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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 11:05:32 GMT -5
I'd be happy with Bulldog as the replacement DM.
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Post by popyduggan on Jul 29, 2015 11:10:08 GMT -5
I feel sort of bad for Bill, he probably had another handful of Hogans planned that we didn't know about, I'm speculating DM Hollywood would've been the first of many nWo Hogans in 2016. I imagine his head's still spinning, working on fill-ins for all of them atm.
Maybe something cool will come from this bump in the road and we'll be able to vote on replacement characters. This still sucks, I was looking forward to the shirt and workout gear figures, suppose I'll just make some crappy customs.
WWE should just give him a Juan Cena type of comeback as Bayley's uncle, Hank Huggin', equal-opportunity snuggler.
And while we're talking about missed opportunities, Flashback '96 Goldust, pretty please? It's kind of a bummer that all these new Goldusts we're getting after the first drought are the current look, which is about 90% black plastic with gold trim. A bright gold and silver Goldust w/ gold strap IC title would be a hit, or at least a good Ringside exclusive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 11:16:42 GMT -5
Here's my custom, all I really need is some ToyBiz accessories, it's not the best. But I'm okay with how it turned out.
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Post by n2jib on Jul 29, 2015 11:17:29 GMT -5
I'm wondering if bill is more upset than us regarding this. Maybe he's sobbing in the corner or something? i hope he's doing fine.
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Post by JKLMD2002 on Jul 29, 2015 11:39:12 GMT -5
I'd be pretty pissed if I were Bill, especially for knowing (right or wrong) Mattel was going to get some heat and second-guessing from some of their decisions.
Hogan and a lot of these big stars can probably sell tons of variants (a WWE WM18 Hollywood would be just different enough to get fans who only want a WWE version Hollywood for example), but I hope this is a bit of a warning that these legends are unpredictable. Look at the drama with Piper. Better to go nuts with the biggest looks and trust their fanbase is more than extensive enough to get the cash back on repaints and less obvious attires.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 11:44:39 GMT -5
You have to remember that the first Hogan (DM) hit shelves 6 months ago. Bill planned Hollywood exactly 1 year from the first Hogan release. It's not like he waited as long between Legends Slaughter and HOF Slaughter. You really can't blame him, no one saw this coming. If Bill put out all those attires we want in 12 months where can they really go with Hogan for the next few years? ... then they can make things like the American Made and WM9 Hogans. And also stuff like WCW Hogan, WM1/red-shirt Hogan, different versions of NWO and Still Rules Hogans... they were never going to run out of attires(!). This.. Hogan had sooooooooo many different looks. nWo should have been one of the first ones.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Jul 29, 2015 13:29:00 GMT -5
... then they can make things like the American Made and WM9 Hogans. And also stuff like WCW Hogan, WM1/red-shirt Hogan, different versions of NWO and Still Rules Hogans... they were never going to run out of attires(!). This.. Hogan had sooooooooo many different looks. nWo should have been one of the first ones. Exactly. Hogan had about 3 pairs of trunks in the 80's, and a few attires as Hollywood, but if they gave us a different shirt every time, you'd sucker a new buyer every time. Because Hogan had a million shirts, and a couple of street/workout attires, like WM9 and WM4, in addition to his main attires.
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Post by slamtyro on Jul 29, 2015 13:58:03 GMT -5
Maybe there were already some hogan figures made and undergoing packing. These might end up as rejects and sold in the underground markets subsequently like how jeff hardy did. Look out for China taobao.com ... they might just surface there some time soon. LOL.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jul 29, 2015 14:44:25 GMT -5
I don't wanna insult anyone at Mattel but how many times can they make these stupid mistakes. Everyone wanted Hollywood hogan,it should of been out.mattel didn't even really make the perfect hogan. They killed the legends line the first time by doing the same thing and giving us attires people didn't want or remember. Here we go with defining moments Bill tries too hard to be different. Sometimes it's just better to keep it simple and give people what they want. Instead of just putting out Jimmy Snuka the way everyone wanted him, Bill decided that an obscure attire nobody wanted or remembered was the way to go. 5 years later we still don't have a proper Jimmy Superfly Snuka. Bill decided to put out that horrible Sgt. Slaughter Legends figure as well, because his iconic look is in Army colors, Bill decided to be radical and do an attire that I don't even know where it's from? It took 5 years to correct that mistake in the HOF line at Target. Bill botched all of the Hulk Hogan figures. Like you said, they never actually gave us a Hogan that is the way everyone remembers him. Signature Series, WM Basic, and Elite 34 were essentially the same attire of current Hulk Hogan. Basic 48 and DM were the same attire as well (WM3). HOF2 was Wrestlemania 9 for some reason, I don't know of all Hogan's attires why they would choose that? So at the end of the day, we never got an early 90's Hogan, we never got Hollywood Hogan, and we never got 2002 Hulk Still Rules. Bill needs to stop trying to save the big attires to build suspense. Obscure and forgotten attires are just going to sit on the shelves and disappoint people. The first figure Mattel released should have been an early 90's Hogan. That should have been in the regular Elite line as a Flashback instead of Elite 34. Then, DM should have been Hollywood Hogan. Then, Hall of Fame Series 2 should have been 2002 Hulk Still Rules. Then, if they wanted to do "current" Hulk Hogan, they still could have kept Signature Series and WM31. Hell, even Basic 48 could have stayed the same. But DM, Elite 34, and HOF2 were major attire botches by Bill. I'm going to say the DM/first figure being WrestleMania III Hogan was a good choice. it's an iconic moment, and captures his mid-80's hulkamania look nicely. THAT SAID... the HOF figure should've 2002 Hulk Still Rules (for chrisskaes, it's on the packaging!), with Hollywood being the E34 FB (it came with as many accessories as the DM Hollywood, just remove one shirt and add the weighlifter belt instead), and still keep the American Made one the RSC exclusive ( I like it a lot). so at this point we'd only be losing WM IX, late 80's Hulk Rules, and WCW red and yellow as far as iconic looks go.
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Post by Vamp55 on Jul 29, 2015 16:09:07 GMT -5
What irritates me the most about all of this is we get a definitive no from twitter and bill couldn't address this himself to us. At least say yeah... No hogan, but as a way to make it up I have so and so coming out in his place now. Agreed... Wouldn't kill him to throw his hardcore fans a bone every once in a while.
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Post by brianregan09 on Jul 29, 2015 16:45:59 GMT -5
I think the reason Bill hasn't come on here is simple , This forum or site on a whole has the mentality of a ten year old child . When we get great figures the likes of E36 Ambrose , Or even Luke Harper from the last line-up people bitch and moan about it , For years since the line started we've all wanted Hulk Hogan figures the only issue was he wasn't signed with WWE
The minute he signed we got Hogan figures out the ass , No one and I mean no one could have seen what was going to happen with this racist crap maybe someone like Scott Hall or Jake Roberts you might think crap lets do what we can while the going is good, But Hogan has been fairly clean cut the majority of his career all people on here care about is there collections (which is fare enough), But you have to think of it from Bill and Mattel's perspective they obviously had a plan set out to make the most money possible out of Hulk Hogan merchandise , Sure the collectors matter...to an extent at the end of the day Mattel run a business so without knowing the ends and outs of said business not one person on here has any right to question there decisions when it comes up to line ups and stuff
this forum is so quick to critisice Bill , Mattel and everyone else and throw there toys out of the pram . I'm surprised that they even bother posting on here sometimes you're all like a bunch of children at the best of times . How anyone can blame Mattel for Hulk Hogans problems is ridiculous , We got some fantastic Hogan Figures and I do believe this will blow over but until then lay off the red bull or whatever and stop giving Bill and Mattel crap because without them there is no Line for you to complain about
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Post by qdogg on Jul 29, 2015 16:48:06 GMT -5
If and when Hogan repairs his image he will still have to be resigned to a legends deal again and DM's will probably be 30 bucks each by then as well. That will suck.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jul 29, 2015 16:55:19 GMT -5
What irritates me the most about all of this is we get a definitive no from twitter and bill couldn't address this himself to us. At least say yeah... No hogan, but as a way to make it up I have so and so coming out in his place now. The way people treat Bill around here when they don't get everything they want, I wouldn't blame him if he never posted on here again. The complaints in the SDCC thread this year alone, were a huge disgrace to the wrestling figure community. It's not really treating bill any way as much as it is the position Bill is in. No one hates him or thinks he does a bad job but everyone has their wants and ideas and sometimes doesn't agree with him. Their is nothing wrong with it at all. I don't think Bill has any problems with critisism. It's part of his job. If he made something blue and your favorite color is green you wouldn't like it and would complain, same thing with figures.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Jul 29, 2015 17:21:03 GMT -5
The way people treat Bill around here when they don't get everything they want, I wouldn't blame him if he never posted on here again. The complaints in the SDCC thread this year alone, were a huge disgrace to the wrestling figure community. It's not really treating bill any way as much as it is the position Bill is in. No one hates him or thinks he does a bad job but everyone has their wants and ideas and sometimes doesn't agree with him. Their is nothing wrong with it at all. I don't think Bill has any problems with critisism. It's part of his job. If he made something blue and your favorite color is green you wouldn't like it and would complain, same thing with figures. It's like when crap happens in a country the president makes a statement. In this case something happened and we expect a statement of some sort from our leader. Not asking much. Just address it and let us know about some future plans. It's in their best interest to do so for the sake of us continuing to buy their products. MattelDesignTeam
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Post by jacguitarist on Jul 29, 2015 17:21:36 GMT -5
As pissed as I am about losing WCW Hollywood, I'm admittedly more upset about the fact that I STILL don't have a Python Power Hogan. How neither Jakks or Mattel got to do this look is infuriating since I consider that MY definitive Hulk Hogan.
Hulk still Rules, WM 18, and Mr. America were all must haves for my collection, granted I would have bought any and all looks that would have been made.
I received my American Made Hogan in the mail today. I had been holding off getting it, not for lack of wanting it, but because I thought I had plenty of time to do so. It was such a bittersweet moment opening up that mailer box from RSC and seeing that figure in there, knowing that it maybe the last Mattel Hogan I ever buy...it just flat out sucks. I know it's easy to be frustrated with Mattel for purposely holding off on nwo Hogan, but there's no way they could have predicted this. And you could see that their first year making Hogan was dedicated to red & yellow, but it's still a bitter pill to swallow nonetheless.
I'm still holding out hope that Hogan will be back soon. With any luck if and when he does, Mattel can pick right up where they left off.
Until then, I'm still grateful that I can at least say I have Hulk Hogan in my collection.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jul 29, 2015 17:45:27 GMT -5
It's not really treating bill any way as much as it is the position Bill is in. No one hates him or thinks he does a bad job but everyone has their wants and ideas and sometimes doesn't agree with him. Their is nothing wrong with it at all. I don't think Bill has any problems with critisism. It's part of his job. If he made something blue and your favorite color is green you wouldn't like it and would complain, same thing with figures. It's like when crap happens in a country the president makes a statement. In this case something happened and we expect a statement of some sort from our leader. Not asking much. Just address it and let us know about some future plans. It's in their best interest to do so for the sake of us continuing to buy their products. MattelDesignTeam I agree 100% with you. I think they should of showed their face regardless of what ppl say
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Post by Vamp55 on Jul 29, 2015 18:06:44 GMT -5
I think the reason Bill hasn't come on here is simple , This forum or site on a whole has the mentality of a ten year old child . When we get great figures the likes of E36 Ambrose , Or even Luke Harper from the last line-up people bitch and moan about it , For years since the line started we've all wanted Hulk Hogan figures the only issue was he wasn't signed with WWE The minute he signed we got Hogan figures out the ass , No one and I mean no one could have seen what was going to happen with this racist crap maybe someone like Scott Hall or Jake Roberts you might think crap lets do what we can while the going is good, But Hogan has been fairly clean cut the majority of his career all people on here care about is there collections (which is fare enough), But you have to think of it from Bill and Mattel's perspective they obviously had a plan set out to make the most money possible out of Hulk Hogan merchandise , Sure the collectors matter...to an extent at the end of the day Mattel run a business so without knowing the ends and outs of said business not one person on here has any right to question there decisions when it comes up to line ups and stuff this forum is so quick to critisice Bill , Mattel and everyone else and throw there toys out of the pram . I'm surprised that they even bother posting on here sometimes you're all like a bunch of children at the best of times . How anyone can blame Mattel for Hulk Hogans problems is ridiculous , We got some fantastic Hogan Figures and I do believe this will blow over but until then lay off the red bull or whatever and stop giving Bill and Mattel crap because without them there is no Line for you to complain about I get ur point, but IMO u got a couple of things wrong. Firstly, while I think a lot of people are pissed re: Hollywood, most are saying that NWO was a more deserving release then say a WM9. And while Mattel may have had a sound plan, it has fallen apart and people are allowed to be pissed off. Another issue is that MDT hasn't even come on here and posted anything. While they Are likely flat out trying to fill gaps, they always have time to ask us a question when they need some ideas or guidance (some companies pay for that they get it for free) Lastly - ur point about without Mattel and Bill there is no line... I couldn't disagree more, last time I checked consumers buy products and without consumers their is no line... There is no doubt - this is not Mattel's fault. They could have never know what was going to happen, but I think it has highlighted some fustraightions collectors are having.
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Post by Chip on Jul 29, 2015 18:09:56 GMT -5
Me = Seth Rollins Mattel = Dean Ambrose
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Post by wrestlingdelorean on Jul 29, 2015 18:25:33 GMT -5
How dare Mattel and Bill not be able to predict the future.
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Post by NikeGuy on Jul 29, 2015 18:27:10 GMT -5
Me = Seth Rollins Mattel = Dean Ambrose Turn your anger towards WWE. This whole fiasco is so blown out of proportion. WWE should have suspended hogan for 90 days without pay.
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