mrassbillygunn
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Post by mrassbillygunn on May 4, 2016 18:37:24 GMT -5
How do we know that? Someone should go and find the interview because it made sense. I believe he said the tassels were too thin to do correctly, whereas the Macho Man's tassels were bigger. Here was Bill's reasoning... These are images of a pre-production sample. Most of our official images are from such samples, which are the last ones I review before they are finalized.Sometimes I am able to catch late errors before production, as with the Renee Young figure. The boots are being changed to be more accurate. The 1st run will be the laced boots. The rest of the run will be corrected boots. Jacket being molded was an aesthetic decision based on the facts 1) Sting's arm streamers were much thinner and more numerous than Macho Man's. If I used a SG jacket he would have streamers the same size as Macho Man's, which I did not want (they have to be a certain size to avoid choking hazards, no way around it). 2) I would also have lost the epaulets on the shoulders. If I would have produced a SG jacket with wide arm streamers and no shoulder epaulets I would have heard the feedback as well I am sure. Why would he lose the epualets on the shoulders? I dont understand. I still think streamers the same size as Machos would look better if not entirely accurate. As for choking hazards...how do you choke on streamers attached to a jacket? Ive seen much more likely choking hazards with accessories like dumbells etc. People arent trying enough to argue their points with Bill, they just accept his reasoning with no argument.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 4, 2016 18:45:02 GMT -5
Defying moments figures are expensive and meant to be high quality so it's ridiculous that they can't manage a coat which gives the figure more articulation.
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Post by Mr. #1derful® on May 4, 2016 18:47:42 GMT -5
I wish they could incorporate swappable/extra arms like the BAF or Create A Superstar lines for people with jackets. You'd keep the detail of the plastic jackets but still be able to move the arms.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 18:49:05 GMT -5
I wish they could incorporate swappable/extra arms like the BAF or Create A Superstar lines for people with jackets. You'd keep the detail of the plastic jackets but still be able to move the arms. This. Totally this. Including alternate jacketed arms is genius.
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Post by doubled on May 4, 2016 18:49:50 GMT -5
I got my DM Sting from Ringside today. The boots have laces. My fault for not waiting to see one in the store with the correct boots.
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Post by PJ on May 4, 2016 19:02:53 GMT -5
Here was Bill's reasoning... Why would he lose the epualets on the shoulders? I dont understand. I still think streamers the same size as Machos would look better if not entirely accurate. As for choking hazards...how do you choke on streamers attached to a jacket? Ive seen much more likely choking hazards with accessories like dumbells etc. People arent trying enough to argue their points with Bill, they just accept his reasoning with no argument. I would think Bill knows more about the safety regulations than you or I. And personally I would have hated a bulky fabric jacket with DM Macho Man sized tassels and missing epaulets. The epaulets would probably be huge and bulky if they tried to add them as real tassels. That would have killed this figure for me. I see nothing wrong with it on my shelves. The jacket is fitted nicely to the figure and the arms are down enough to suit my needs.
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Post by ⋔ 4 ℞ ℞ $ on May 4, 2016 19:04:28 GMT -5
And how is the jacket even far off? It wasn't even a cloth jacket when he wore it. The cloth fetish is boring. I completely understand for actual cloth stuff, like for t-shirts or similar but not clothing that wasn't even cloth to begin with Not really totally on topic, but man, just seeing this Sting picture again makes me wish for something unreasonable. That is, in a fantasized action figure dream universe, I envision half the "American" Sting DMs being released as is, the GAB 1990 version, while the other half would be that face paint (w/stoic expression scan) from the event in the photo, which escapes me currently. Preferably, this would be done properly via waves. Obviously, the logistics of that are probably non-existent, but one can indulge in a reverie, no? I think it would beat the heck out of the "variant" boots ordeal, at least. But alas, my Toy Biz "Evolution Of Sting" Syxx Pac will have to do in lieu of make believe / my imagined idea. Back to reality though, I do genuinely think had Mattel found a way within budget & whatnot to include the WHC "big gold" belt, there might be a little bit less complaining from the disgruntled collectors out there. They might even be capable of overlooking the technicality of inaccuracy involved, as it'd be a mashup of pre-/post-match. However, that'd surely just present another new predicament to feed the fire & fan the flames. After all, not everyone can be appeased/pleased/pacified/satisfied. So I suppose there's always that burden for Mattel, if ya wanna deem it such a thing. Who am I kidding? They're still raking in the funds & laughing all the way to the bank, not to mention generally doing us all a great service in all actuality!
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Post by PJ on May 4, 2016 19:10:07 GMT -5
Pretty sure that was one of the War Games. I know he wore the GAB attire with a different face paint design at one (possibly two) War Games.
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Post by naparo01 on May 4, 2016 19:12:01 GMT -5
I was upset to see they went with a rubber jacket for him too. I initially had the expectation of cloth with elites but that has been scaled back. I remain to have the expectation for cloth with DM figures as they are the most expensive single figures in the WWE line. I don't expect cloth where cloth is un necessary (ex tshirt for no reason) but when it comes to something as iconic as this I expect cloth.
I am also disappointing about this same issue with the new Y2J exclusive. I mean he can't even be posed in the Jericho position while wearing the shirt.
That being said there is a group of people that appear to be anti cloth and like the rubber stuff. I disagree but they are out there.
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mrassbillygunn
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Post by mrassbillygunn on May 4, 2016 19:28:36 GMT -5
Why would he lose the epualets on the shoulders? I dont understand. I still think streamers the same size as Machos would look better if not entirely accurate. As for choking hazards...how do you choke on streamers attached to a jacket? Ive seen much more likely choking hazards with accessories like dumbells etc. People arent trying enough to argue their points with Bill, they just accept his reasoning with no argument. I would think Bill knows more about the safety regulations than you or I. And personally I would have hated a bulky fabric jacket with DM Macho Man sized tassels and missing epaulets. The epaulets would probably be huge and bulky if they tried to add them as real tassels. That would have killed this figure for me. I see nothing wrong with it on my shelves. The jacket is fitted nicely to the figure and the arms are down enough to suit my needs. To be fair it does look rather nice in along with those figures in that pic. No doubt Ill be buying it and thanks for clearing those questions I had.
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Post by justawrestlingfan on May 4, 2016 19:47:56 GMT -5
well, jakks 4 or 5 years ago could make it fabric, and now mattel with more advance tooler can't. simply budget, lower cost more profit. people still buy it anyway, its the character people wants for years, lets just cheap on it lol.
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Post by Sizzle on May 4, 2016 19:53:40 GMT -5
well, jakks 4 or 5 years ago could make it fabric, and now mattel with more advance tooler can't. simply budget, lower cost more profit. people still buy it anyway, its the character people wants for years, lets just cheap on it lol. It's also the economy that factors in. Earlier, elites were 14.99-16.99 and the prices have gone up.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 20:02:37 GMT -5
I have an idea, use the cloth version of the bash Sting jacket provided by Ralph's or Jakks, cut the bulky cloth collar off, and cut off and glue on the plastic collar and shoulder tassels on to the cloth one...I wonder how that would look. I'd like to see an attempt in the fix up thread of this idea. The Jakks jacket used for the RSC American Sting got the red and white stripes of the sleeve wrong. They should run the length of the arm (North/South) not across the arm.(East/West) Yes, the Jakks sleeves appear to be in an inaccurate longitude pattern(now that you've noticed it)but I was suggesting to the OP(since he hates plastic/rubber material), that he should use the clath Jakks or Ralph's Sting jacket and cut off that thick cloth collar, and replace it with the Mattel collar glued on to the cloth one.
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Post by PJ on May 4, 2016 20:17:34 GMT -5
well, jakks 4 or 5 years ago could make it fabric, and now mattel with more advance tooler can't. simply budget, lower cost more profit. people still buy it anyway, its the character people wants for years, lets just cheap on it lol. It's also the economy that factors in. Earlier, elites were 14.99-16.99 and the prices have gone up. That plus safty regulations change all the time. What might not been a safty hazard last year can be one today if there was some reported incident.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 20:27:32 GMT -5
Here was Bill's reasoning... Why would he lose the epualets on the shoulders? I dont understand. I still think streamers the same size as Machos would look better if not entirely accurate. As for choking hazards...how do you choke on streamers attached to a jacket? Ive seen much more likely choking hazards with accessories like dumbells etc. People arent trying enough to argue their points with Bill, they just accept his reasoning with no argument. Mattel safety guidelines are probably distinguished by brand and product..and probably have changed since that macho man. Theres no reason for people to argue with bill. This is his profession and his art. Not some dude getting virtual pats on the back in the custom thread. And as he said... People would complain either way.
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Post by jfinnomore on May 4, 2016 21:12:56 GMT -5
I'm more upset that it looks like wanderlei silva in sting make up, makes this one a pass for me
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Post by crush on May 4, 2016 21:40:26 GMT -5
I'll never understand why people fetishize cloth accessories. Sure, tee shirts look miles better that way. But almost anything heavily detailed looks terrible and ill-fitting in cloth IMO. For example, the Mattel Sting jacket looks miles better than the cloth Jacks version. The RSC exclusive Bret is another example that pops directly to mind. That jacket would never look good in cloth at this scale.
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Post by oneil4life on May 4, 2016 21:51:56 GMT -5
Mattel proved with the Macho Jacket they could do it properly and have it look great. I dont understand with this figure, everything about this figure is equivalent of a gloried Elite Figure, why are we paying $7-$8 more.... just because of packaging? I'm not a big fan of the rubber jackets, they are ok if your MOC collector, but for lose collectors I have no use for it (cause the arms are just always in an awkward position), and for kids (like my nephew) they tear them off and never put them back on because they are to tough. What if they did a macho like jacket but rather then having the separate tassels, you just make them look separate and have it actually one piece (like the rubber jacket has), you could simulate the the separate tassels with simple stitching.
I'm just confused why its being said that the tassels are a choking hazard when you look at something like the Barbie line, they come with half a dozen items that could be actual choking hazards in every pack. (Having a 6 year old and an infant i'm well aware of this fact).
If they have no intention on making the stuff (like these jackets or robes), I wish someone could get a license and sell it separately (legally)
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Post by justawrestlingfan on May 5, 2016 5:47:50 GMT -5
I'll never understand why people fetishize cloth accessories. Sure, tee shirts look miles better that way. But almost anything heavily detailed looks terrible and ill-fitting in cloth IMO. For example, the Mattel Sting jacket looks miles better than the cloth Jacks version. The RSC exclusive Bret is another example that pops directly to mind. That jacket would never look good in cloth at this scale. well, the reason i buy "action figures" is i want to pose them, the way i desire. and that's hard to accomplished or even not possible with the rubber/plastic thingy
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