marriages, but I do believe churches should perform forced gay marriages.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 18:45:54 GMT -5
You're good. I think we were all waiting for someone to say they actually had a problem with gay marriage. Without them we'd all be posting about how great today's decision was. That said, I don't think this will be the end of the debate as much as I'd like it to be. Believe me, I'd rather be talking about legalizing prostitution, gambling, and drugs. Instead we'll probably be arguing over whether or not churches should be forced to perform gay marriages. I also think we should all be gracious winners. Some people are upset because they feel like they're sensibilities are being assaulted. I'm going to try to be sensitive to that and I would encourage others to follow suit. We got what we wanted. There's no good reason to rub salt in their wounds. I don't think churches should be forced to perform gay marriages, but I do believe churches should perform forced gay marriages. I think churches should decide on their own to perform gay marriages. That would make a lot of people happy I think.
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Post by Old School Collector on Jun 26, 2015 21:13:57 GMT -5
I'm not arguing with anybody, but I don't think gay marriage is right.
HOWEVER, no matter if people are happy or mad about it, it won't change anything because it is what it is.
I don't let stuff like that bother me, unless I see someone flaunting about it for no reason, just for the sake of doing it. I k ow they do it just waiting for someone to stand up to them, so they can pull the pitty card.
Other than that, congrats to those that makes them happy.
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Post by HHH316 on Jun 26, 2015 21:48:56 GMT -5
Well, before this gets locked...
I'm happy for those this affects. I'm glad all couples legally have the same right I've got.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 26, 2015 22:20:26 GMT -5
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Post by Sleeping Like An Angel on Jun 26, 2015 22:37:58 GMT -5
All I will say is this. When I get hitched next year, slappy and Angel Beast will be my bridesmaids.
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