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Post by IRS on Jan 23, 2016 13:55:00 GMT -5
I mean seriously. Why would people assume that a wrestling company was just 'making stuff up' ? Because Dixie. And being butthurt that AJ would choose greener pastures over them.
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Jan 23, 2016 13:57:07 GMT -5
It's a bunch of he-said-she-said right but TNA is pretty damn stupid to admit contract tapering with Anderson (and maybe Gallows). Anderson's the only one that would count as contract tampering, even then if they signed letters of intent and given NJPW their notice, TNA is most likely clear of legal issues.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jan 23, 2016 13:57:49 GMT -5
Sounds like, if anything, they signed letters of intent. Which thousands of high school athletes do with colleges, but can still change their mind.
Also TNA is just dumb to bring this up. Even mentioning that this happened can have an effect on AJ's contract with WWE. What would they hope happens? WWE ends up not signing them and they crawl to TNA? I'm confused why they would do this. This type of negotiating happens everywhere. Entertainers with agencies, sports teams, the college example above, hell I've had agencies shop shows I'm finalizing contracts on to other promoters in town, etc. BUT NO ONE DRAGS IT OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE ADULTS AND THEY MOVE FORWARD.
TNA did not "get scammed". TNA got what happens when you don't make your scenarios seem viable to who you want. I get that certain people like TNA, but don't act like WWE slapped your mom over this. TNA is acting like what Dixie appears to be, a spoiled child.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jan 23, 2016 14:23:28 GMT -5
PWI got this from Behrens:
No contract was ever finalized nor signed by the parties.
That I would need to be involved in the contract process was known by TNA prior to my involvement and understood by them.
TNA and its 1st lawyer did not present in a timely fashion a contract that accurately reflected previous discussions at all. That created great concern tied to past experiences. In that time and prior there was other interest and there were other firm offers on the table and other discussions.
TNA was aware of other interest and various conflicts. TNA was aware a final contract was required. It was creating that contract and controlled that timetable. Too much time passed early on. Other things came into play. No contract was ever finalized with TNA.
To suggest I make any decision for my clients is to misunderstand my role and diminish the role each talent has in making their own decisions, and insults the talent in the process.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jan 23, 2016 15:27:19 GMT -5
If it was true that TNA had AJ scored, thats a huge loss for them. Not saying AJ would have been there saving grace, but that would have really given them a boost in a way IMO.
If TNA is lying, RIP Dixie and your reputation. It truly wasn't worth it.
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Post by Gone. on Jan 23, 2016 16:39:58 GMT -5
I mean seriously. Why would people assume that a wrestling company was just 'making stuff up' ? Because Dixie. And being butthurt that AJ would choose greener pastures over them. But she's never done this before. Assuming that the company is a singular person is the worst thing about this whole thing. And then those people are even proven wrong.
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Post by IRS on Jan 23, 2016 16:51:41 GMT -5
Because Dixie. And being butthurt that AJ would choose greener pastures over them. But she's never done this before. Assuming that the company is a singular person is the worst thing about this whole thing. And then those people are even proven wrong. They may not have done this before, but they've done scummy things in the past. The Jesse Sorrensen situation comes to mind. No way this gets released without Dixie's approval, and just a week or so ago she was whining about WWE "poaching" their talents. Not hard to believe she played a large part in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 16:58:40 GMT -5
But she's never done this before. Assuming that the company is a singular person is the worst thing about this whole thing. And then those people are even proven wrong. They may not have done this before, but they've done scummy things in the past. The Jesse Sorrensen situation comes to mind. No way this gets released without Dixie's approval, and just a week or so ago she was whining about WWE "poaching" their talents. Not hard to believe she played a large part in it. Don't forget their treatment of Roxxi and Daffney.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 23, 2016 18:31:42 GMT -5
It's a bunch of he-said-she-said right but TNA is pretty damn stupid to admit contract tapering with Anderson (and maybe Gallows). Anderson's the only one that would count as contract tampering, even then if they signed letters of intent and given NJPW their notice, TNA is most likely clear of legal issues. *squints*
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Post by specterkev on Jan 23, 2016 19:26:25 GMT -5
I will.... AJ is just as bad bailing on his deal.. but no..you marks cannot defend the TNA .. oh no..it's cool to trash TNA Wrestling... "it's all TNA's fault for acting like this"..
but TNA should not have posted this...but AJ should honor his agreements..Both are in the wrong IMO...
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jan 23, 2016 22:06:18 GMT -5
I will.... AJ is just as bad bailing on his deal.. but no..you marks cannot defend the TNA .. oh no..it's cool to trash TNA Wrestling... "it's all TNA's fault for acting like this".. but TNA should not have posted this...but AJ should honor his agreements..Both are in the wrong IMO... Again, this sounds like he signed only a letter of intent, which is not a legal agreement. If that's really the case, and Behrens did state nothing official was ever signed, he doesn't owe them anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 22:17:09 GMT -5
Recap of Meltzer talking about the AJ/TNA situation
- TNA had been putting out a rumor that AJ was coming back to them, but Dave never reported on it because that was the only source for it. Dave did think Karl Anderson was coming to TNA, and probably Doc Gallows as well...until the Tokyo Dome thing happened where they gave notice.
- Dave says TNA and New Japan do not have good relations still. He doesn't know if it's over how TNA treated Okada or just TNA being inept. He does know that when the Dudleys were IWGP Tag Champs, TNA had them lose the titles in TNA and didn't even tell New Japan about it. Dave says John Gaburick wanted to settle everything between them.
- Dave brings up again that Karl Anderson was going to go to TNA. They offered him 200k a year, but he still was trying to keep his New Japan dates too. Says if Karl had his way he wanted to stay in New Japan, and while the TNA schedule wouldn't have precluded that, the NJPW/ROH relationship might have.
- Dave says that when TNA mentioned in their statement that TNA had already purchased plane tickets for AJ, Anderson and Gallows, that may or may not be true, but if so, none of the three were aware tickets were purchased for them, because they were still under the impression that they hadn't agreed to a deal. Just "agreed to negotiate a deal".
- Dave says TNA was aware that AJ was talking to everyone (WWE, ROH, TNA and New Japan) and that he was going to sign with whoever gave him the most money.
- Dave says he was told no contract was signed. He says AJ and co. were presented with something that basically was an agreement to negotiate a contract. Dave says there were things that AJ and friends agreed to with TNA, and when they got some kind of written paper, many of those things were no longer there. Dave says that's not uncommon though (And I know WWE wrestlers have complained about that).
- Bryan gets Dave to reiterate that they had not signed a finished contract, but just agreed to negotiate. Dave says there were still deal terms all three needed to negotiate with TNA, so nothing was finished yet. Dave has heard from their side that TNA was slow getting back to them, Dave doesn't know if that's true of if it was just a matter of WWE getting to them, but he does know that all three officially broke off negotiations with TNA around Christmas.
- Dave says this is complete speculation on his part, but he says everyone is guessing that the reason TNA put out the press release was to try and put heat on AJ Styles, and maybe get WWE to think he's untrustworthy, maybe f*** him out of the Royal Rumble.
- Dave says that the story about the Bullet Club guys leaving New Japan because they were pissed that New Japan wasn't giving them a cut of t-shirt money is wrong, and that they would've been happy to keep working New Japan for what they were making. He points out that they all want to stay on good terms with New Japan and that Karl Anderson is sticking around a little longer to do good business. Dave does go on to say that he believes that there probably was "some unhappiness" from the guys that they weren't getting t-shirt money, and that Dave will probably get a lot of heat for even saying that. He's heard hints of that, but he's also heard people even deny that. Dave kind of suggests that the Bullet Club T-Shirt money stuff has been floated by someone to try to spark bad feelings between them and New Japan.
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Post by IRS on Jan 23, 2016 23:00:08 GMT -5
From all accounts, it just looks like TNA is being a bitchy child because they didn't get their way.
If they cared so much about AJ, they wouldn't have let him walk in the first place.
There's zero way of looking at this, and saying it's AJ's fault for backing out of negotiations. He clearly got a better offer, and took it. TNA lost, and they're throwing a temper tantrum.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 23, 2016 23:39:26 GMT -5
After reading every thing from every side, i ageee thst whatever was signed was just an intent to negotiate later on. TNA is acting childish IMO by putting out a press release about it. I understand they are mad that the deal did not go down the way they thought, and they are right to be upset, but there's a professional way and a childish way to react and no surprise, Dixie picked the childish way which makes her look to everyone but the super TNA marks like an immature spoiled child. WWE gave them the better deal and they went with the better deal. I don't remember WWE complaining when James Storm went back to TNA after WWE offered him a contract and he chose TNA because they offered him the better deal. So while James Storm could go back if he wants to, TNA basically closed the dooe on those three, especially AJ
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jan 24, 2016 6:21:06 GMT -5
After reading every thing from every side, i ageee thst whatever was signed was just an intent to negotiate later on. TNA is acting childish IMO by putting out a press release about it. I understand they are mad that the deal did not go down the way they thought, and they are right to be upset, but there's a professional way and a childish way to react and no surprise, Dixie picked the childish way which makes her look to everyone but the super TNA marks like an immature spoiled child. WWE gave them the better deal and they went with the better deal. I don't remember WWE complaining when James Storm went back to TNA after WWE offered him a contract and he chose TNA because they offered him the better deal. So while James Storm could go back if he wants to, TNA basically closed the dooe on those three, especially AJ As much as I hate to admit it, I think this is just a part of TNA trying to be the Scuttlebutt in pro wrestling. Timing is obvious, but by mentioning AJ and the BC they now are a hot topic in the wrestling world. Regardless good or bad, they did it for that reason. While I certainly understand their frustration, its not exactly "best for business" to be releasing stuff like that public. If Meltzer or someone else had released it as opposed to TNA I think people would give TNA less Chocolate Shark.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jan 24, 2016 17:47:46 GMT -5
TNA got scammed, they're complaining about it and now they're somehow the villains? Come on. I seriously can't get my head round your blind defence of TNA. Fair play if it's your favourite wrestling show, but at least be rational. I own a company, and I have a bunch of people interviewing for a job I'm advertising next month. If I pick one and they tell me they're looking forward to working for me, but then get offered more money elsewhere after only signing a letter of intent with me and decide to take that job, I have no right to have a paddy about it because that's how business works. If I then went onto my website and posted an article telling everyone about it, I'd look completely pathetic. How can you possibly think that TNA putting this on their site is excusable? Whether AJ was right to shaft them or not, this is totally unprofessional and makes the company look like it's ran by a team of children.
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Post by C Wrestling UK on Jan 24, 2016 21:45:36 GMT -5
Wow
But can I just say... TNA would of been much more interesting with AJ, Anderson and gallows
TNA are wrong to issue this kind of statement, they could of said it much differently and still got press out of it
Aslong as TNA stay aggressive with offers though and get a few good signings, that's all they need
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Post by deskjet on Jan 24, 2016 23:49:20 GMT -5
Or...or...or Tna...you coulda just re signed aj to the deal that he wanted instead of throwing money at lashley, Mvp, the dudleys, or Claire lynch, then you wouldn't need to do this? Hmmmmm? Maybe something like that Tna? Hmmmmm?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 0:02:30 GMT -5
Nice try, TNA! How's it feel to know AJ made himself a bigger star than you ever did?
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Post by Evil Abed on Jan 25, 2016 0:04:14 GMT -5
TNA has been pathetic for years now.
Their treatment of folks like Roxxi and Jesse Sorenson, the bush league way they handle their internal problems through social media, and the quality of product they continue to attempt to feed viewers (i.e. constant reboots, booking that makes no sense, and the ever famous "huge surprises" dixie always has in store for us.
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