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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 5:23:19 GMT -5
Gail Kim wasn't ex TNA talent she was ex WWE talent. TNA's women's division in 2007-2008 was taking so many shots at WWE Divas it was ridiculous. The "Divas Revolution" was basically just the Knockouts division from 2007. She might have been hired by WWE first, but she made her name in TNA. Please, she made her name when she married and became Mrs. Robert Irvine.
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Post by Angel Beast on May 24, 2016 5:52:22 GMT -5
Did people just start watching WWE? Did you not see the past couple years where the face of WCW (a non WWE creation) was treated completely like crap? Im trying to think..Did Sting ever even win a match? You really thought the WWE was going to take AJ Styles, the face of TNA, and put him on a pedestal like he was a God? Sting is 2-2 in WWE.
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Post by deskjet on May 24, 2016 6:01:14 GMT -5
I've enjoyed the reigns vs Aj program. Both guys looked strong. My only concern is that Aj is taking a step backward with no storyline. Why not have him and miz in mib then they get into a feud that carries over to the intercontinental title picture. The booking was terrible tonite of both Aj and Rollins imo
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 6:27:32 GMT -5
I think we should wait and see how last night's Raw with Styles, Anderson, & Gallows breaking their friendship up plays out. It has to be a specific reason, with mine hoping its a debuting Prince Devitt who aligns with Anderson & Gallows.
Big deal he didn't win a spot for Money in the Bank last night, there's still three weeks to go, and two more spots to fill. Also, with the exception of Rollins pulling it off, who really has recently won Money in the Bank that saw it be beneficial to them? Sheamus was a throw away cash in while Rollins was out. Cena was a safety net. Sandow had his briefcase thrown in the river. Plus with Shane running Raw after losing his WrestleMania match with the stipulation that he would not be able to run Raw, shows that WWE doesn't hold themselves to continuity.
With the exception of Styles losing to Dad Bod Jericho at WrestleMania, he's being booked fine. There's NO WAY he was going to beat Reigns. Reigns, the very guy who CM Punk in 2014 was told to make Roman look Strong, the very guy who needs The Rock's help to try and grasp for crowd reaction, and countless other things to try and win fans over. The fact that Styles got back-to-back matches against the champ says a lot. Sure, it burns that he lost, but Daniel Bryan had some pretty annoying loses while he was the most over guy in the company. Ever since then the wins/loses doesn't mean anything to me anymore.
Also, as of today, Styles has been with the company for four months, and already headlined two pay-per-views. Papa Bless.
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Post by tiny04 on May 24, 2016 7:55:41 GMT -5
People saying he has no storyline. They're clearly doing something with AJ, Gallows and Anderson now. Just let it play out before complaining. He is absolutely not getting buried.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 24, 2016 7:57:39 GMT -5
WWE just doesn't get it. You can't build guys up properly if they are so vulnerable and beatable.
AJ Styles was advertised by WWE as this hot free agent, one of the best on the scene, and they beat him in his second singles match against Jericho.
Baron Corbin is supposed to be this wrecking machine of a man, this big nasty ass kicker....and they've already had him lose.
I guess it's at least a little different than what they nornally do; 6 month undefeated streak until you get fed to Cena.....
AJ Styles character seems like a guy that can't get the job done. Next time he's in a big match, why should we take him seriously? He always loses the big match. Loses at Wrestlemania, loses at Payback, loses at Extreme Rules, loses and can't even qualify for MITB......
Maybe WWE can bring back Dr. Phil to try and patch up AJ's friendship with Gallows and Anderson? lol
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Post by havoc7179 on May 24, 2016 8:45:30 GMT -5
The Wrestling Dilemma
AJ Styles: Can't win big matches yet, loses every other Raw. This is a travesty. He needs to win every match.
Roman Reigns: Always wins big matches. Wins every Raw. This is a travesty. He needs to lose every match.
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I subscribe to Vince Russo's prop thinking. The belt is used to help keep guys who need help getting over. Look how Miz floundered (maybe due to bad writing) after losing the title. I mean he beat Cena at Mania and hasn't been featured in main storylines since.
I look at how a wrestler is featured. Does it suck that Sting never won a title in WWE? Yes. But, let's not forget the fact that A) He was heavily featured in one of three main storylines for Wrestlemania (I'd even say one of the two main storylines because aside from Lesnar vs. Reigns, it's kind of hard to remember what the third main storyline was. It wasn't Bray vs Undertaker was it? Or Cena vs. Rusev? The main build to Mania seemed to consist of Authority vs. Sting and Roman vs. Brock); and B) He was heavily featured in a storyline for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.
AJ in four months received a huge push to establish himself as a main player. Main evented several Raws when ROMAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE FACE OF THE COMPANY NOW, had two phenomenal showings for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship, and is involved in what looks to be another main storyline.
I want to believe that a publicly traded company has to do business like every other business out there. You don't spend half a million to sign one guy and use him as fodder, especially when you're bringing in other guys to work a program with him. Your shareholders would want your head if you operated solely on ego.
I don't know about most of you fans, but when a legend like Jushin Thunder Liger comes in and jobs, no one bats an eye. His legacy isn't injured. No one says he was buried. AJ is not buried. He is already rockstar status. So he didn't win the title...yet. Even if he never wins the WWE WHC, he's in pretty legendary company with Piper, Hall, Curt Hennig, Vader, and Rick Rude. No one would take what they did and say "ho hum. What did they ever do?"
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Post by marino13 on May 24, 2016 9:12:16 GMT -5
Fans this day and age really need to let things play out. Styles lost two very competitive matches to two top stars. Not like he's losing to Heath Slater or anything. Maybe this is because AJ has some nagging injuries? Maybe this is part of the story line? We don't know, but I'd much rather wait and see than to cry that AJ needs to quit the WWE. That's a foolish notion.
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Post by havoc7179 on May 24, 2016 9:15:20 GMT -5
Also, throw in the Great Muta to my original post. So you have legends like Muta, Liger, Vader, and others coming to WWE/WCW from Japan and no longer being main eventers, and non one crying foul. And, those guys were jobbing big time.
If you're thinking he's buried, remember, Muta lost to the Kiss Demon and Vampiro.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 10:04:16 GMT -5
aj vs the club
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Post by BoJack Hogan on May 24, 2016 10:07:40 GMT -5
I don't have as much of a problem with his record as much as i have a problem with his promo last night. I don't know how much of that was his delivery, but he was the one who looked like the dick last night between he and the club. He's supposed to be the face, but he blamed them for the loss and told them that he didn't want them around him. ..but. ..we're still brothers. Awful. I cringed throughout that whole segment. At least it wasnt as bad as the terrible Charlotte segment.
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Post by Bandalero on May 24, 2016 10:12:29 GMT -5
I do understand the WWE-faithful who are saying "he's not buried, let his storyline play out with Anderson/Gallows", and for the most part you all have a valid point. The huge risk here (and it's not a matter of opinion, but a classic pattern of WWE writing) is that AJ Styles will potentially squander away in mid-card obscurity now. If the WWE Universe have been given no reason to feel for Styles/Anders/Gallows and their "brotherhood" in Japan, why would the casual WWE fan possibly care about these three goofballs working out their emotions? You want to wait to see how the storyline plays out? I can take a wild guess that we'll have weeks and weeks of Styles/Anderson/Gallows trading wins with AJ no where close to the main event title picture. After Reigns and Rollins play hot potato with the WWE Title, you all remember a little someone called Brock Lesnar who also never lost the belt right? I think we're all seeing the writing on the wall for AJ. Unless Triple H or someone up there takes a phenomenal liking to the guy, he's going to disappear - that's all of our fears because I think we all love AJ and want him to be on top. I want to believe that a publicly traded company has to do business like every other business out there. You don't spend half a million to sign one guy and use him as fodder, especially when you're bringing in other guys to work a program with him. Your shareholders would want your head if you operated solely on ego. I don't know about most of you fans, but when a legend like Jushin Thunder Liger comes in and jobs, no one bats an eye. His legacy isn't injured. No one says he was buried. AJ is not buried. He is already rockstar status. So he didn't win the title...yet. Even if he never wins the WWE WHC, he's in pretty legendary company with Piper, Hall, Curt Hennig, Vader, and Rick Rude. No one would take what they did and say "ho hum. What did they ever do?" You make a lot of valid points but Vince has shown, publicly traded company or not, he's always been about ego. And while it's cool that you consider AJ a part of that group, I personally don't think he's at the status of wrestling icon (which Piper is and was billed as later in his career), just like I wouldn't put AJ's name in the same company as Sting...yet. AJ's done amazing things around the world, but to the WWE Universe casual fan, he's just another "new" face with lots of big promising talk and a slew of CLEAN losses to back it up
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 10:38:02 GMT -5
I do understand the WWE-faithful who are saying "he's not buried, let his storyline play out with Anderson/Gallows", and for the most part you all have a valid point. The huge risk here (and it's not a matter of opinion, but a classic pattern of WWE writing) is that AJ Styles will potentially squander away in mid-card obscurity now. If the WWE Universe have been given no reason to feel for Styles/Anders/Gallows and their "brotherhood" in Japan, why would the casual WWE fan possibly care about these three goofballs working out their emotions? You want to wait to see how the storyline plays out? I can take a wild guess that we'll have weeks and weeks of Styles/Anderson/Gallows trading wins with AJ no where close to the main event title picture. After Reigns and Rollins play hot potato with the WWE Title, you all remember a little someone called Brock Lesnar who also never lost the belt right? I think we're all seeing the writing on the wall for AJ. Unless Triple H or someone up there takes a phenomenal liking to the guy, he's going to disappear - that's all of our fears because I think we all love AJ and want him to be on top. I want to believe that a publicly traded company has to do business like every other business out there. You don't spend half a million to sign one guy and use him as fodder, especially when you're bringing in other guys to work a program with him. Your shareholders would want your head if you operated solely on ego. I don't know about most of you fans, but when a legend like Jushin Thunder Liger comes in and jobs, no one bats an eye. His legacy isn't injured. No one says he was buried. AJ is not buried. He is already rockstar status. So he didn't win the title...yet. Even if he never wins the WWE WHC, he's in pretty legendary company with Piper, Hall, Curt Hennig, Vader, and Rick Rude. No one would take what they did and say "ho hum. What did they ever do?" You make a lot of valid points but Vince has shown, publicly traded company or not, he's always been about ego. And while it's cool that you consider AJ a part of that group, I personally don't think he's at the status of wrestling icon (which Piper is and was billed as later in his career), just like I wouldn't put AJ's name in the same company as Sting...yet. AJ's done amazing things around the world, but to the WWE Universe casual fan, he's just another "new" face with lots of big promising talk and a slew of CLEAN losses to back it up One of WWE's biggest downfalls is constantly having faces say they will win and then they do not. That's a big no no, at least it should be.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 24, 2016 11:37:28 GMT -5
When did Jushin Thunder Liger come to WWE and job? Maybe I'm missing something but I'm pretty sure his only WWE match was at NXT Takeover Brooklyn when he beat Tyler Breeze. No?
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Post by havoc7179 on May 24, 2016 11:48:59 GMT -5
When did Jushin Thunder Liger come to WWE and job? Maybe I'm missing something but I'm pretty sure his only WWE match was at NXT Takeover Brooklyn when he beat Tyler Breeze. No? My fault for not being clearer. He jobbed in WCW and NWA/TNA many times.
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Post by Chip on May 24, 2016 12:21:25 GMT -5
AJ was never going to win the WWE title. He's been brought in to be a player in the game. Roman Reigns is the box the game comes in whether we like it or not. AJ's next feud will be against his "former" friends and that will play out for awhile until they find something else random for him to do. Then when they need a guy to fill in the main event for a short time he'll be on the list.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 12:25:29 GMT -5
I think WWE is getting at Styles vs. Balor very slowly, which will no doubt be a hell of a feud. I for one am excited, but I did hope WWE went with their version of the Bullet Club, adding more superstars, taking all the titles, and completely dominating the WWE
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Post by Bandalero on May 24, 2016 12:31:39 GMT -5
AJ was never going to win the WWE title. He's been brought in to be a player in the game. Roman Reigns is the box the game comes in whether we like it or not. AJ's next feud will be against his "former" friends and that will play out for awhile until they find something else random for him to do. Then when they need a guy to fill in the main event for a short time he'll be on the list. And that's the travisty of it all. I don't expect AJ to win the world title either to be honest. I just can't bare the thought of watching the upcoming months and 2-3 PPVs of AJ vs Anderson, AJ vs Gallows, AJ vs Gallows/Anderson handicap, AJ + mystery partner vs Gallows/Anderson because we all know that is coming ad nauseam. We're talking about a company that will get behind and repackage Epico & Primo with infinite gimmicks yet reserve a talent like AJ Styles as a filler.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 24, 2016 13:31:53 GMT -5
We're talking about a company that will get behind and repackage Epico & Primo with infinite gimmicks yet reserve a talent like AJ Styles as a filler. So you would like them to swap AJ's push with that of Primo and Epico? Are you sure?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 13:53:53 GMT -5
Losing a competitive match isn't jobbing. "Jobbing" and "buried" get thrown around like nothing these days
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