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Post by vampiroporvida on Jun 24, 2016 22:35:46 GMT -5
Hey guys, as an American, I was wondering how you UK folks are feeling about leaving the EU? What do you guys see as the upsides/downsides? I found this to be a very big event for the world over, and being a Texan, a bit of hope for those in our state wanting to secede (I don't know if it is a good idea, or if it could even happen, but....). I look forward to talking with you guys about this historic event. God speed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 4:31:25 GMT -5
As a remain voter Im hoping London or Scotland push for independence and for a place in the EU as I'll be moving there if so. Where I live in west midlands was majority leave and I no longer wish to live amongst a populace of xenophobic mouth breathers. I've never felt more ashamed to be English and never felt more alienated from those around me.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Jun 25, 2016 6:26:39 GMT -5
As a remain voter Im hoping London or Scotland push for independence and for a place in the EU as I'll be moving there if so. Where I live in west midlands was majority leave and I no longer wish to live amongst a populace of xenophobic mouth breathers. I've never felt more ashamed to be English and never felt more alienated from those around me. You must be a student. Ambitious and low on talent...the worse possible combination. I voted leave and I can assure you I am not a "xenophobic mouth breather" as you so ignorantly put it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 6:34:22 GMT -5
Healthcare worker. 30. Married with own home.
You must be just as ignorant.
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Post by hellojoeivers on Jun 25, 2016 7:46:19 GMT -5
I can now see why the last Brexit thread ended so badly
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Post by Escape The Rules on Jun 25, 2016 11:48:28 GMT -5
Honestly? I don't have the slightest clue about politics. I've never been directly affected by politics so I've never taken anything to do with it. I don't vote. I prefer to just live my own life in peace and not get worked up over such boring sh*te.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 11:54:27 GMT -5
The Isle of Man weren't allowed to vote, but I would've gone Remain. I think there are several possibilities now that we're out:
-A second referendum (not likely) -Scotland gets Independence -Ireland reunifies
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Post by GBGav on Jun 25, 2016 12:02:15 GMT -5
The Isle of Man weren't allowed to vote, but I would've gone Remain. I think there are several possibilities now that we're out: -A second referendum (not likely) -Scotland gets Independence -Ireland reunifies A second referendum won't happen. It's only whining sore loser remainers who want that because they didn't get the result that they wanted. But I think the pro EU MPs will do their best to sabotage exit plans as many things will require more voting within parliament. The second two points are quite likely though. But it will be amusing if Scotland leaves us and enters the EU alone, then a few years down the line once the EU has destabilised further and other countries leave it, and England/Wales are actually doing rather well, then Scotland will be like "We made a mistake. Can we come back?"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 12:05:58 GMT -5
The Isle of Man weren't allowed to vote, but I would've gone Remain. I think there are several possibilities now that we're out: -A second referendum (not likely) -Scotland gets Independence -Ireland reunifies A second referendum won't happen. It's only whining sore loser remainers who want that because they didn't get the result that they wanted. But I think the pro EU MPs will do their best to sabotage exit plans as many things will require more voting within parliament. The second two points are quite likely though. But it will be amusing if Scotland leaves us and enters the EU alone, then a few years down the line once the EU has destabilised further and other countries leave it, and England/Wales are actually doing rather well, then Scotland will be like "We made a mistake. Can we come back?" I think Sturgeon intends for Scotland to join the EU if they get Independence. I know that the EU has done some questionable things, but I had hoped to Remain in the hope that we could help to restructure it over the next few years. As their second biggest contributor, they are going to struggle without us. Juncker hasn't helped matters by insisting that we leave by the end of next week, which is impossible.
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Post by GBGav on Jun 25, 2016 12:14:43 GMT -5
A second referendum won't happen. It's only whining sore loser remainers who want that because they didn't get the result that they wanted. But I think the pro EU MPs will do their best to sabotage exit plans as many things will require more voting within parliament. The second two points are quite likely though. But it will be amusing if Scotland leaves us and enters the EU alone, then a few years down the line once the EU has destabilised further and other countries leave it, and England/Wales are actually doing rather well, then Scotland will be like "We made a mistake. Can we come back?" I think Sturgeon intends for Scotland to join the EU if they get Independence. I know that the EU has done some questionable things, but I had hoped to Remain in the hope that we could help to restructure it over the next few years. As their second biggest contributor, they are going to struggle without us. Juncker hasn't helped matters by insisting that we leave by the end of next week, which is impossible. By leaving, we can restructure it more effectively. Germany has already said they are looking to enter deals and agreements with us as a preferred partner to the Union. So we can negotiate better deals for both sides without bureaucracy tying things up. The US and Canada have stated similar things. So we can still have relations with existing European nations but we can also add the likes of China and Australia to it because we can trade directly with them instead of through EU regulations. The real losers are the poorer EU nations like Greece who can no longer rely on bailout money from us. It will have to come from everyone else inside the EU now. I just wish more people, particularly on the remain side, could see the long term vision for us. It's gonna be a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 12:18:25 GMT -5
I think Sturgeon intends for Scotland to join the EU if they get Independence. I know that the EU has done some questionable things, but I had hoped to Remain in the hope that we could help to restructure it over the next few years. As their second biggest contributor, they are going to struggle without us. Juncker hasn't helped matters by insisting that we leave by the end of next week, which is impossible. By leaving, we can restructure it more effectively. Germany has already said they are looking to enter deals and agreements with us as a preferred partner to the Union. So we can negotiate better deals for both sides without bureaucracy tying things up. The US and Canada have stated similar things. So we can still have relations with existing European nations but we can also add the likes of China and Australia to it because we can trade directly with them instead of through EU regulations. The real losers are the poorer EU nations like Greece who can no longer rely on bailout money from us. It will have to come from everyone else inside the EU now. I just wish more people, particularly on the remain side, could see the long term vision for us. It's gonna be a good thing. I hope that it'll be a good thing in the long run. But I do find it hard to trust people like Nigel Farage when they go back on a major campaign promise less than 12 hours after the vote. I am more open minded about Brexit than I was yesterday, but still not entirely convinced.
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Post by attitudesback on Jun 25, 2016 12:24:52 GMT -5
People over-reacted. No one knows exactly how it will go down. 17 year olds who think they are political experts can right off too (80% of social media chatter seems to be from them). We will see what happens.
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Post by GBGav on Jun 25, 2016 12:30:48 GMT -5
I hope that it'll be a good thing in the long run. But I do find it hard to trust people like Nigel Farage when they go back on a major campaign promise less than 12 hours after the vote. I am more open minded about Brexit than I was yesterday, but still not entirely convinced. I don't really trust Farage either. But I don't trust Cameron either so both sides have got less than desirable supporters. Though I do feel that some of what Farage said can be twisted. Yeah he said that the £350m a week could be spent on the NHS instead. But he doesn't mean it should all be spent on the NHS. I could win the lottery and say that I'm going to go out and buy a Mercedes. But I'm not going to spend it all on 10 cars. I'll buy one and use the rest to buy other things. You gotta spread the money around.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 12:46:41 GMT -5
I hope that it'll be a good thing in the long run. But I do find it hard to trust people like Nigel Farage when they go back on a major campaign promise less than 12 hours after the vote. I am more open minded about Brexit than I was yesterday, but still not entirely convinced. I don't really trust Farage either. But I don't trust Cameron either so both sides have got less than desirable supporters. Though I do feel that some of what Farage said can be twisted. Yeah he said that the £350m a week could be spent on the NHS instead. But he doesn't mean it should all be spent on the NHS. I could win the lottery and say that I'm going to go out and buy a Mercedes. But I'm not going to spend it all on 10 cars. I'll buy one and use the rest to buy other things. You gotta spread the money around. It's difficult to trust any politicians, let's be honest. Farage may not have said it, but it was definitely there: At the end of the day, they will do whatever they want to do. We can only hope that they make the right choices for the country.
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Post by AV1 on Jun 25, 2016 13:04:31 GMT -5
I wouldn't have lost any sleep had we voted to remain despite voting to leave. The UK will be fine in the lo run. The £ was always going to drop initially but it will pick back up. Also despite being told we would be at the back of the queue for trade already Canada, US, Germany and New Zealand are talking about trade deals.
Funny seeing everyone on Facebook who voted remain have a meltdown. My personal favourite is everyone thinking we will need visas to travel. 28 EU countries yet we can travel to 175 countries visa free. We have lost freedom of movement but I would be very surprised if the negotiations don't result on Britain gaining visa free access to EU countries and vice versa. I also imagine the CTA with Ireland will remain.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 13:21:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't have lost any sleep had we voted to remain despite voting to leave. The UK will be fine in the lo run. The £ was always going to drop initially but it will pick back up. Also despite being told we would be at the back of the queue for trade already Canada, US, Germany and New Zealand are talking about trade deals. Funny seeing everyone on Facebook who voted remain have a meltdown. My personal favourite is everyone thinking we will need visas to travel. 28 EU countries yet we can travel to 175 countries visa free. We have lost freedom of movement but I would be very surprised if the negotiations don't result on Britain gaining visa free access to EU countries and vice versa. I also imagine the CTA with Ireland will remain. A lot of the panic/hysteria was caused by scaremongering on both sides. Hopefully everything will work out, but I will be sad if the UK breaks up because of it.
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Post by AV1 on Jun 25, 2016 13:36:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't have lost any sleep had we voted to remain despite voting to leave. The UK will be fine in the lo run. The £ was always going to drop initially but it will pick back up. Also despite being told we would be at the back of the queue for trade already Canada, US, Germany and New Zealand are talking about trade deals. Funny seeing everyone on Facebook who voted remain have a meltdown. My personal favourite is everyone thinking we will need visas to travel. 28 EU countries yet we can travel to 175 countries visa free. We have lost freedom of movement but I would be very surprised if the negotiations don't result on Britain gaining visa free access to EU countries and vice versa. I also imagine the CTA with Ireland will remain. A lot of the panic/hysteria was caused by scaremongering on both sides. Hopefully everything will work out, but I will be sad if the UK breaks up because of it. I personally voted yes in the last referendum but I think while the option should be on the table the Scottish government should wait and see what happens with Brexit before deciding whether to go for Independence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 13:38:13 GMT -5
A lot of the panic/hysteria was caused by scaremongering on both sides. Hopefully everything will work out, but I will be sad if the UK breaks up because of it. I personally voted yes in the last referendum but I think while the option should be on the table the Scottish government should wait and see what happens with Brexit before deciding whether to go for Independence. Sturgeon has always been up-front about what she wants for Scotland. She knows now is the perfect time to get it done. I doubt she'll wait because of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 14:28:44 GMT -5
As a remain voter Im hoping London or Scotland push for independence and for a place in the EU as I'll be moving there if so. Where I live in west midlands was majority leave and I no longer wish to live amongst a populace of xenophobic mouth breathers. I've never felt more ashamed to be English and never felt more alienated from those around me. You must be a student. Ambitious and low on talent...the worse possible combination. I voted leave and I can assure you I am not a "xenophobic mouth breather" as you so ignorantly put it. As an American is always blows my mind that people who want border and immigration enforced are referred to as "Xenophobic". Japan, North Korea, and China do not allow immigration and they get along just fine. From what I am gathering leaving is about prosperity, having your own sovereignty, and an identity and a boarder that is enforced. There is nothing wrong with that. In America, where I am located, The Obama administration is trying to bring in 200,000 refugees that can not be properly vetted. The CIA has come out and said it. What gets me is, they couldn't save four people in Bengazhi but they can save 200,000 people? Yeah, right.... We have things like the dream act here, money that goes towards the education of illegals when that money could be better suited for our own children to ensure they do not get left behind. People that contribute nothing in the least but take the most of us all. We had a deadlock in the SC and I am glad.. because had they voted the way the liberals wanted it to go all those people would more or less gain legal status and reap even more benefits. They don't pay taxes, and even if they obtain legal status I assume they are exempt from taxes for a period of time. Meanwhile we pay taxes for illegals to get benefits that everyone else cant get. Who the hell wants to pay taxes for that? They are truly an albatross and parasitic when it comes to the benefits our country gives them with the money hardworking people pay into taxes. That being said we do have good hardworking people that come here legally and get benefits, like tax exemptions on businesses they open up, which I agree and understand. They are creating and providing jobs and they make the most money they can to run a successful business for a period of time before they start paying. Everyone complains about the allocation of money or not having enough of it but refuse to look at programs and use common sense in order to cut the senseless programs out and allocate that money to where it should be. Instead they would rather tax us more and make us pay more money weekly or bi-weekly. So, with that said, I understand the frusturation. I dont look at at as being xenophobic because my problem is with those people in regards to their skin color, creed, culture or religion. It has to do with them breaking laws, contributing to a problem that my Government has no intention of solving, just making it worse at the expense of tax payers just because they want to expand the party. That is all it has to do with... getting more voters.
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Post by hellojoeivers on Jun 25, 2016 14:49:17 GMT -5
I think the thing about racism and xenophobia has been blown out of proportion somewhat, I voted remain but I don't believe every leave voter is a racist, BUT... there are leave supporters who seemed to have this warped mentality that by voting leave, Marcos, the plumber living two doors down, would be bundled into a van first thing on Friday morning and sent back to Poland
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