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Post by The Gangsta on Jun 19, 2016 12:03:46 GMT -5
So, until October comes around, it's time for the annual Offseason thread. Should be an interesting year ahead, haha.
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Post by Mark Martin on Jun 19, 2016 16:09:43 GMT -5
I'm glad I finally get an offseason where I'm not praying that the Panthers change their uniforms.
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Post by Sizzle on Jun 19, 2016 16:40:02 GMT -5
I'm glad I finally get an offseason where I'm not praying that the Panthers change their uniforms. I don't like the new logo as much as the old one.
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Post by Mark Martin on Jun 19, 2016 17:40:20 GMT -5
I'm glad I finally get an offseason where I'm not praying that the Panthers change their uniforms. I don't like the new logo as much as the old one. I didn't have as big of a problem with the logo, just the look and colors of the uniform as a whole has always bugged me since I became a hockey fan in 99.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 19, 2016 18:07:18 GMT -5
Curious if Cullen decides to hang up the skates or try like Guerin did to help with a repeat.
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Post by Mark Martin on Jun 22, 2016 17:24:55 GMT -5
The Las Vegas Bettmans will be ready to go for the 17-18 season. I hope they do well there, which I'm guessing they will with a mix of people who already live there going to games along with the many tourists who want to go check out a hockey game when they're in town.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 23, 2016 12:12:14 GMT -5
**prays to the hockey gods they take Fleury**
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Post by Mark Martin on Jun 23, 2016 15:52:22 GMT -5
**prays to the hockey gods they take Fleury** I'm guessing he's a strong candidate to be unprotected? If so they may as well give him a shot.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 23, 2016 16:44:13 GMT -5
**prays to the hockey gods they take Fleury** I'm guessing he's a strong candidate to be unprotected? If so they may as well give him a shot. For the Pens the likely protected ones will be Sid, Geno, Murray, Letang, Maatta an either Horndqvist or Kessel depending on contracts.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Jun 24, 2016 4:14:55 GMT -5
I'm guessing he's a strong candidate to be unprotected? If so they may as well give him a shot. For the Pens the likely protected ones will be Sid, Geno, Murray, Letang, Maatta an either Horndqvist or Kessel depending on contracts. Fleury has a no movement clause. If he is on the roster for the expansion draft, the Penguins will have to ask him to waive it. If Fleury refused to waive his No Movement Clause, the Penguins will be forced to use their one protection slot for a goalie on him. You can only expose players on NMC's if they agree to waive them. I think that Fleury would agree to waive, but if he didn't, the Penguins would be forced to expose Murray and protect Fleury. That's why most people are expecting Fleury to be traded, quite possibly to Calgary this off season. Though in my opinion Penguins should keep him. Aside from the Capitals series, Murray did get tons of support. The Penguins have never been that big on shot blocking and defensive play but they supporting Murray like I've never seen them do for a goalie. Add to that he only has ike 30 games NHL experience, and that the Pens wouldnt have even made the playoffs if it wasn't for Fleury, I'm in the camp of wanting to keep Fleury until deadline to make sure Murray can handle a regular season workload. I'm not sold he's ready for that. Remember Niemi carrying the Hawks to a cup with a great playoffs as a young goalie, only to never really amount to more than an average goalie? Imagine if Murray craps the bed and Flower is gone. Pens are ed. Make sure Murray is good, trade Fleury at deadline.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 24, 2016 4:16:56 GMT -5
For the Pens the likely protected ones will be Sid, Geno, Murray, Letang, Maatta an either Horndqvist or Kessel depending on contracts. Fleury has a no movement clause. If he is on the roster for the expansion draft, the Penguins will have to ask him to waive it. If Fleury refused to waive his No Movement Clause, the Penguins will be forced to use their one protection slot for a goalie on him. You can only expose players on NMC's if they agree to waive them. I think that Fleury would agree to waive, but if he didn't, the Penguins would be forced to expose Murray and protect Fleury. That's why most people are expecting Fleury to be traded, quite possibly to Calgary this off season. Though in my opinion Penguins should keep him. Aside from the Capitals series, Murray did get tons of support. The Penguins have never been that big on shot blocking and defensive play but they supporting Murray like I've never seen them do for a goalie. Add to that he only has ike 30 games NHL experience, and that the Pens wouldnt have even made the playoffs if it wasn't for Fleury, I'm in the camp of wanting to keep Fleury until deadline to make sure Murray can handle a regular season workload. I'm not sold he's ready for that. Remember Niemi carrying the Hawks to a cup with a great playoffs as a young goalie, only to never really amount to more than an average goalie? Imagine if Murray craps the bed and Flower is gone. Pens are ed. Make sure Murray is good, trade Fleury at deadline. You just want Flower and red and black, don't you Squidward?
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Post by Cameron Stone on Jun 24, 2016 4:24:26 GMT -5
Fleury has a no movement clause. If he is on the roster for the expansion draft, the Penguins will have to ask him to waive it. If Fleury refused to waive his No Movement Clause, the Penguins will be forced to use their one protection slot for a goalie on him. You can only expose players on NMC's if they agree to waive them. I think that Fleury would agree to waive, but if he didn't, the Penguins would be forced to expose Murray and protect Fleury. That's why most people are expecting Fleury to be traded, quite possibly to Calgary this off season. Though in my opinion Penguins should keep him. Aside from the Capitals series, Murray did get tons of support. The Penguins have never been that big on shot blocking and defensive play but they supporting Murray like I've never seen them do for a goalie. Add to that he only has ike 30 games NHL experience, and that the Pens wouldnt have even made the playoffs if it wasn't for Fleury, I'm in the camp of wanting to keep Fleury until deadline to make sure Murray can handle a regular season workload. I'm not sold he's ready for that. Remember Niemi carrying the Hawks to a cup with a great playoffs as a young goalie, only to never really amount to more than an average goalie? Imagine if Murray craps the bed and Flower is gone. Pens are ed. Make sure Murray is good, trade Fleury at deadline. You just want Flower and red and black, don't you Squidward? Not really. Won't be mad if we get him. But our potential window isn't for a few years, once fleury will be regressing big time. Plus with him coming off two concussions I'm worried. If you give him to us for our lowest 2nd round pick, which is like 56th overall and nothing more, I'd be cool with that. But I'd rather try to get Halak, if the Islanders decide to go with Greiss as a cheaper option. Halak has two years left instead of 3, and is 1.25 million cheaper. Would be a stopgap for our young guys to develop, but that would be more ideal for me if we can't pry a good young goalie away from somewhere. The deal I think makes sense is with Dallas. Fleury if he waives for Niemi. Niemi is a bit cheaper, signed for two years more instead of 3 like Fleury, and while he isn't that great, veteran that is already used to platoon duties due to splitting with Lehtonen in Dallas now. This gives the Pens a decent goalie for if Murray can't handle a 60+ game load and a contract that expires sooner. It gives Dallas the better goalie right now in the middle of their championship window. Dallas gets the better trade value, but Pittsburgh comes out ok and won't have to expose Murray in expansion. Though Dallas would likely rather move Lehtonen for Fleury, and he makes 5.9 instead of Niemi's 4.5. Fleury makes 5.75, so it's not really much of a difference. And same thing with two more years left
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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 24, 2016 4:29:13 GMT -5
You just want Flower and red and black, don't you Squidward? Not really. Won't be mad if we get him. But our potential window isn't for a few years, once fleury will be regressing big time. Plus with him coming off two concussions I'm worried. If you give him to us for our lowest 2nd round pick, which is like 56th overall and nothing more, I'd be cool with that. But I'd rather try to get Halak, if the Islanders decide to go with Greiss as a cheaper option. Halak has two years left instead of 3, and is 1.25 million cheaper. Would be a stopgap for our young guys to develop, but that would be more ideal for me if we can't pry a good young goalie away from somewhere. The deal I think makes sense is with Dallas. Fleury if he waives for Niemi. Niemi is a bit cheaper, signed for two years more instead of 3 like Fleury, and while he isn't that great, veteran that is already used to platoon duties due to splitting with Lehtonen in Dallas now. This gives the Pens a decent goalie for if Murray can't handle a 60+ game load and a contract that expires sooner. It gives Dallas the better goalie right now in the middle of their championship window. Dallas gets the better trade value, but Pittsburgh comes out ok and won't have to expose Murray in expansion. Though Dallas would likely rather move Lehtonen for Fleury, and he makes 5.9 instead of Niemi's 4.5. Fleury makes 5.75, so it's not really much of a difference. And same thing with two more years left So who does Vegas snag from the Pens?
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Post by Cameron Stone on Jun 24, 2016 4:38:00 GMT -5
Not really. Won't be mad if we get him. But our potential window isn't for a few years, once fleury will be regressing big time. Plus with him coming off two concussions I'm worried. If you give him to us for our lowest 2nd round pick, which is like 56th overall and nothing more, I'd be cool with that. But I'd rather try to get Halak, if the Islanders decide to go with Greiss as a cheaper option. Halak has two years left instead of 3, and is 1.25 million cheaper. Would be a stopgap for our young guys to develop, but that would be more ideal for me if we can't pry a good young goalie away from somewhere. The deal I think makes sense is with Dallas. Fleury if he waives for Niemi. Niemi is a bit cheaper, signed for two years more instead of 3 like Fleury, and while he isn't that great, veteran that is already used to platoon duties due to splitting with Lehtonen in Dallas now. This gives the Pens a decent goalie for if Murray can't handle a 60+ game load and a contract that expires sooner. It gives Dallas the better goalie right now in the middle of their championship window. Dallas gets the better trade value, but Pittsburgh comes out ok and won't have to expose Murray in expansion. Though Dallas would likely rather move Lehtonen for Fleury, and he makes 5.9 instead of Niemi's 4.5. Fleury makes 5.75, so it's not really much of a difference. And same thing with two more years left So who does Vegas snag from the Pens? Dunno. They take one player from every team. They might take the Niemi/Lehtonen in that instance, depending on what other goalies are available as an overpriced backup/1B for the first season. Part of it will have to be seeing what contracts are signed this year to see who is available. Temas can also make trades with Vegas in order for them to not take an exposed player that they can't protect but want to keep. Vegas takes one player from every team. I'll lay some things out. Sorry if you're super familiar with this already. Each team has to expose at minimum of this:Protection Works as Follows:It appears as if AHL seasons count as pro seasons since it's a professional league, so Murray will need to be protected. Vegas Expansion Drafting Rules
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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 24, 2016 4:40:37 GMT -5
So who does Vegas snag from the Pens? Dunno. They take one player from every team. They might take the Niemi/Lehtonen in that instance, depending on what other goalies are available as an overpriced backup/1B for the first season. Part of it will have to be seeing what contracts are signed this year to see who is available. Temas can also make trades with Vegas in order for them to not take an exposed player that they can't protect but want to keep. Vegas takes one player from every team. I'll lay some things out. Sorry if you're super familiar with this already. Each team has to expose at minimum of this:Protection Works as Follows:It appears as if AHL seasons count as pro seasons since it's a professional league, so Murray will need to be protected. Vegas Expansion Drafting RulesThey better protect Murray so fast it's not even ing funny.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Jun 24, 2016 4:51:17 GMT -5
Dunno. They take one player from every team. They might take the Niemi/Lehtonen in that instance, depending on what other goalies are available as an overpriced backup/1B for the first season. Part of it will have to be seeing what contracts are signed this year to see who is available. Temas can also make trades with Vegas in order for them to not take an exposed player that they can't protect but want to keep. Vegas takes one player from every team. I'll lay some things out. Sorry if you're super familiar with this already. Each team has to expose at minimum of this:Protection Works as Follows:It appears as if AHL seasons count as pro seasons since it's a professional league, so Murray will need to be protected. Vegas Expansion Drafting RulesThey better protect Murray so fast it's not even ing funny. That's why you guys either HAVE to move Fleury before the expansion draft or hope he agrees to waive. And if Fleury refuses to waive for a trade over the next year (which I doubt, he doesn't seem like that kind of guy) then you'd have to hope the expansion draft takes place after the start of the buyout period, and the team would have to buck up and do the expensive buyout on him quickly, and then make sure Zatkoff or the other number 3 has an extension to make him eligible to be exposed. This is why for Pittsburgh I think that either trading Fleury for another goalie like niemi or for a draft pick is the smart play. If you move him look for the Pens to sign a backup to a two year contract so they can expose him But just imagine if Fleury refuses to waive anything and you had to protect him and Vegas drafts Murray. Though at that point if it came to it Rutherford would probably trade Murray to make sure he at least got something for him instead of losign him for nothing
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 21:24:57 GMT -5
Detroit not only moves Datsyuk's contract, but they get a second for it all while moving a few spots in the Draft. Huge considering the asking price was rumored to be Athanasiou or Svechnikov in order for someone to take it. So obviously im excited because this means Holland will be more aggressive this offseason.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Jun 24, 2016 22:25:02 GMT -5
Detroit not only moves Datsyuk's contract, but they get a second for it all while moving a few spots in the Draft. Huge considering the asking price was rumored to be Athanasiou or Svechnikov in order for someone to take it. So obviously im excited because this means Holland will be more aggressive this offseason. Teams were being greedy. Cap hit but no actual money. Arizona wouldn't need that space anyway. They'd be fools not to move up for the better asset
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 0:42:08 GMT -5
Detroit not only moves Datsyuk's contract, but they get a second for it all while moving a few spots in the Draft. Huge considering the asking price was rumored to be Athanasiou or Svechnikov in order for someone to take it. So obviously im excited because this means Holland will be more aggressive this offseason. Teams were being greedy. Cap hit but no actual money. Arizona wouldn't need that space anyway. They'd be fools not to move up for the better asset Well the only reason they did it is cause they were desperate for Jakob Chychrun, which worked out for us perfectly. I think the alternative was to hold onto the cap hit until Stamkos agreed (if he does) to sign here and then try to trade the caphit with whatever we needed to.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Jun 25, 2016 4:15:43 GMT -5
Lots of Pens fans are pretty pissed Calgary traded for Elliot over Fleury. But Elliot has a 2.5 cap hit and only cost a 2nd. Apparently Rutherford wants to keep Fleury, and would only trade him for a 1st+, and from Calgary, he wanted our 6th overall, or all three of our seconds. Lol nope
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