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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 19, 2016 22:04:44 GMT -5
Wasn't sure where else to ask this... but figured here is as good a place as any.
We are a group of wrestling figure collectors.. this board is to discuss figures.. and the FTC lines seem like they COULD be a fairly significant deal... so why are we not allowed to talk about them? It can't be a simple "Ringside doesn't sell that", because we often discuss Target, TRU, and Walmart exclusives on the Mattel boards. Likewise, no one is selling Hasbros, OSFTM, LJN, or Toybiz figures these days, and they aren't forbidden topics.
I have always been against the ban on discussing certain figures, including Mattel prototypes that may have been stolen, because while I understand WHY this is the case, it seems similar to how WWE removes Hogan, Snuka, and Benoit from things. It sucks, and people who steal should be punished.. but it's the same as discussing a prototype, or a non-released figure, in my eyes. If a thing exists, and we aren't allowed to discuss it, that makes this community less informative, doesn't it? I've always been taught that burying your head in the sand on an issue never makes it go away, it just breeds more ignorance to it.
Just seems a bit strange to me.... isn't it better to foster discussion of ALL wrestling figures, rather than to say "You can talk about this 90% of figures, but everyone should pretend this 10% doesn't exist"?
I ask, with NO sarcasm intended, how does that make for a better community? Or more specifically, how is this a rule that benefits the board?
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Post by Stuart? on May 20, 2016 17:38:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this is 100% true, but I heard that the thread was just pages and pages of people bickering about it so they shut it down. That may not be the correct reason, but I definitely remember reading that somewhere.
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on May 20, 2016 19:29:30 GMT -5
The moderator didn't feel like cleaning up the discussion
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 23:27:48 GMT -5
Not defending the policy, but my guess would be something like this...
Those other retailers you mentioned may not be benefitting RSC, but they are still benefitting Mattel. As far as older figures like Hasbro, LJN, etc, those aren't forbidden because they pose no threats to the Mattel line.
On the other hand, spam sells merchandise that directly benefits modern wrestling figures, yet they have no affiliation with RSC nor Mattel. And they do potentially pose a threat because they offer a lot of the same items that RSC and Mattel offer (rings, replica belts, stairs, etc).
Thus, that to me is the difference. That is, spam does not benefit RSC nor Mattel, while the other retailers at least benefit Mattel, and finally older figure lines don't realistically harm Mattel's sales.
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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 21, 2016 2:31:40 GMT -5
Not defending the policy, but my guess would be something like this... Those other retailers you mentioned may not be benefitting RSC, but they are still benefitting Mattel. As far as older figures like Hasbro, LJN, etc, those aren't forbidden because they pose no threats to the Mattel line. On the other hand, spam sells merchandise that directly benefits modern wrestling figures, yet they have no affiliation with RSC nor Mattel. And they do potentially pose a threat because they offer a lot of the same items that RSC and Mattel offer (rings, replica belts, stairs, etc). Thus, that to me is the difference. That is, spam does not benefit RSC nor Mattel, while the other retailers at least benefit Mattel, and finally older figure lines don't realistically harm Mattel's sales. I can dig that concept.. but this is supposed to be a forum to discuss wrestling figures in general, not anyone specific company, which kinda feels shady, IMHO. Just wanted a forum leaders opinion on it all.. maybe get a cleaner picture of what's up.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 2:39:28 GMT -5
Not defending the policy, but my guess would be something like this... Those other retailers you mentioned may not be benefitting RSC, but they are still benefitting Mattel. As far as older figures like Hasbro, LJN, etc, those aren't forbidden because they pose no threats to the Mattel line. On the other hand, spam sells merchandise that directly benefits modern wrestling figures, yet they have no affiliation with RSC nor Mattel. And they do potentially pose a threat because they offer a lot of the same items that RSC and Mattel offer (rings, replica belts, stairs, etc). Thus, that to me is the difference. That is, spam does not benefit RSC nor Mattel, while the other retailers at least benefit Mattel, and finally older figure lines don't realistically harm Mattel's sales. I can dig that concept.. but this is supposed to be a forum to discuss wrestling figures in general, not anyone specific company, which kinda feels shady, IMHO. Just wanted a forum leaders opinion on it all.. maybe get a cleaner picture of what's up.. Well I'm no forum leader, but I do know that RSC sponsors WF. You're not wrong by viewing this place as a forum to discuss wrestling figures. But at the end of the day, just like with a lot of things in life, there is a bottom line. This forum is as much a part of Mattel's business as anything else. So I can't fault them for trying to protect it. I'm sure there are other forums. They're probably not as active or fun as this one, but surely there are other avenues to have the discussions you seek. |
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Post by crush on May 21, 2016 4:29:24 GMT -5
Not defending the policy, but my guess would be something like this... Those other retailers you mentioned may not be benefitting RSC, but they are still benefitting Mattel. As far as older figures like Hasbro, LJN, etc, those aren't forbidden because they pose no threats to the Mattel line. On the other hand, spam sells merchandise that directly benefits modern wrestling figures, yet they have no affiliation with RSC nor Mattel. And they do potentially pose a threat because they offer a lot of the same items that RSC and Mattel offer (rings, replica belts, stairs, etc). Thus, that to me is the difference. That is, spam does not benefit RSC nor Mattel, while the other retailers at least benefit Mattel, and finally older figure lines don't realistically harm Mattel's sales. While I think that' she correct logic, it's a lot more skewed towards RSC than Mattel IMO. There were threads for Jakks TNA figures when they were current and technically in "competition" with Matell, but since RSC sold both that seemed to be fair game. I'm not saying this as a knock on RSC at all. I honestly get it, even though I don't agree with it. |
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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 21, 2016 5:46:43 GMT -5
There are other forums and wrestling figure discussion sites.. but this one is the biggest one, and it has gotten there by presenting itself as the "end all be all" for wrestling figure fans.
It's my thought that if there are subsets of wrestling figure discussion that we can't talk about (FTC, the Mattel bootlegs, independent figure clothing manufacturers), that HURTS the forum. It creates ignorance, and does not allow for a complete and through discussion of the topic that the board is supposed to be about.
I would think that the admins here want this to be the premier place to discuss wrestling figures, and that they want to foster as much discussion as possible on the topic. Basically, I would think that people who run the place want it to be the absolute best that it can be. Banning certain topics because they don't fit an unrelated agenda seems WAY counterproductive to that goal, but I really do want to know the other side of things, instead of being confrontational and accusatory.
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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 21, 2016 5:48:25 GMT -5
The moderator didn't feel like cleaning up the discussion That makes no sense. How many topics have been locked for going off topic and becoming ridiculous in the past? That has never meant you are no longer allowed to discuss those topics. (Full disclosure: I don't remember anything about the FTC thread that was posted here, or if I even read much in it when it was up.) |
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Post by k5 on May 21, 2016 6:13:10 GMT -5
ever since the forum was purchased by rsc back how many years ago, it's become essentially the main prerogative of the forum just to sell figures instead of really discussing them - which of course makes total sense on their part. but it has created a more restrictive environment, both in language/subject matter and in relation to figures. i guess wf went 'pg'.  |
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Post by Jack Specific on May 21, 2016 10:10:30 GMT -5
Who said we cannot FTC and other figure lines? We have a whole board dedicated to "other wrestling figures". As long as things are discussed and there's not advertising spam or nonsense spam (which is a full forum rule anyway) then it's fine. I do not recall any restriction regarding FTC figures.
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Post by dylan on May 21, 2016 10:37:37 GMT -5
Who said we cannot FTC and other figure lines? We have a whole board dedicated to "other wrestling figures". As long as things are discussed and there's not advertising spam or nonsense spam (which is a full forum rule anyway) then it's fine. I do not recall any restriction regarding FTC figures. First stickied post in the Other Figures board forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/332379/topics-ftc-lines |
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on May 21, 2016 12:57:57 GMT -5
Who said we cannot FTC and other figure lines? We have a whole board dedicated to "other wrestling figures". As long as things are discussed and there's not advertising spam or nonsense spam (which is a full forum rule anyway) then it's fine. I do not recall any restriction regarding FTC figures. First stickied post in the Other Figures board forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/332379/topics-ftc-linesWell that pretty much confirms it |
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Post by Blackbird 13 on May 21, 2016 14:12:38 GMT -5
Who said we cannot FTC and other figure lines? We have a whole board dedicated to "other wrestling figures". As long as things are discussed and there's not advertising spam or nonsense spam (which is a full forum rule anyway) then it's fine. I do not recall any restriction regarding FTC figures. I'm actually really pleased to see that as a response! Maybe see what the Other Figures board's mods were thinking then? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 14:47:38 GMT -5
Who said we cannot FTC and other figure lines? We have a whole board dedicated to "other wrestling figures". As long as things are discussed and there's not advertising spam or nonsense spam (which is a full forum rule anyway) then it's fine. I do not recall any restriction regarding FTC figures. I'm actually really pleased to see that as a response! Maybe see what the Other Figures board's mods were thinking then? Looks more and more like it was the mod who enforced that rule, and not Jack or any other admin. I'm guessing the mod made a blanket rule because he didn't want to do deal with another messy thread. Kinda lame honestly. So good job man. Your inquiry may have changed things for the better. |
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Post by BCizzle on May 21, 2016 15:29:22 GMT -5
I think that mod should be canned.
If there is no arguing allowed on these boards, there would be no threads.
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Post by East Coast on May 21, 2016 15:42:09 GMT -5
Ruby seems nice enough....but i steer clear of that board now...because he just mods the heck out of everything. He has deleted innocuous posts of mine, and is seemingly hell bent on stifling any discussion on that board
dark wfigs, show me the hidden ftc threads
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Post by /X Metal Sorenges x "Mac Oh J~ on May 21, 2016 16:17:34 GMT -5
Ruby FusionWho said we cannot FTC and other figure lines? We have a whole board dedicated to "other wrestling figures". As long as things are discussed and there's not advertising spam or nonsense spam (which is a full forum rule anyway) then it's fine. I do not recall any restriction regarding FTC figures.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on May 21, 2016 20:11:20 GMT -5
Ruby FusionWho said we cannot FTC and other figure lines? We have a whole board dedicated to "other wrestling figures". As long as things are discussed and there's not advertising spam or nonsense spam (which is a full forum rule anyway) then it's fine. I do not recall any restriction regarding FTC figures. |
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Post by Jack Specific on May 22, 2016 10:14:46 GMT -5
Who said we cannot FTC and other figure lines? We have a whole board dedicated to "other wrestling figures". As long as things are discussed and there's not advertising spam or nonsense spam (which is a full forum rule anyway) then it's fine. I do not recall any restriction regarding FTC figures. First stickied post in the Other Figures board forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/332379/topics-ftc-linesI don't know why the mod made that rule. There is not even a reason given. The rule did not come from any admin so I null and void that unless the mod can give me a good and valid reason for that. I deleted that post as well. |
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