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Post by snatch on May 16, 2016 19:27:31 GMT -5
If Vince was found guilty, he was to face up to 10 years Fed time. He probably would of only served 6 max....The trial ended in I think 94.
I forgot who's podcast I was listening to, but I heard that if Vince was to go to prison. He had hired Jerry Jarret to take his reign and run the company for the time being.
Say Vince had to do atleast 6 years. With Jerry Jones running the show, do you think WWE still would exist today? Do you think WCW would have won the war, and possibly exist today?
Hypothetically....
The Millennium would of been the time Vince would be getting released. During the 6 years Vince was incarcerated, I think WWF would of went belly up, due to WCW.
I don't think Jerry Jarret could of kept the company afloat.
If Vince set money aside, for when he got released to restart/reset his company. I think it's possible we could still be watching his product.
But it also depends on if the AOL/TimeWarner merge kept WCW alive. Hence WWF would of died some point in the 6 years Vince was away. From a business standpoint WCW would be the sole wrestling company.
Hell ECW could still be alive. Maybe.
Anyone have any more insight or opinion the Vince/steroid trial.
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Post by TheXtremisT on May 17, 2016 10:52:00 GMT -5
Great question man!
What people don't seem to understand, yes WCW was on top for 2 years, but they couldn't run a piss up in a brewery. They were destined to have their bubble burst. The countless shoot interviews from Bischoff and first hand accounts from Nash, Hall, Jericho, Bret, Chavo, DDP, and Flair does not paint WCW in a great light. They were so mis-managed it's just sad. Their success was transient at best, and entirely comes down to right place, right time for what went down. Like the star power, effort and passion from the lower card guys and the creative minds from Nash, DDP, etc...
WCW may have indeed won the war, but they would have still run themselves into the ground unless they got the production, management and effort that made WWF a force to be reckoned with in the Attitude Era.
WCW would have probably existed for a few more years, it may still be around now, but wrestling as a whole would have suffered and would be in worse shape nowadays.
Vince would have probably nothing to do with wrestling if WWF went out of business.
In my honest opinion, had WWF been really badly hit by the steroid trial (Vince no longer in control, major stars leaving, less revenue, becoming a tertiary product...), I could see Vince doing a merger with ECW. I don't know exactly when Vince secretly was in talks with Heyman, and helping ECW out in some ways, but I think the Attitude era would have still occurred and Vince could still be a consultant "in prison", and he could have agreed to the WWF merging with ECW to take on WCW.
WCW would still be destined to fail IMO.
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Post by PJ on May 17, 2016 14:27:02 GMT -5
WCW should have won the war to begin with as they had the better product as far at talent goes. But the way they ran the business it was destined to fail. The poorly thought out contracts, stupid celebrity interactions ruined WCW.
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Post by dixol on May 17, 2016 23:25:28 GMT -5
But you guys have to forget about the poor business decisions of WCW in this situation. The trial ends in 94 and Vince goes to prison. At that time, Hogan is just barely debuting in WCW. There weren't huge stupid contracts being given out to everyone yet. But Hogan's 1st 2 years in WCW were pretty forgettable. And without Vince, WWF would probably suffer. They were already hurting as it was, with the New Generation not really catching on yet. So a poor WWF product gets worse. And WCW doesn't know how to capitalize properly. Who knows what would have happened but in writing this I've convinced myself that there would not have been an attitude era, both companies would have floundered, and the business as a whole would have become something totally different. Maybe we'd be watching the ECW Network right now. Great question. Lots of what ifs.
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Post by dixol on May 18, 2016 11:02:47 GMT -5
After thinking about this some more, I think WWF goes out of business. WCW continues being 2nd rate up to the AOL/TW merger. Then they get dropped from TV and go under. ECW never goes beyond regional and eventually out of business. Wrestling as we know it is done. The business goes back to small indy promotions and becomes a cult thing. TV won't take a chance on a wrestling biz again for a looong time.
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Post by k5 on May 18, 2016 11:43:06 GMT -5
wcw would have won. they probably would have folded in a similar fashion. jarrett would have started up tna and it most likely would have been far more successful.
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Post by rowdy1971 on May 18, 2016 16:06:08 GMT -5
The mob still runs when they are in prison. Gangs still run when they are in prison. Vince would have still ran the WWF from prison. He'd have all his minions keep an eye on everything. Hell, he would have turned into a major storyline that would cumulate of him getting released and making a great comeback at some PPV.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 17:13:16 GMT -5
Vince would have booked the territory from prison if it had come down to that. Jarrett would have just been his eyes and ears.
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Post by dixol on May 18, 2016 17:28:41 GMT -5
Even if Vince ran it from prison, advertisers would have ran away in hordes. They had already begun. One ad exec had told him the WWF was a 'dead brand' around that time. They lost the Hasbro contract. Others would have run away fast. Doesn't matter what the booking would have been if you have no income.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on May 18, 2016 20:25:13 GMT -5
WCW had the golden ticket IMO......but no way they would succeed long term.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 20, 2016 6:38:18 GMT -5
Wrestling would've died completely. Yes WCW would've won but they would've ended shortly after.
Don't forget the Attitude era and Monday night wars saved wrestling. The WWE was a sinking but Attitude completely turned it around and made it a dominant force. Also without the WWE as a rival WCW would have suffered big time because there may not have been Hollywood Hogan or the nWo and they most likely would've sighed most of WWE's talent and then had zero clue what to do with them.
By the end of the 90's major league wrestling would be completely dead and none of us would be on this forum as we speak.
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Post by mikey1974 on May 21, 2016 11:18:44 GMT -5
I think you would've seen the "New Generation" really become a huger thing in the WWF, as in addition to Hogan,Savage, and the rest of the WWF guys who left, I would expect Bret,Taker, Yokozuna, etc. to leave when their contracts were up. The WWF would really have been run by the Kliq, completely. Austin would never get a shot at stardom,nor would Foley. The Rock would've been released in 1997. Edgy angles like the Attitude Era I don't think would have ever happened under Jarrett.
Also,Jeff Jarrett - multiple WWF World Championship reigns.
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Post by k5 on May 21, 2016 12:52:47 GMT -5
Also,Jeff Jarrett - multiple WWF World Championship reigns. how was this the first time it was stated in a thread? too accurate!
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Post by PJ on May 25, 2016 5:06:16 GMT -5
I think you would've seen the "New Generation" really become a huger thing in the WWF, as in addition to Hogan,Savage, and the rest of the WWF guys who left, I would expect Bret,Taker, Yokozuna, etc. to leave when their contracts were up. The WWF would really have been run by the Kliq, completely. Austin would never get a shot at stardom,nor would Foley. The Rock would've been released in 1997. Edgy angles like the Attitude Era I don't think would have ever happened under Jarrett.Also,Jeff Jarrett - multiple WWF World Championship reigns. That might not have been a bad thing. I didn't need to see Ho's, Pepper, the Katie Vick story or Mae Young give birth to a hand. (Just to name a few)
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 6:59:44 GMT -5
Vince had trusted Gorilla Monsoon to run the company in the event of a prison sentence. I don't know where this Jerry Jarrett stuff has come from.
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Post by savage on May 25, 2016 11:13:13 GMT -5
There's a lot of could ofs and would ofs in there so I can't resist. Not trying to be the grammar police, just trying to inform you. It's could've and would've. Short for could have etc..
As for the topic at hand, I think WWE would have been just fine. Vince is a smart man and I'm sure he'd still have control over major decisions even from prison. It's not like he would be in solitary confinement.
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Post by dixol on May 25, 2016 20:27:08 GMT -5
There's a lot of could ofs and would ofs in there so I can't resist. Not trying to be the grammar police, just trying to inform you. It's could've and would've. Short for could have etc.. As for the topic at hand, I think WWE would have been just fine. Vince is a smart man and I'm sure he'd still have control over major decisions even from prison. It's not like he would be in solitary confinement. But with advertisers jumping ship, the tv show would have been in trouble. Doesn't matter what decisions are being made if you don't have advertisers.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on May 30, 2016 17:24:29 GMT -5
Vince had trusted Gorilla Monsoon to run the company in the event of a prison sentence. I don't know where this Jerry Jarrett stuff has come from. Was Gorrilla in poor health already around that time? I thought that was why he was taken off TV in 96? I swear I've read this before about Jerry Jarrett, I think it was in someone's Autobiography but I can't really remember.
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Post by Papi Joker on May 30, 2016 17:50:49 GMT -5
oh now it makes sense how Jeff Jarrett was able to bounce around like he did between the feds! then when Vinnie was 100% legally and media cleared in 2001 he gave him the boot!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 2:48:21 GMT -5
Vince had trusted Gorilla Monsoon to run the company in the event of a prison sentence. I don't know where this Jerry Jarrett stuff has come from. Was Gorrilla in poor health already around that time? I thought that was why he was taken off TV in 96? I swear I've read this before about Jerry Jarrett, I think it was in someone's Autobiography but I can't really remember. As the OP said, the trial ended in 94. Gorilla was still commentating in 94. IIRC he didn't become ill until 95.
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