Deleted
Joined on: Apr 25, 2024 11:39:19 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 18:19:36 GMT -5
Austin and Rock are up there right behind Michaels in figure popularity, but the others I disagree with because there's way less Hogan/Flair generation collectors left here, and as far as Cena goes, his popularity is with casual/child/retail fans, not hardcore online collectors between the ages of 22-36 demographic. You said Michaels was the most popular wrestler. He's not. Rock, Austin, Hogan, Cena, & Flair are miles above him in popularity. If Michaels drew as good as he wrestled, he'd be in contention for that title; he didn't draw From 1993-96, WWE suffered due to the steroids scandal/WCW/and a thin roster...but Michaels, Bret, and Taker had to carry the company with no help during a slow period in wrestling, so of-course there not gonna draw boom period numbers. Lets not forget that HBK started the attitude era, had he not been hurt, he'd have enjoyed the ride of success and would've exceeded Austin and Rock's popularity in the late '90's early '00's...but as of 2016, Michaels is more popular than Rock and Austin because of his longevity and his body of work. BTW, I feel Michaels figures are more popular than those two as well. |
|
|
|
Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Apr 28, 2016 21:39:47 GMT -5
You said Michaels was the most popular wrestler. He's not. Rock, Austin, Hogan, Cena, & Flair are miles above him in popularity. If Michaels drew as good as he wrestled, he'd be in contention for that title; he didn't draw Bad logic. Undertaker has drawn more than Roman Reigns could ever dream of but he's been out of title contention for years. Shawn spent most of his second WWE run putting other guys over, yet still staying relevant to the title picture, which is a testament to his greatness. There comes a point where a belt doesn't really matter much for certain wrestlers. Shawn didn't even need a title run in 02 but he got it. Short but sweet. As far as figures go, I have never ever had a problem finding any of the guys you named. And the reaction from Comic Con several years ago to Elite 19 HBK was stronger than any figure of any of those guys including Hogan. Only Hollywood Hogan could hit or surpass the hype levels that this Network and Elite 19 HBK got. And that would be due mainly to the controversy surrounding it. Not the WWE title. The title of most popular wrestler ever |
|
Deleted
Joined on: Apr 25, 2024 11:39:19 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 21:57:23 GMT -5
Bad logic. Undertaker has drawn more than Roman Reigns could ever dream of but he's been out of title contention for years. Shawn spent most of his second WWE run putting other guys over, yet still staying relevant to the title picture, which is a testament to his greatness. There comes a point where a belt doesn't really matter much for certain wrestlers. Shawn didn't even need a title run in 02 but he got it. Short but sweet. As far as figures go, I have never ever had a problem finding any of the guys you named. And the reaction from Comic Con several years ago to Elite 19 HBK was stronger than any figure of any of those guys including Hogan. Only Hollywood Hogan could hit or surpass the hype levels that this Network and Elite 19 HBK got. And that would be due mainly to the controversy surrounding it. Not the WWE title. The title of most popular wrestler ever Well I don't know where you draw the conclusion that Shawn didn't draw that much. Nobody was drawing in the mid 90s. Shawn is one of the few who kept WWE alive then. His popularity started to surge after that. One can only imagine how much he would have grown had he not gotten injured. But even in his second run, he had a plethora of accomplishments. He main evented several Wrestlemanias. He was a main event draw from 2002 all the way to his retirement. Stone Cold only had about 4 good years. Same with the Rock. They were gone by the end of 2003. Flair hasn't been relevant in decades. Cena is the big guy now I'll give you that. But I guarantee if Shawn faced him now Shawn would have the audience behind him more than Cena. |
|
|
|
Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Apr 28, 2016 22:12:20 GMT -5
Not the WWE title. The title of most popular wrestler ever Well I don't know where you draw the conclusion that Shawn didn't draw that much. Nobody was drawing in the mid 90s. Shawn is one of the few who kept WWE alive then. His popularity started to surge after that. One can only imagine how much he would have grown had he not gotten injured. But even in his second run, he had a plethora of accomplishments. He main evented several Wrestlemanias. He was a main event draw from 2002 all the way to his retirement. Stone Cold only had about 4 good years. Same with the Rock. They were gone by the end of 2003. Flair hasn't been relevant in decades. Cena is the big guy now I'll give you that. But I guarantee if Shawn faced him now Shawn would have the audience behind him more than Cena. But Cena would sell more merch, and that is how popularity is measured in wrestling |
|
Deleted
Joined on: Apr 25, 2024 11:39:19 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 22:57:38 GMT -5
Well I don't know where you draw the conclusion that Shawn didn't draw that much. Nobody was drawing in the mid 90s. Shawn is one of the few who kept WWE alive then. His popularity started to surge after that. One can only imagine how much he would have grown had he not gotten injured. But even in his second run, he had a plethora of accomplishments. He main evented several Wrestlemanias. He was a main event draw from 2002 all the way to his retirement. Stone Cold only had about 4 good years. Same with the Rock. They were gone by the end of 2003. Flair hasn't been relevant in decades. Cena is the big guy now I'll give you that. But I guarantee if Shawn faced him now Shawn would have the audience behind him more than Cena. But Cena would sell more merch, and that is how popularity is measured in wrestling Soo because Cena sold tons of hats and wristbands, he's the greatest wrestler of all time? Riiiight.  |
|
|
|
Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Apr 29, 2016 6:49:17 GMT -5
But Cena would sell more merch, and that is how popularity is measured in wrestling Soo because Cena sold tons of hats and wristbands, he's the greatest wrestler of all time? Riiiight. The argument was for most popular wrestler, not best |
|
Deleted
Joined on: Apr 25, 2024 11:39:19 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 12:45:56 GMT -5
Soo because Cena sold tons of hats and wristbands, he's the greatest wrestler of all time? Riiiight. The argument was for most popular wrestler, not best You keep contradicting yourself. You said Flair was miles above HBK in popularity. I seriously doubt Flair has sold anywhere near the merchandise that HBK as. That is your argument right? |
|
|
|
Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Apr 29, 2016 13:13:50 GMT -5
The argument was for most popular wrestler, not best You keep contradicting yourself. You said Flair was miles above HBK in popularity. I seriously doubt Flair has sold anywhere near the merchandise that HBK as. That is your argument right? If I just say Austin is the most popular wrestler and end this argument will you feel better? |
|
Deleted
Joined on: Apr 25, 2024 11:39:19 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 13:21:36 GMT -5
You keep contradicting yourself. You said Flair was miles above HBK in popularity. I seriously doubt Flair has sold anywhere near the merchandise that HBK as. That is your argument right? If I just say Austin is the most popular wrestler and end this argument will you feel better? But you started the debate when you expressed anger towards Shawn Michaels' white hot popularity here in regards to his countless threads. This all would've been a non-issue in the first place. |
|
Deleted
Joined on: Apr 25, 2024 11:39:19 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 13:44:16 GMT -5
I'd get all HBK elites! I don't care! HBK, Bret Hart, Warrior, Savage, and Jake "The Snake" Roberts. I will buy any and all attires!
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Apr 25, 2024 11:39:19 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 14:00:40 GMT -5
If I just say Austin is the most popular wrestler and end this argument will you feel better? But you started the debate when you expressed anger towards Shawn Michaels' white hot popularity here in regards to his countless threads. This all would've been a non-issue in the first place. Yeah he put himself into a corner and is now blaming me LOL. I wouldn't have even engaged in the discussion with him if I had seen his profile earlier. He wasn't even alive during HBK's first run. HBK's impact in wrestling is unprecedented. And what's even more interesting is that he could announce a return right now and would draw more attention than anyone on the current roster. And to top it off, he could wrestle better than any of them too. There are 3 categories in defining a wrestler. Their look, their promos, and their wrestling ability. Hogan had the look and promos, and 0 wrestling ability. Stone Cold had the promos, decent wrestling ability, and a rather bland look. The Rock was killer on promos, good wrestling ability, and okay on his look. HBK is the only wrestler ever who was completely phenomenal in all 3. Amazing promo ability. Memorable attire throughout his career. And his wrestling ability was as good as anyone bar none. I legit feel sorry for anyone who is in denial about that. |
|
cmjeff
Mid-Carder
Joined on: Apr 14, 2014 12:56:28 GMT -5
Posts: 406 
|
Post by cmjeff on Apr 29, 2016 14:06:59 GMT -5
WM 14 is one of my top 5 favorite figures. I like the new one also, but that headscan looks a little goofy to me. So I prefer WM 14
|
|
