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Post by Edge618 on May 1, 2016 7:45:07 GMT -5
I looooove how people just say "HHH conrols NXT, Vince controls Raw" and "everything bad is Vince and everything good is HHH". We just sat through 6 months of one of the worst builds and feuds in Mania history, centered around the man himself that everyone is praising. Would love to see what HHH would do with an NXT class of Cena, Reigns, Orton, Batista etc. Lets start giving the talent more credit. They take chicken s*** and turn it into chicken salad. Not HHH or Vince. The power lies with the talent, always has.
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Post by tenup on May 1, 2016 8:13:35 GMT -5
Bret is such a kid. Still have love for him though.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 9:03:20 GMT -5
I looooove how people just say "HHH conrols NXT, Vince controls Raw" and "everything bad is Vince and everything good is HHH". We just sat through 6 months of one of the worst builds and feuds in Mania history, centered around the man himself that everyone is praising. Would love to see what HHH would do with an NXT class of Cena, Reigns, Orton, Batista etc. Lets start giving the talent more credit. They take chicken s*** and turn it into chicken salad. Not HHH or Vince. The power lies with the talent, always has. The roster are the ones who wrestle, yes, but Vince and HHH decide why they are doing it, where their character is going, and basically everything else. The talent, except maybe Cena, Undertaker, and a couple of others, have zero say in what goes on with their booking. They just take what they're given.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on May 1, 2016 12:07:58 GMT -5
“I’m always happy to be proven wrong, but I’ve never seen any real genius come from Triple H yet. I sound like I’m always knocking him, but it seems like he’s quick to push the great wrestling to the side and push the bodies, guys who have [good] physiqueBo Dallas, Sami Zayn, KO and now Samoe Joe. You might be right about some things Bret, but you are wrong about this. And how about not doing an interview where you say you really don't want to be at the PPV this weekend, but you are just doing it for Nattie. Sometimes just STFU. 4 examples against two decades of booking decisions, does not the best argument, make.
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Post by cableV on May 1, 2016 12:51:49 GMT -5
“I’m always happy to be proven wrong, but I’ve never seen any real genius come from Triple H yet. I sound like I’m always knocking him, but it seems like he’s quick to push the great wrestling to the side and push the bodies, guys who have [good] physiqueBo Dallas, Sami Zayn, KO and now Samoe Joe. You might be right about some things Bret, but you are wrong about this. And how about not doing an interview where you say you really don't want to be at the PPV this weekend, but you are just doing it for Nattie. Sometimes just STFU. 4 examples against two decades of booking decisions, does not the best argument, make. Neither does having the inability to understand the topic of conversation. Triple H has been booking NXT for 20 years?
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Post by JC Motors on May 1, 2016 15:12:29 GMT -5
So they can go back to paying $65 for the PPV from their cable provider? I guess you missed the sarcasm of my post. Bret Hart is always talking sh*t about how bad WWE is and how bad Triple H is, even though WWE is PAYING him to work for them. So instead of promoting the PPV and trying to get people to subscribe to the Network, since Bret is a negative Nancy about the WWE, it would make sense if he tried to get people to CANCEL the WWE Network....because it's opposite of what WWE would want. LOLZ I find it funny that he's still employed when he badmouths WWE. He sounds like he should be a writer for them
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on May 2, 2016 1:03:33 GMT -5
4 examples against two decades of booking decisions, does not the best argument, make. Neither does having the inability to understand the topic of conversation. Triple H has been booking NXT for 20 years? I misread the statement. Never ing mind, then. But my point applies to the WWE as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 5:43:26 GMT -5
I looooove how people just say "HHH conrols NXT, Vince controls Raw" and "everything bad is Vince and everything good is HHH". We just sat through 6 months of one of the worst builds and feuds in Mania history, centered around the man himself that everyone is praising. Would love to see what HHH would do with an NXT class of Cena, Reigns, Orton, Batista etc. Lets start giving the talent more credit. They take chicken s*** and turn it into chicken salad. Not HHH or Vince. The power lies with the talent, always has. The roster are the ones who wrestle, yes, but Vince and HHH decide why they are doing it, where their character is going, and basically everything else. The talent, except maybe Cena, Undertaker, and a couple of others, have zero say in what goes on with their booking. They just take what they're given. You've just proved his point. Vince and HHH decide why they're doing it. And they never give us a reason, except in the cases of guys like Cena and Undertaker. What you're essentially saying is that the guys who can call their own crap are the only people worth watching, because everyone else (who Vince and HHH are in charge of) have no direction, a complete lack of decent storylines, and are only getting over based on their workrate. Workrate that Vince and HHH really don't have any control over.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 5:59:19 GMT -5
The roster are the ones who wrestle, yes, but Vince and HHH decide why they are doing it, where their character is going, and basically everything else. The talent, except maybe Cena, Undertaker, and a couple of others, have zero say in what goes on with their booking. They just take what they're given. You've just proved his point. Vince and HHH decide why they're doing it. And they never give us a reason, except in the cases of guys like Cena and Undertaker. What you're essentially saying is that the guys who can call their own crap are the only people worth watching, because everyone else (who Vince and HHH are in charge of) have no direction, a complete lack of decent storylines, and are only getting over based on their workrate. Workrate that Vince and HHH really don't have any control over. That's not what I said. I said that Cena and Undertaker can pick and choose who they feud with, but the others have their opponents selected. Of course Vince and HHH decide why they're doing it. They're in charge.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2016 6:30:09 GMT -5
You've just proved his point. Vince and HHH decide why they're doing it. And they never give us a reason, except in the cases of guys like Cena and Undertaker. What you're essentially saying is that the guys who can call their own crap are the only people worth watching, because everyone else (who Vince and HHH are in charge of) have no direction, a complete lack of decent storylines, and are only getting over based on their workrate. Workrate that Vince and HHH really don't have any control over. That's not what I said. I said that Cena and Undertaker can pick and choose who they feud with, but the others have their opponents selected. Of course Vince and HHH decide why they're doing it. They're in charge. Exactly. And Cena and Undertaker are among the only people who are EVER in meaningful feuds and programs.
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Post by ⋔ 4 ℞ ℞ $ on May 3, 2016 16:58:01 GMT -5
Maybe H has more say than we think. I don't know, but Bret seems to think he does. Precisely, plus with a niece & her husband in the business, as well as seeing for himself, he definitely knows a lot more behind the scenes stuff than any of us do! It was quite evident when tuning into the live stream of the Axxess tour with Trips & Steph that he was more informed & hands-on than she, whereas she handles the business aspects. Not to mention people are under this mentality that due to some admittedly awesome things happening in NXT, especially in regards to the "reinvented" or reinvigorated Women's Division, there's just going to simply be a carry over throughout all of WWE when the time comes, since it's Paul's baby, so to speak. Well, as is naturally the case in a marriage, let alone one to a family with historical lineage, plenty of McMahon rubs off on Levesque too, just as the latter rubs off onto the former (for the better in the opinion of the masses), so it all evens out in the end. In other words, in my humble opinion, when it all comes right down to it come "Crunch Time" Mr. Levesque, as per usual, shall bow down to the bloodline legacy of the overriding McMahon voice present in the entity that is Stephanie. The future owner/co-owner, what have you, who people in the know (a la Bret Hart) realize is a daughter who's undeniably produced by Daddy Vincent Kennedy. Whereas Shane, as common knowledge also would have it as well, is much more like Linda apparently. Speaking of whom, he will likely have a heavy say if he chooses to continue being involved in the future, since the recent return, which signals better times ahead (or so we're told). Thus, there again, it's still two McMahon voices to one Levesque even if Vince & Linda are out of the picture, once they're deceased, not to sound morbid or anything, but we all know that's what it'll take to remove the current Chairman/Owner from the throne. So while Shane's voice being heard by that point in time may be of EQUAL importance for once along with "Daddy's Little Girl" aka "The Billionaire Princess" and could mean very splendid things for the fans, the fact remains to be reiterated that Levesque will continue being trained & molded to be more & more like a McMahon every day, beyond what we probably could even imagine. I typically envision him bowing down daily as we speak, much the same as the original Hunter Hearst Helmsley American Blue Blood character during each entrance upon his initial arrival to the company. Additionally, it's not like Triple H is "Best For Business" either as we've witnessed, and we're all well aware of how he looks out for himself just as much, if not ten times more so than anyone else he may assist in "making it to (/in) the big time" as they say. I don't need to include the laundry list of examples for anyone who has tuned in over the past couple decades. The dude obviously has a huge ego still to this day that is about as big as his nose, a piece of cartilage that isn't quite as crooked as his tie was though, during that infamous interview from back in the day. I'll grant him that much, at least!
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Post by marino13 on May 3, 2016 18:44:05 GMT -5
Bret had this to say about his meeting with Triple H at Payback...
"We met and we talked but it was nothing special. If anything it was just more about our health. We had some more laughs than anything about Ric Flair and stuff like that. Triple H was very cordial to me and treated me like a million bucks. He treated me great and I have no complaints about anything. He treated me really good and so did Stephanie for that matter. With Stephanie I felt that she was honestly or genuinely worried about me when I had the cancer. I think she was just really glad to see me. Maybe it was the same with Triple H. That can never be a bad thing. I sensed a lot of sincerity there on everyone’s part. From Vince down to Triple H to Shane. Shane was very gracious and had some really nice things to say about me that I had forgot about. I was a very protective guy of Shane years ago when he was just a young guy in the business. I looked out for him a lot and I think it was nice for him to tell me that. That he never forgot how much I looked out for him and protected him from a lot of the vices and evils that were lurking about in pro wrestling."
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Post by theMOESIAH on May 4, 2016 18:43:23 GMT -5
“I’m always happy to be proven wrong, but I’ve never seen any real genius come from Triple H yet. I sound like I’m always knocking him, but it seems like he’s quick to push the great wrestling to the side and push the bodies, guys who have [good] physiqueBo Dallas, Sami Zayn, KO and now Samoe Joe. You might be right about some things Bret, but you are wrong about this. And how about not doing an interview where you say you really don't want to be at the PPV this weekend, but you are just doing it for Nattie. Sometimes just STFU. Exactly. Plus he praises NXT, which is HHH's show. I think he's way off base here.
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on May 5, 2016 19:11:51 GMT -5
Clearly Bret doesn't understand the financial aspects of a commercial brand such as Wrestlemania if he can't see how or why wwe has pulled in big names for the show and elevated them up the card. One you read the name Natalya, you know exactly where he is coming from. Bret says some fairly delusional stuff these days...
And yeah, triple h sure is all about the bodies by hiring Samoa joe, zayn, balor, Owens, nakamura, etc...
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Post by theMOESIAH on May 6, 2016 12:26:59 GMT -5
WrestleZone Radio proudly presents the latest episode of The Sharpshooter Show w/ Bret “The Hitman” Hart. A new episodes is released every Tuesday! Each episode also features his sons Blade & Dallas as well as WrestleZone Radio’s Nick Hausman as the co-hosts. You can find some of Bret’s comments from the episode transcribed below. Subscribe to WrestleZone Radio on iTunes On what it was like being backstage with WWE again at Payback: On F4WOnline.com’s report that Bret talked with Triple H for a half an hour backstage before the show: Related: “Chicago Screwjob” Finish Plans, Bret Hart and Triple H Talk, More on Ryback’s Current WWE TV Status This episode features Bret and his sons Blade & Dallas talking to WrestleZone Radio’s Nick Hausman about a variety of topics including: -What it was like for Bret to be backstage and working with WWE again at Payback -What his interactions with Triple H, Stephanie, Shane and Vince were like -Vince’s concern for Bret’s health and wanting to keep him limited in Natalya’s match -How the idea of “The Chicago Screw Job” came about -What the original plan was for Bret at the end of Natalya and Charlotte’s match -The WWE continuing to revisit The Montreal Screw Job -Charles Robinson getting to work with Ric Flair again -The atmosphere backstage at WWE Payback after Enzo’s injury -Ric Flair seemingly threatening a fight with Natalya on RAW -Charlotte’s concerns for her Dad and how much he’s willing to do in the ring -Whether or not it was difficult for Bret to put The Sharpshooter on Ric Flair -Blade & Dallas’ memories of Vince McMahon -Vince McMahon’s impressive food spread at WWE events compared to the catering that wrestlers get -Bret’s take on the tension between Shane and Stephanie McMahon backstage at WWE Payback -Ryback asking to be taken off the road by WWE and the recent outspoken comments he released about the way WWE pays and treats it’s talent -The way it was determined how much wrestlers got paid back when Bret was wrestling -Why Bret is still bitter towards Hulk Hogan to this day -Roman Reigns’ current presentation and advice that Bret has given him -Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn putting on a five-star match at WWE Payback -More… -This episode also features Bret giving his “4 Out Of 10” award of the week as well as answering questions from the #AskTheHitman mailbag. Read more at www.wrestlezone.com/news/705109-bret-hart-on-catching-up-with-triple-h-we-had-more-laughs-than-anything-about-ric-flair-talks-preparing-for-match-with-natalya-more#ZVoSMf0aicFGpDeP.99
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on May 6, 2016 12:31:41 GMT -5
Just makes me more convinced his HHH hate is just for show.
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Post by marino13 on May 6, 2016 12:42:47 GMT -5
I had posted part of this a few days ago in the Bret Hart thread. But both of them are two of my top 3 favorites, so I'm glad to hear the mending has begun.
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Post by marino13 on May 6, 2016 13:03:52 GMT -5
WrestleZone Radio proudly presents the latest episode of The Sharpshooter Show w/ Bret “The Hitman” Hart. A new episodes is released every Tuesday! I'm gonna merge this with the other thread. No point in two nearly identical threads on the front page.
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