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Post by Midnight on Apr 17, 2016 1:28:45 GMT -5
I wish them the best of luck in their future endeavors. Pretty much this, they're not doing anything of meaning anyways.
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Post by Mox on Apr 17, 2016 1:33:22 GMT -5
Hypocritical of WWE. A complete joke actually. And indefensible in my opinion.
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Post by BulletV1 on Apr 17, 2016 5:10:44 GMT -5
They gotta suspend one or two people a year just to make it seem like the testing is legit When they're not covering up Orton and his numerous suspensions. Lmao who tears their shoulder carrying a bag of trash. It is possible there was already a lot of wear and tear on his shoulder, then picked up the bag awkwardly. That little bit pushed an existing injury over the edge. It's entirely possible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 7:46:29 GMT -5
On WWE.com no less.WTF
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Post by dixol on Apr 17, 2016 8:28:13 GMT -5
It's hard to not agree. I remember we had this discussion/argument once before on this board. I'm of the opinion that if they were legitimately trying to get guys to not use harmful chemicals for health reasons, I'd care a lot more about the wellness policy in general. One could make the argument that if the schedule wasn't as demanding as it is, guys might not have to resort to drugs to stay a step ahead of the chop. I think PED's are banned for a few reasons. For one, although it is an artistic performance, it it very physical and athletic. Why is it illegal for a UFC fighter to use steroids when they fight? Because that fighter could legitimately hurt someone with the extra edge that PEDs give. Same with wrestlers, if they were all on steroids, there would be way more injuries than there even are now just because it would be that much more physical. And the main reason i can give an example for. Imagine if Cirque De Solei came out and said, "were artists so all our performers are allowed to do steroids". How would the public take that? It wouldnt be taken seriously with other gymnastic art performances, it would always be a subject of discussion, and it would just plain hurt the company. Same with WWE. I dont think they dont allow it because of their morals, they dont allow it for the same reasons they dont allow weed, blood, and horseplay with the boss. Public perception. It's illegal for UFC fighters because that's a legit competitive sport. You don't have to imagine what it would be like if all WWE performers were on the juice, it already happened. It's called the 80s. And they didn't have half the roster out on injuries. And actually had a more grueling schedule back then.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Apr 17, 2016 9:11:42 GMT -5
Did you see him at mania? When your that old and your body has been beat up for that long, working out and dieting does not make you look like you're 20 again. Vince, shane, H, and HBK all have the same vascular look right now. I'm sure they got some top grade safe stuff from the same person/doctor. Meanwhile Vince, hbk, shane, hhh are all juiced to the max. Exactly how did you arrive at this conclusion? Shawn got thinner and thinner as his career came to a close. IIRC, he wasn't even lifting weights.
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on Apr 17, 2016 13:52:10 GMT -5
Shawn was on Russo's new podcast talking about getting into shape for Mania, pretty good listen and there's two parts. They talked about it in part 1. I'm not counting out any PED's and honestly it does seem likely, but what's on the podcast is the story he's going with.
This looks a lot worse for The Acenscion than it does for the social outcasts. Konnor and Viktor have been doing nothing but Adam Rose and the outcasts have been getting a push with fairly decent chunks of tv time since the new gimmick started so WWE must see some stock in what they're doing.
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Post by customania on Apr 17, 2016 17:42:14 GMT -5
I feel so sorry for Viktor as the outcasts could function without Rose, but now Viktor probably will have a 60 day break except for maybe Superstars or Main Event, it's a shame. I preferred Konnor of the two but as people I now prefer Viktor. Both Rose and Konnor are idiots and were lucky not to be released full stop, both aren't that relevant although they should be. If I were Viktor I'd be p*ss*d. I hope none are punished beyond a suspension because Konnor and Viktor could be one of the best tag teams if booked right and Rose is super talented, I hope none violate again as they'd be out.
I said it before but I'll say it again, poor Viktor.
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Post by customania on Apr 17, 2016 17:48:18 GMT -5
For serious though, I liked the Ascension in NXT. I don't know why they've been completely buried since joining the main roster. I feel like the Vaudevillains will be joining them in jobberville (just my hunch) but I hope I'm wrong. I think this too
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Post by cripplercrossface on Apr 17, 2016 17:50:57 GMT -5
So this pretty much confirms that we're never getting Ascension elites, right? ?
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Post by Mox on Apr 17, 2016 17:59:23 GMT -5
For serious though, I liked the Ascension in NXT. I don't know why they've been completely buried since joining the main roster. I feel like the Vaudevillains will be joining them in jobberville (just my hunch) but I hope I'm wrong. I think this too Vaudevillains have NO chance.
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Post by Edge618 on Apr 17, 2016 18:39:44 GMT -5
I think PED's are banned for a few reasons. For one, although it is an artistic performance, it it very physical and athletic. Why is it illegal for a UFC fighter to use steroids when they fight? Because that fighter could legitimately hurt someone with the extra edge that PEDs give. Same with wrestlers, if they were all on steroids, there would be way more injuries than there even are now just because it would be that much more physical. And the main reason i can give an example for. Imagine if Cirque De Solei came out and said, "were artists so all our performers are allowed to do steroids". How would the public take that? It wouldnt be taken seriously with other gymnastic art performances, it would always be a subject of discussion, and it would just plain hurt the company. Same with WWE. I dont think they dont allow it because of their morals, they dont allow it for the same reasons they dont allow weed, blood, and horseplay with the boss. Public perception. It's illegal for UFC fighters because that's a legit competitive sport. You don't have to imagine what it would be like if all WWE performers were on the juice, it already happened. It's called the 80s. And they didn't have half the roster out on injuries. And actually had a more grueling schedule back then. They werent wrestling at the same level either. In WWF it was all headlocks and punches, tests of strengths. A body slam or hip toss used to be the big spot moves in a match in the 80s.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Apr 17, 2016 19:33:14 GMT -5
It's illegal for UFC fighters because that's a legit competitive sport. You don't have to imagine what it would be like if all WWE performers were on the juice, it already happened. It's called the 80s. And they didn't have half the roster out on injuries. And actually had a more grueling schedule back then. They werent wrestling at the same level either. In WWF it was all headlocks and punches, tests of strengths. A body slam or hip toss used to be the big spot moves in a match in the 80s. That is a very narrow view. It sounds like the only 80s match that you've seen was the Warlord vs Hercules.
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Post by Evil Abed on Apr 17, 2016 19:36:06 GMT -5
So not to defend Konnor or anything but theres a report out there saying his 1st suspension was in 2006 before the wellness policy was even announced.
Seems messed up when they let guys like Batista and Orton slide continuously but someone who's first offense was a decade ago still has a strike against him.
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Post by JC Motors on Apr 17, 2016 19:36:43 GMT -5
So this pretty much confirms that we're never getting Ascension elites, right? ? I was just thinking about that at work today. I have their BP and I'm fine with that
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Post by Edge618 on Apr 17, 2016 20:16:25 GMT -5
They werent wrestling at the same level either. In WWF it was all headlocks and punches, tests of strengths. A body slam or hip toss used to be the big spot moves in a match in the 80s. That is a very narrow view. It sounds like the only 80s match that you've seen was the Warlord vs Hercules. Many Hall of Famers have said the exact same thing.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Apr 17, 2016 21:21:24 GMT -5
That is a very narrow view. It sounds like the only 80s match that you've seen was the Warlord vs Hercules. Many Hall of Famers have said the exact same thing. Maybe in reference to certain guys, but lumping the entire decade in such a way is just incorrect. Anyone who was a fan in the 80s will tell you that. I'll put my opinion over that of "several" nameless hall of famers any day, especially those paid to tow the company line.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Apr 18, 2016 1:43:16 GMT -5
They gotta suspend one or two people a year just to make it seem like the testing is legit When they're not covering up Orton and his numerous suspensions. Lmao who tears their shoulder carrying a bag of trash. It's been common knowledge for over 10 years that Orton has hypermobile shoulder joints. He's had countless shoulder injuries. It's not that far fetched.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 18, 2016 1:54:37 GMT -5
Did you see him at mania? When your that old and your body has been beat up for that long, working out and dieting does not make you look like you're 20 again. Vince, shane, H, and HBK all have the same vascular look right now. I'm sure they got some top grade safe stuff from the same person/doctor. Exactly how did you arrive at this conclusion? Shawn got thinner and thinner as his career came to a close. IIRC, he wasn't even lifting weights. Well, that's a leap in logic to be sure. HBK looked a little better at WM than he did 6 years ago, but he's still has the muscle mass of a normal man. That's hardly a reason to suspect juicing. Shane looked older than Undertaker, so I'm not sure what you mean by "looking 20". Vince and HHH? I hope neither of them is reckless enough to be 'roiding at their respective ages, but it's impossible to rule it out.
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Post by King Silva on Apr 18, 2016 2:37:12 GMT -5
So not to defend Konnor or anything but theres a report out there saying his 1st suspension was in 2006 before the wellness policy was even announced. Seems messed up when they let guys like Batista and Orton slide continuously but someone who's first offense was a decade ago still has a strike against him. I read that as well and find it odd they would make it retroactive. And Apparently Rose's 1st violation was never revealed or something which is why some were wondering why he was on strike # 2. Either way they should both be suspended but 60 days is pushing it especially for Konnor.
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