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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 1:34:54 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Aug 28, 2015 2:10:21 GMT -5
I dont watch smackdown or the others shows bar NXT, but I dont see the need to get rid of it because I dont watch it, I'm sure there are thousands of people who do watch, as as far as I know they make money from the shows so... No there is no logical reason to can a whole show, because the IWC dont watch haha
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 28, 2015 3:24:55 GMT -5
Without the TV rights fees, they'd probably go out of business. So no, they'd be worse off.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Aug 28, 2015 5:46:51 GMT -5
From a story telling standpoint... Maybe? Money; probably not.
I miss it on Fridays.
Sure from a story standpoint SD has been pretty pointless for a long time, but they often still put on great matches.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 7:43:14 GMT -5
No. I see no reason in getting rid of it.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 28, 2015 8:05:22 GMT -5
I don't watch Smackdown, so it really doesn't matter to me. That being said, I'm going to Smackdown on Tuesday because they're in town. I have to imagine they would stick to their live tour schedule regardless of Smackdown airing or not though. So, again, whatever is fine with me.
Also, it costs money to make a tv show, lots of money. With the ratings for Smackdown, and the low ad revenue that wrestling receives in general, I'd be curious to see how far in the black they are with, or without, Smackdown. The secondary shows airing overseas or on Saturday morning would be fine with me. Not really a factor to me personally but I always think wrestling should be available to kids, and grown ass men who enjoy delicious marshmallow-y cereal, on Saturday morning.
I think the major point here is that the wrestlers as a whole are over exposed. They all wrestle every week, often times in PPV quality matches, and WWE just can't present us with anything fresh and fill 3-5 hours of TV every week. It's a problem, it's been a problem, and I think it will continue to be a problem for the foreseeable future. Brock Lesnar is the most over guy in the company. In part because he's an animal and has been booked as such, but also in large to the fact that he's only on the show for sporadic periods of time, which is very territory style in nature.
Raw is still 3 hours though. Even without all the other tv we get every week, you still have to fill 3 hours of show every Monday night. Which is going to lead to giving your audience two or three high quality matches in order to fill up time, which makes what you see on PPV less special. I mean hell, Raw was better than SummerSlam this week imo. It's a weird time for WWE.
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Post by The Future on Aug 28, 2015 9:35:36 GMT -5
Nah, people can just not watch shows they're tired of. I never watch Main Event or Superstars or whatever the hell they call themselves now.
RAW, NXT and SD! are a good balance of programming for me weekly. SD! just needs to be made relevant again and I think WWE will try for that when it moves over to USA.
SD used to be my favorite show over RAW, from the days of 99-00 when it first debuted to the brand split when SD! was the true A-show for in ring product. I know WWE will always invest more in RAW because it gets higher ratings and is the flagship, but we shouldn't write off the importance of giving workers who get less exposure air time or having a second show that doesn't revolve solely around 'zomg!' segments (because RAW only features really 1-2 good MATCHES per week).
I think over-saturation was when we had RAW, SD, Jakked/Metal, HEAT, Tough Enough, then Velocity, etc.
Now, you can pick and choose what you want to watch. I know some casual fans will never watch NXT, but for me, most weeks NXT is appointment viewing and I could do without either RAW or SD (if it weren't for threadheading RAW).
Why eliminate a show that's a strong part of the brand? Just book it differently.
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Post by JC Motors on Aug 28, 2015 9:41:42 GMT -5
If WWE aired SmackDown live I would watch it
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Post by J12 on Aug 28, 2015 10:11:22 GMT -5
There's a couple of ways to look at it...
Overexposure is a huge problem right now. It's leading to burn-out with characters and feuds and disinterest from the audience, which in turn lowers ratings and makes WWE question their decisions to move forward with new talent. By removing several hours of programming a week, you present an easy solution to talent's overexposure, which, in turn, should make things more interesting. The hope is that leads to better ratings, and a better overall product.
On the flip side, WWE gets a ton of money out of their TV deals and sponsorships. Less TV = less money, and that's a bad thing for a publicly traded company whose ultimate goal is to appease their stock holders with more cash.
The question - and there's really no answer to this - is whether or not the uptick in product quality theoretically achieved by cutting back on weekly programming would lead to higher ratings and renewed interest, which in turn would generate better TV deals/earnings and stronger sponsorships.
Until WWE can comfortably predict that they can match or improve upon current profits by cutting back on TV, there's not a chance they'd even entertain the thought.
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Post by T R W on Aug 28, 2015 10:43:31 GMT -5
I think the quality of the programming would be much better off. There is too much out there. As it is, I only watch RAW, PPVs, and NXT PPVs. Everything else isn't really worth the time, and honestly is just too much. I never liked it when WCW added Thunder or when WWF added Smackdown. Too much of a good thing and it just waters down the product to me.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 28, 2015 10:46:57 GMT -5
I'd much rather see the brand split again. That way wrestlers get better writting and, the bigger picture, the good wrestlers can get pushed without crowding the push pool.
This would bring back the Heavyweight Title for Smackdown. Raw gets IC title, smackdown gets US title, and the Tag Titles could be universal.
This would also allow NXT stars to cone on each episode for NXT Showcase matches to hype new custoners to subscribe and watch.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Aug 28, 2015 11:36:31 GMT -5
I'd love for there to be less wrestling, the business is more overexposed now than ever. A 3 hour weekly wrestling show alone is a terrible idea outside of the revenue, but to have another 2 hour show is just awful. As a kid we had a decent of amount of wrestling programs a week, but they were 1 hour on the weekends, with the exception of primetime with was more or less the Bobby/Gorilla show with matches mixed in. Saturday Night's Main Event once a month allowed us to see some quality matches, nothing of PPV caliber though with some exceptions.
Bottom line the point of wrestling shows in the 80's and into the 90's was to sell tickets and PPV's. Now TV is it's own monster because of how much revenue money is involved, but i think it creatively kills wrestling. Fundamentally wrestling TV shows while meant to be entertaining too, should really only exist to sell tickets to house shows and pay per views.
Now the game has clearly changed, and i don't blame WWE for taking the money, but it does compromise the creative aspect of storytelling. Everybody knows wrestling is better when it's moving at a slow consistent pace. I really do resent cable television in a lot of ways.
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Post by k5 on Aug 28, 2015 11:38:33 GMT -5
it's all i've watched other than ppvs for years now
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Post by slowgraffiti on Aug 28, 2015 12:15:35 GMT -5
it's all i've watched other than ppvs for years now I'm the same - since we don't get Raw live across the pond, I can never really be bothered watching the whole three hours of it, and by the time it's the weekend it's old news, I've read results and everyone's been talking about it all week. Maybe I'm a one-off, but being able to watch Smackdown at the weekends means I see all the important parts of Raw anyway, plus some extra matches, and still stay on top of storylines.
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Post by RV F'N D on Aug 28, 2015 12:42:46 GMT -5
Once upon a time it was a better show and I loved it. I'd like for it to matter again, but they don't put much effort into it. Sure it makes them money, or they wouldn't do it...but I'm sure if they gave a it could make them more. If they killed it now as is it wouldn't matter much at all. I really miss the brand split.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 12:51:04 GMT -5
I wish they would actually use it as, you know. It's own brand.
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Post by A-Rob on Aug 28, 2015 13:12:54 GMT -5
In a perfect world there would be a 2 hour Raw, NXT and PPV's but since WWE get's paid alot of money in TV rights fees for all there shows it would happen. If there is a brand split again Smackdown would become watchable again and necessary.
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Post by Plastic Cowboy on Aug 28, 2015 17:08:44 GMT -5
Again, I t is how they handle everything that is the problem. IF they did like the old nitros and focused on the main event for a few opening minutes and then focused on the low card and women in the first hour second hour get the mid card and lower mid card guys exposure and last hour focus on the upper mid card and main event guys ' they can buil stars have jobbers and continue story lines with ease. INSTead they just want to focus on the top guys and kill us us with top guy recaps all show long. Use this format on smackdown too and let main event and superstars be the lower card guys and rookies to show off their skills ect.
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Post by cripplercrossface on Aug 28, 2015 18:45:27 GMT -5
Smackdown was good from 1999 to 2004.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Aug 28, 2015 21:46:25 GMT -5
No. Cutting RAW back to 2 hours would be better even if it won't happen.
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