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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 22:34:51 GMT -5
I respect that. But my counter argument would be that if you put Kane in a match with the same structure as Cenas, people would also think it was a good match. I don't think I can agree with that. Kane can't move like Cena. I agree
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jun 30, 2015 22:45:50 GMT -5
Well, I refuse to interject myself into any further opinion based arguments due to the fact that I now have a 50% Warning level. Isn't that lovely. Whatever Admin did that, Thank You. I appreciate it pal.
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Post by Yayo on Jun 30, 2015 22:47:47 GMT -5
John Cena is a great wrestler
Most stale character on the roster though and that is saying an awful lot
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Post by Himmy! on Jul 1, 2015 3:32:43 GMT -5
Cena is the man at the moment. He's a hell of a performer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 5:34:49 GMT -5
When it comes to John for me, the good far outways the bad, he brings the big fight feel with him, and he's consistently delivered the most enjoyable matches with a wide variety of opponents over the past few years. He's a great role model for kids, and the WWE will truly lose something irreplaceable the day he decides to hang them up. IMO, he's got top be a top 10 superstar of all time for his body of work alone. Just a couple more things I'm going to add and then be done. 1. Cena is good. He is very capable of having good to great matches. Period. 2. When people say "Cena sucks" I believe 99% of that is due to his stale character and not necessarily his in-ring work. 3. I think the frustration is that Cena CAN be even better than he is now. It's like, if you were an actor and Edward Norton, Robert DeNiro and Brad Pitt all came up to you and said "hey you're good but why don't you try delivering your lines this way instead" and you chose to ignore their advice then...you would be an idiot. At my work, if a 20 year veteran came to me and said "hey Bash, youre good out there but you're not searching your prisoners properly" and I didn't follow through with that advice then...I'd be a huge idiot. Lastly, I consider Bret Hart, Curt Hennig and Eddie Guerrero to be the top 3 workers ever. Damn near everything they did looked crisp, smooth and textbook. I think Cena has the ability to be even better than he is now but doesn't do it for whatever reason. A lot of people use size an excuse but Eddie was ripped out of his mind before his death and his stuff looked fantastic. Hennig was not a small man and either is Kurt Angle for that matter. The point being, Cena is good, his character is absolutely stale as a 10 year old potato chip but the guy can go in the ring. However, after 13 years in WWE he could still improve on a lot of mistakes he's been making throughout his entire tenure. That is all. See I respect this. Someone laying out an opinion as to why they don't particularly enjoy John, but still acknowledging that he is good. Not just "Cena SUX LOL" or "he can't have good matches without someone to carry him".
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Post by T R W on Jul 1, 2015 5:51:43 GMT -5
Well, I refuse to interject myself into any further opinion based arguments due to the fact that I now have a 50% Warning level. Isn't that lovely. Whatever Admin did that, Thank You. I appreciate it pal.
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Post by torriefan4life on Jul 1, 2015 6:33:31 GMT -5
That is your opinion, not a fact. Well this is a forum for expressing opinions so what you said was pointless. Not really since they said a statement as a fact. I was letting them know that everyone does not think that way.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Jul 1, 2015 6:46:30 GMT -5
Well this is a forum for expressing opinions so what you said was pointless. Not really since they said a statement as a fact. I was letting them know that everyone does not think that way. So anytime someone posts on here they have to start it with 'in my opinion' otherwise it'll be perceived as being a factual statement?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 14:51:32 GMT -5
Not really since they said a statement as a fact. I was letting them know that everyone does not think that way. So anytime someone posts on here they have to start it with 'in my opinion' otherwise it'll be perceived as being a factual statement? I think that many posters here think by adding some finality or hyperbole to their statements, gives them more credibility...like "so and so is by far the best/worst" or "everyone knows that..." "Easily this is true". I can see how that is annoying and immature. Like it's that so far out of the realm of possibility that someone thinks different? Really? Are we all that self-centred and insecure that adding bravado to your statements will make them true? Its like the "selfie" of message board posting...all about the self.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 1, 2015 14:59:55 GMT -5
Well, I refuse to interject myself into any further opinion based arguments due to the fact that I now have a 50% Warning level. Isn't that lovely. Whatever Admin did that, Thank You. I appreciate it pal. You should be happy it was only 50%.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jul 1, 2015 15:16:26 GMT -5
Well, I refuse to interject myself into any further opinion based arguments due to the fact that I now have a 50% Warning level. Isn't that lovely. Whatever Admin did that, Thank You. I appreciate it pal. You should be happy it was only 50%. If you posted an opinion in the unpopular opinions thread and got attacked for it, wouldn't you be mad too? I got called names and harassed for expressing an unpopular opinion in the unpopular opinions thread. That's okay! But when I get upset and lash out at these people it instantly turns into my fault. I tried to issue an apology, but they just locked the thread. So now I have a 50% Warning Level for getting mad at the people who insulted me for my unpopular opinion which was posted in the unpopular opinions thread. Can you see why I'm upset now?
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Post by marino13 on Jul 1, 2015 15:50:28 GMT -5
You should be happy it was only 50%. If you posted an opinion in the unpopular opinions thread and got attacked for it, wouldn't you be mad too? I got called names and harassed for expressing an unpopular opinion in the unpopular opinions thread. That's okay! But when I get upset and lash out at these people it instantly turns into my fault. I tried to issue an apology, but they just locked the thread. So now I have a 50% Warning Level for getting mad at the people who insulted me for my unpopular opinion which was posted in the unpopular opinions thread. Can you see why I'm upset now? I have disagreements on here all the time, but I never told anyone to "go **** themselves" over it. Just saying, be happy it was only 50%.
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Post by CrazyCanuck on Jul 1, 2015 17:26:15 GMT -5
If you posted an opinion in the unpopular opinions thread and got attacked for it, wouldn't you be mad too? I got called names and harassed for expressing an unpopular opinion in the unpopular opinions thread. That's okay! But when I get upset and lash out at these people it instantly turns into my fault. I tried to issue an apology, but they just locked the thread. So now I have a 50% Warning Level for getting mad at the people who insulted me for my unpopular opinion which was posted in the unpopular opinions thread. Can you see why I'm upset now? I have disagreements on here all the time, but I never told anyone to "go **** themselves" over it. Just saying, be happy it was only 50%. Have you ever been called a "smarky smark bitchy bitch" in any of your disagreements?
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Post by marino13 on Jul 1, 2015 18:21:42 GMT -5
I have disagreements on here all the time, but I never told anyone to "go **** themselves" over it. Just saying, be happy it was only 50%. Have you ever been called a "smarky smark bitchy bitch" in any of your disagreements? The exact quote was " smarky smark and the funky bunch". So yeah... I've been called worse than that. Point remains the same... just be grateful TRW didn't ban you.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 1, 2015 19:19:22 GMT -5
I'm going to go ahead and try to get this thread back on track. I'll be the first to admit, I am a John Cena fan. I didn't grow up watching the Attitude Era and seeing The Rock and Stone Cold. The first mega star I saw watching WWE was John Cena because I started watching in 2004. I'm not of the mindset that it is/was cool to hate on him because of how he was booked. Yes, John Cena's used a lot of wash, rinse and repeat over the years. But so did Hogan. We're coming out of the Entertainment Era where wrestling was presented more like it was in the early 90's and we're stepping into the Reality Era where it's like that transition time between the Legends/Attitude Era. As a result, Cena is being forced to evolve and he's doing a stellar job. His promos aren't nearly as cookie cutter, he's actually really trying to wrestle to the point where he's doing off the wall sh*t like the ing Code Red and a springboard stunner (in what world did anyone think John Cena and that pudgy little ball of muscle that he is could be agile enough to do the Code Red or the stunner?) and best of all no longer are his matches entirely predictable. They're not "get murdered for ten minutes, five moves of doom, tap out" but they're so back and forth. His in ring exchanges with Rusev I had no idea how they were going to end. I legitimately have no earthly idea who's winning at Battleground. Cena could lose clean again and I would be just as shocked if he won by using Owens underhanded tactics against him. He's putting talent over, making them look strong even in defeat. He's one quick pin loss away from making Kevin Owens the main draw heel for the next better half of a decade. Then he can move on and maybe work a program with Roman Reigns "for respect" or something depending on what Lesnar, Rollins and company are up to. It's got the potential to be a whole new world for Cena if he loses to Owens. For sure interesting.
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Post by CF9™ on Jul 2, 2015 2:25:11 GMT -5
The "Cena can't wrestle" mindset is stubborn and an outdated way of thinking. He's the best worker in the WWE right now.
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