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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Dec 2, 2015 18:21:52 GMT -5
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Dec 2, 2015 18:30:46 GMT -5
There's no proof either way that this will be good or bad for the UK.
Although my gut feeling is that dropping bombs will only increase the risk of retaliation terrorist attacks in Britain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 18:35:48 GMT -5
Fighting ISIS, I agree with.
Bombing innocent people in the vain hope that you'll actually achieve something, I don't agree with. This is NOT the answer. War is never the answer.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 2, 2015 18:43:29 GMT -5
Well done UK'ers...Well done!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 18:48:08 GMT -5
Well done UK'ers...Well done! We don't support this. None of us do. It's wrong, so very very wrong. Cameron does whatever the he wants. We had no say in this.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 2, 2015 19:00:53 GMT -5
Well done UK'ers...Well done! We don't support this. None of us do. It's wrong, so very very wrong. Cameron does whatever the he wants. We had no say in this. Fighting Islamic Terrorism isnt wrong. What happened in New York, Paris, Madrid and even London can happen anywhere. It could be your parent, sibling, spouse that is sending you a text saying "pray for us" as someone is shooting or blowing up a train, building or whatever. You simply cant talk peace to people that have it set in their minds that "everyone against us must die". By no means am I saying that is what every Muslim who follows Islam believes but its the interpretation that these wackos have taken. And the idea of "we're just going to bomb a bunch of innocent civilians" just simply isnt accurate. Will there be some innocent casualties? Im sure there will be however its not like the military is going to specifically bomb schools, hospitals and villages. Unlike ISIS, most coalition forces use strategic bombing methods. They're going to take out oil wells, base camps, fuel tankers etc.
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Post by Markw on Dec 2, 2015 19:14:01 GMT -5
Fighting ISIS, I agree with. Bombing innocent people in the vain hope that you'll actually achieve something, I don't agree with. This is NOT the answer. War is never the answer. As much as I wish I could agree that war is never the answer, I'm not at all convinced. Was war against the Nazis & PNF not the answer in 1939? I think you'd be hard pressed to make a case that the world would be a better place today if Britain had not involved itself in that war. We do not live in an ideal world, the fact is that there are groups out there slaughtering innocent people and there is no easy way to combat that. It's an incredibly difficult decision and I don't envy the people who've had to vote on it. I'd like to side with those in favour of a peaceful resolution to the situation, but I've not been convinced that there is one and on balance I think this is probably the right decision, the UK should be committing to tackling a regime committing genocide and so blatantly violating the rights of people just like us. I think the majority of us aren't in a position to know how effective bombing campaigns can be but I like to think that our MPs are fairly well informed and have every reason to believe extending bombing to Syria can be effective. To paint either side of the debate immoral when MPs have clearly struggled over this decision and made it with the best of intentions isn't particularly helpful.
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Post by Dan on Dec 2, 2015 20:11:15 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling this will have huge ramifications on us as a Nation now. If we weren't a target already, we sure are now, it's only a matter of time. This is an ego trip at best, what good are our planes going to do that France, Russia etc's aren't already doing.
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Post by C Wrestling UK on Dec 2, 2015 20:46:42 GMT -5
I disagree with the bombing of innocent people
UK public should have a say in this
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 2, 2015 21:11:48 GMT -5
Why do people keep saying they're bombing innocent people. Which side are you on? The only people I see killing innocent people is ISIS.
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Post by GBGav on Dec 2, 2015 21:36:07 GMT -5
ISIS do not care who they kill and will happily murder innocents. We on the other hand actually have a conscience so we would rather not kill innocents in Syria. However, I am in favour of targeted strikes if it is absolutely beyond doubt that the area is only occupied by ISIS. Also, there are many places that have been occupied for a while and if there are any "innocents" still kicking around then how innocent can they really be? I would prefer a more tactical advance, such as boots on the ground picking off fighters.
But no matter what way we go about it, there will absolutely be retaliation attacks in this country. So do you stay out of it in order to protect your people at home? But by doing so you're basically saying to countries like the US, France and Russia that you're afraid to do the right thing and stand by them, and telling ISIS that they can do as they like because we don't care. You're screwed either way.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Dec 3, 2015 2:17:42 GMT -5
Good. Drop several bombs, or a nuke.
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Post by hellojoeivers on Dec 3, 2015 5:23:55 GMT -5
It's a really tough topic. I can't sit here and say bombing Syria is the wrong decision, because I don't have the answers or the solution
At the end of the day, ISIS DO need dealing with. We simply can't go forward with them existing as an entity
However, two things. One: By bombing Syria there WILL be innocent casualties and deaths. Now, frankly, as harsh as this may sound, if a small amount of innocent people must die so we can secure the safety of our nation and our allies, then so be it, HOWEVER (leading me to point....) Two: ISIS is EVERYWHERE. They are not a nation, they are a group. They're in Syria, they're in England, they're in the United States, they're in France. So is dropping bombs on Syria going to COMPLETELY wipe out the problem? No
Like I said though, I don't have the solution. Bombs may take out a portion of ISIS. Standing around with our thumbs up our asses will achieve nothing. Sending people in on the ground? I still don't know
All I can say is that this decision has put a big bulls eye on the people, and on the strength of that alone, I feel like a public vote should have been held on the matter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 17:21:18 GMT -5
We should stop butting our noses into other countries business! There has been nothing but unrest in these medieval, barbaric countries. Leave them to it. If they attack us, we should attack back, until then, no thanks!
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Post by wayneyb on Dec 4, 2015 17:03:14 GMT -5
ISIS should be wiped off the planet by whatever means necessary.
Absolute scum who have no regard for human life at all. They dont target political leaders or military bases or any 'legitimate' targets, they target aid workers, families on beach holidays, civilian aircraft, football stadiums, cafes, restaurants, concert halls, shopping centres etc... all to cause the maximum amount of carnage and death to innocent civilians.
Now I am sure our bombing raids will at some point cause civilian casualties in Syria/Iraq but we are not targetting them. ISIS have been known to store weapons, ammunition, fighters in schools and hospitals which just goes to show the type of people our Forces are dealing with.
We have always been targets of ISIS so any attacks in Britain would likely happen whether we were in Syria or not. I dread to think what kind of world my children and grandchildren will grow up in if they are not dealt with.
All the do-gooders would very quickly change their minds if their loved ones were victims in some mindless attack whilst out shopping in town or on a night out or on holiday. We are all targets to them.
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Dec 8, 2015 4:36:30 GMT -5
Noting is going to be resolved till the west addresses our relationship with Saudi Arabia.
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Post by thespecialone on Dec 8, 2015 7:52:37 GMT -5
We should stop butting our noses into other countries business! There has been nothing but unrest in these medieval, barbaric countries. Leave them to it. If they attack us, we should attack back, until then, no thanks! www.nato.int
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 7:57:59 GMT -5
We should stop butting our noses into other countries business! There has been nothing but unrest in these medieval, barbaric countries. Leave them to it. If they attack us, we should attack back, until then, no thanks! www.nato.intNATO is not something I recognise I'm afraid.
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Post by thespecialone on Dec 8, 2015 8:13:47 GMT -5
NATO is not something I recognise I'm afraid. Nato does recognise you though...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 8:19:14 GMT -5
NATO is not something I recognise I'm afraid. Nato does recognise you though... It definitely would. But why, that'd be telling
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