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Post by Angel Beast on Apr 24, 2018 5:00:01 GMT -5
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 24, 2018 8:22:04 GMT -5
I think the new Venom trailer looks ing awesome. Tom Hardy and Riz Ahmed come off great. The cast is fire. I got goosebumps when he lit up in the suit at the end. I'm definitely going to see it.
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Post by Joel on Apr 24, 2018 9:32:01 GMT -5
Not going to lie, the new Venom trailer looks pretty damn good.
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Post by Kidd4ever on Apr 24, 2018 12:01:32 GMT -5
I don’t get all the hate on the movie. I think it looks awesome and just cause spider man isn’t in it supposedly every one is gonna hate on it. I think it will be a good movie.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 24, 2018 13:50:47 GMT -5
I don’t get all the hate on the movie. I think it looks awesome and just cause spider man isn’t in it supposedly every one is gonna hate on it. I think it will be a good movie. The problem people have is that Sony made a deal to partner with Marvel Studios, only to then decide to make their own “spider-verse” w/out Spider-Man being in it. Amy Pascal, one of the heads of Sony, then decided to say that this movie would be cannon within the MCU, which forced Feigie to have to backtrack her dumb comments. Had Sony simply waited a few years, the Symbiote would have been introduced into the MCU. Sony literally could sit back and watch the money role in while Marvel Studios did all the heavy lifting. Instead, the same company that brought us Spider-Man 3 and TAS2 decided to go off on their own again and rewrite he entire characters history. I’m not getting my hopes up for this. Sony has a pretty bad record since Spider-Man 3 and if rumors are true, we will only see Venom fully for the last 5 minutes. Sony really doesn’t care about the characters, unlike those in charge of the MCU. Sony simply wants to make money, and if they can grab a decent chunk of change the first few weeks that this is out then they’ll continue with these Spider-Man-less movies.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 24, 2018 14:54:19 GMT -5
My issue with Feige is he's treating the situation like he's doing Sony a favor. Which in some regards is true, but Spider-man being apart of the MCU is a bigger deal for Disney than it is Sony, who could continue to pump out solo films despite their ineptitude and still make tons of money. I expect to see Holland in this film, or at worst, see him mentioned pretty frequently in order to tie Venom to Spider-man. Disney is leasing Spider-man from Sony. Spider-man still belongs to Sony and so they have leverage with this first one. I know I'm the minority but I thought Homecoming was a giant pile of sh*t, outside of Keaton's actual performance. I preferred Garfield's second movie to it. I think Spider-man 2 and Amazing Spider-man are still the best installments by a pretty comfortable margin. So for me, Disney isn't doing anything so special with Spider-man that I'm totally turned away from Sony trying to create additional landscape in the Spider-verse. Not to mention, and nobody likes to talk about the MCU having weaknesses, but their track record for villains is bad. Even if Sony does close their eyes, take a swing, and luckily knock one out of the park (primarily because look how ing talented the cast is for this movie) at least it will be for a character in Venom who totally deserves it. So for me, that's the kind of risk I like to see happen. 10 year old me would absolutely kill to get Carnage and Venom in the same space. I can only hope it delivers at this point.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 24, 2018 15:14:07 GMT -5
My issue with Feige is he's treating the situation like he's doing Sony a favor. Which in some regards is true, but Spider-man being apart of the MCU is a bigger deal for Disney than it is Sony, who could continue to pump out solo films despite their ineptitude and still make tons of money. I expect to see Holland in this film, or at worst, see him mentioned pretty frequently in order to tie Venom to Spider-man. Disney is leasing Spider-man from Sony. Spider-man still belongs to Sony and so they have leverage with this first one. I know I'm the minority but I thought Homecoming was a giant pile of sh*t, outside of Keaton's actual performance. I preferred Garfield's second movie to it. I think Spider-man 2 and Amazing Spider-man are still the best installments by a pretty comfortable margin. So for me, Disney isn't doing anything so special with Spider-man that I'm totally turned away from Sony trying to create additional landscape in the Spider-verse. Not to mention, and nobody likes to talk about the MCU having weaknesses, but their track record for villains is bad. Even if Sony does close their eyes, take a swing, and luckily knock one out of the park (primarily because look how ing talented the cast is for this movie) at least it will be for a character in Venom who totally deserves it. So for me, that's the kind of risk I like to see happen. 10 year old me would absolutely kill to get Carnage and Venom in the same space. I can only hope it delivers at this point. I wouldn’t say that Spider-Man being in the MCU is bigger for MS than Sony. It’s big for both sides, but it’s not like it only benefits MS. TAS2 was considered a bomb at the box office ( it made a lot of money, but nowhere near what analysts were projecting). Sony had driven the characters drawing power down over the course of 15 years due to oversatuation, two terrible movies and one underwhelming movies. Yes they could have continued making their own Spider-Man movies, but based on the intake of the two Garfield movies, things didn’t look positive for a huge upswing at the box office for TAS3. They needed something like Spider-Man in the MCU to help rehab the brand and drawing power of the character, which is what happened with Civil War and Homecoming. Again, this isn’t saying that MS haven’t benefitted from being able to us Spider-Man. He’s arguably been their most talked about character since the deal was made public. He’ll be one of their big anchors going into Phase 4 and beyond. Both sides have benefitted big time from the deal, but had it not been made, there’s a very good chance we could have been in the middle of another reboot with TAS3 likely to bomb at the box office after underwhelming intakes from the first two movies.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 24, 2018 16:17:59 GMT -5
My issue with Feige is he's treating the situation like he's doing Sony a favor. Which in some regards is true, but Spider-man being apart of the MCU is a bigger deal for Disney than it is Sony, who could continue to pump out solo films despite their ineptitude and still make tons of money. I expect to see Holland in this film, or at worst, see him mentioned pretty frequently in order to tie Venom to Spider-man. Disney is leasing Spider-man from Sony. Spider-man still belongs to Sony and so they have leverage with this first one. I know I'm the minority but I thought Homecoming was a giant pile of sh*t, outside of Keaton's actual performance. I preferred Garfield's second movie to it. I think Spider-man 2 and Amazing Spider-man are still the best installments by a pretty comfortable margin. So for me, Disney isn't doing anything so special with Spider-man that I'm totally turned away from Sony trying to create additional landscape in the Spider-verse. Not to mention, and nobody likes to talk about the MCU having weaknesses, but their track record for villains is bad. Even if Sony does close their eyes, take a swing, and luckily knock one out of the park (primarily because look how ing talented the cast is for this movie) at least it will be for a character in Venom who totally deserves it. So for me, that's the kind of risk I like to see happen. 10 year old me would absolutely kill to get Carnage and Venom in the same space. I can only hope it delivers at this point. I wouldn’t say that Spider-Man being in the MCU is bigger for MS than Sony. It’s big for both sides, but it’s not like it only benefits MS. TAS2 was considered a bomb at the box office ( it made a lot of money, but nowhere near what analysts were projecting). Sony had driven the characters drawing power down over the course of 15 years due to oversatuation, two terrible movies and one underwhelming movies. Yes they could have continued making their own Spider-Man movies, but based on the intake of the two Garfield movies, things didn’t look positive for a huge upswing at the box office for TAS3. They needed something like Spider-Man in the MCU to help rehab the brand and drawing power of the character, which is what happened with Civil War and Homecoming. Again, this isn’t saying that MS haven’t benefitted from being able to us Spider-Man. He’s arguably been their most talked about character since the deal was made public. He’ll be one of their big anchors going into Phase 4 and beyond. Both sides have benefitted big time from the deal, but had it not been made, there’s a very good chance we could have been in the middle of another reboot with TAS3 likely to bomb at the box office after underwhelming intakes from the first two movies. I don't dispute any of this. I just think Feige needs to work with them on this kind of stuff. It's not fair from Sony's side to sit back and do nothing with the property it owns while Disney is sucking up every dime at their expense. I know that's what fans seem to want but that doesn't make sense from a business perspective. If Venom does well, imagine how well it's going to be for Holland's Spider-man 2 or 3 in the clash between Peter and Eddie/Cletus. You don't have to waste time on origins. You can jump right into the thick of a story. So that's where I would rather see collaboration. Sony has the right idea if they can use Spider-man sparingly in Venom and then do a full blown face-off in a Spider-man film. People are just automatically taking the MCU side because of that track record, which is warranted, but they're working together because Sony is allowing the situation to take place.
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Post by disorder on Apr 24, 2018 18:58:52 GMT -5
It’s not like it going to be that successful.
After venom, I could see Disney getting involved
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 20:08:19 GMT -5
Got my tickets for the girl and I to see Infinity War thursday night. I am so ready for this movie.
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Post by bad guy™ on Apr 24, 2018 22:54:37 GMT -5
I'll just drop this in here so all my bases are covered. I made an Avengers thread for spoilers the first week or two after it comes out. Leave this thread for normal discussion and don't post anything about the new movie till that thread goes away. Slightly inconvenient I know, but I remember the Star Wars issue and I don't want that to happen again.
Lets people talk Marvel in here and Avengers in there till it just hits so mainstream the spoiler thread isn't necessary anymore.
That said, if you post spoilers in here before that thread goes, you're getting a warning or worse.
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Apr 25, 2018 20:49:36 GMT -5
No spoilers. What. A. Film.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Apr 25, 2018 21:20:42 GMT -5
My issue with Feige is he's treating the situation like he's doing Sony a favor. Which in some regards is true, but Spider-man being apart of the MCU is a bigger deal for Disney than it is Sony, who could continue to pump out solo films despite their ineptitude and still make tons of money. I expect to see Holland in this film, or at worst, see him mentioned pretty frequently in order to tie Venom to Spider-man. Disney is leasing Spider-man from Sony. Spider-man still belongs to Sony and so they have leverage with this first one. I know I'm the minority but I thought Homecoming was a giant pile of sh*t, outside of Keaton's actual performance. I preferred Garfield's second movie to it. I think Spider-man 2 and Amazing Spider-man are still the best installments by a pretty comfortable margin. So for me, Disney isn't doing anything so special with Spider-man that I'm totally turned away from Sony trying to create additional landscape in the Spider-verse. Not to mention, and nobody likes to talk about the MCU having weaknesses, but their track record for villains is bad. Even if Sony does close their eyes, take a swing, and luckily knock one out of the park (primarily because look how ing talented the cast is for this movie) at least it will be for a character in Venom who totally deserves it. So for me, that's the kind of risk I like to see happen. 10 year old me would absolutely kill to get Carnage and Venom in the same space. I can only hope it delivers at this point. It is a bigger deal to Sony. Disney made Ant-Man and Doctor Strange and Guardians of the Galaxy huge franchises. They made Iron man a billion dollar character. If Spiderman isn't in Avengers, it still makes 1.3 billion. Amazing Spider Man 2 had such a drastic drop in global totals. People didn't care anymore. Sony absolutely needs Disney more than Disney needs Sony. For me also, ASM2 is one of the biggest piles of crap in the genre, Batman and Robin level bad
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Post by JokerFC on Apr 26, 2018 4:30:55 GMT -5
It got the better of me & I went to a midnight showing & holy crap Infinity War is an epic. EPIC.
I nearly had to be helped out of the Cinema......like an effin zombie today in work but Christ it was worth it. 2nd viewing again at 17:20.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Apr 26, 2018 6:57:33 GMT -5
You're welcome.
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Post by bigshab421 on Apr 26, 2018 7:32:41 GMT -5
I don’t get all the hate on the movie. I think it looks awesome and just cause spider man isn’t in it supposedly every one is gonna hate on it. I think it will be a good movie. But it's going to be absolutely stupid to start the Venom story without Parker/Spiderman. They are connected and need each other, imo, for the story to work and be successful. If they end up tying Venom into the MCU, then f*** me, I'd be giddy with surprise.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 26, 2018 9:39:09 GMT -5
I don’t get all the hate on the movie. I think it looks awesome and just cause spider man isn’t in it supposedly every one is gonna hate on it. I think it will be a good movie. But it's going to be absolutely stupid to start the Venom story without Parker/Spiderman. They are connected and need each other, imo, for the story to work and be successful. If they end up tying Venom into the MCU, then f*** me, I'd be giddy with surprise. The MCU is littered with origin stories that don't match the comics. Not to mention, the symbiote picks Eddie first in Ultimates. The movie could simply start with Eddie after he has an obsession with Spider-man. At which point, they can show him following the Daily Planet without having to feature anything more than pictures/video clips of Spider-man because Eddie is on the other side of the country. So the relationship with Parker and an obsession with Spider-man would be preexisting to the film. Then, the symbiote picks Eddie, morphs him into Venom based on Eddie's unhealthy obsession with Spider-man and after his transformation is complete, he heads back to New York to hunt his obsession. At which point, they can do a story (new Spider-man film) where the symbiote turns Parker and do the entire Spider-man 3 story over again with a better launching point, and in Venom's case a much, much, better actor. I will be super shocked if Holland doesn't make a cameo, though. Venom is too good of a character to not utilize on the MCU side.
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Post by bigshab421 on Apr 26, 2018 12:39:49 GMT -5
But it's going to be absolutely stupid to start the Venom story without Parker/Spiderman. They are connected and need each other, imo, for the story to work and be successful. If they end up tying Venom into the MCU, then f*** me, I'd be giddy with surprise. The MCU is littered with origin stories that don't match the comics. Not to mention, the symbiote picks Eddie first in Ultimates. The movie could simply start with Eddie after he has an obsession with Spider-man. At which point, they can show him following the Daily Planet without having to feature anything more than pictures/video clips of Spider-man because Eddie is on the other side of the country. So the relationship with Parker and an obsession with Spider-man would be preexisting to the film. Then, the symbiote picks Eddie, morphs him into Venom based on Eddie's unhealthy obsession with Spider-man and after his transformation is complete, he heads back to New York to hunt his obsession. At which point, they can do a story (new Spider-man film) where the symbiote turns Parker and do the entire Spider-man 3 story over again with a better launching point, and in Venom's case a much, much, better actor. I will be super shocked if Holland doesn't make a cameo, though. Venom is too good of a character to not utilize on the MCU side. Which is why I can't believe they didn't just sell it to Marvel Studios, let them do it and collect the cash without doing any work. If this bombs or is bad, it is just going to make the Venom character unusable until the next reboot of Spiderman
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 26, 2018 15:42:50 GMT -5
The MCU is littered with origin stories that don't match the comics. Not to mention, the symbiote picks Eddie first in Ultimates. The movie could simply start with Eddie after he has an obsession with Spider-man. At which point, they can show him following the Daily Planet without having to feature anything more than pictures/video clips of Spider-man because Eddie is on the other side of the country. So the relationship with Parker and an obsession with Spider-man would be preexisting to the film. Then, the symbiote picks Eddie, morphs him into Venom based on Eddie's unhealthy obsession with Spider-man and after his transformation is complete, he heads back to New York to hunt his obsession. At which point, they can do a story (new Spider-man film) where the symbiote turns Parker and do the entire Spider-man 3 story over again with a better launching point, and in Venom's case a much, much, better actor. I will be super shocked if Holland doesn't make a cameo, though. Venom is too good of a character to not utilize on the MCU side. Which is why I can't believe they didn't just sell it to Marvel Studios, let them do it and collect the cash without doing any work. If this bombs or is bad, it is just going to make the Venom character unusable until the next reboot of Spiderman Yeah, I'm with you there. That would really, really, suck.
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Post by marino13 on Apr 26, 2018 16:56:27 GMT -5
I said before, that if this Venom movie tanks, I don't see Marvel using the symbiote for a very long time. Seeing Infinity War here in an hour. Excited, nervous, and scared all at the same time. Just realized my opinion on the Venom movie was deleted. Odd. Didn't say anything horrible.
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