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Post by WF72 on Jul 11, 2016 15:44:15 GMT -5
I was thinking about this, and I'm not very sure. So if they didn't jump ship, the Curtian Call wouldn't have happened, thus Austin wouldn't have won the KOTR, and Austin 3:16 never would've happened. But on the WCW side, the NWO wouldn't have been formed (or at least not have been the same), and thus WCW wouldn't Have been given the ratings boost.
Personally, in the end I think the WWF would have still won. While Austin was made much more popular via Austin 3:16, it wasn't exactly what got him started (his promos in ECW did), but it might not have had him be as popular, and might have fizzled out, but I doubt it.
I'm sorry if this was too Rambly I tried to make it coherent
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Post by PJ on Jul 11, 2016 15:59:42 GMT -5
As good as the NWO concept was in the first year to year and a half WCW wouldn't have turned to cr@p in the end, because WCW was the better product even before Hall and Nash jumped.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 11, 2016 16:00:12 GMT -5
I think about that too sometimes. And it's crazy to wrap your head around. So many possibilities.
wCw would continue to have pushed Red/Yellow Hogan down our throats. We would have had 100 more Hogan vs Flair matches. The Yeti would be a 3 time wCw champion. But on the plus side, Sting would have stayed with the surfer look.
Vince firmly in control would continue to push occupations off as wrestlers. Milkmen, newspaper boys, and air traffic control men would dominate the mid-card for many years. Jericho would have debuted as a yoga instructor name Hans. Austin 3:16 would never have been born so he never would have broken that glass ceiling.
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Post by PJ on Jul 11, 2016 16:13:30 GMT -5
I think Jericho, Benoit, Eddie, Malenko and Saturn would have stayed in WCW because without the NWO being the only thing they focused on they would have had better bookings. Besides Stone Cold not happening Goldberg would have probably never happened either.
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Post by BIG MCLARGEHUGE on Jul 11, 2016 17:17:04 GMT -5
I was thinking about this, and I'm not very sure. So if they didn't jump ship, the Curtian Call wouldn't have happened, thus Austin wouldn't have won the KOTR, and Austin 3:16 never would've happened. But on the WCW side, the NWO wouldn't have been formed (or at least not have been the same), and thus WCW wouldn't Have been given the ratings boost. Personally, in the end I think the WWF would have still won. While Austin was made much more popular via Austin 3:16, it wasn't exactly what got him started (his promos in ECW did), but it might not have had him be as popular, and might have fizzled out, but I doubt it. I'm sorry if this was too Rambly I tried to make it coherent Great idea for a thread. You kind of have to see your entry point here... I'll stick with WWF just so others can play too. So Nash and Hall would have stayed if Vince changed their contacts for a little more. They both have said they wanted to make more money and that's why they left -- not a crazy dispute or anything. If they stayed...that new generation stuff would have lasted for a few more years. Michaels as champion would have feuded with all four of them in some capacity. Thing is, Vince back then rarely let an act go stale. He pushed out Backlund in 84. Hogan in 93. Savage in 94. Hart in 96/97. Michaels in 98. (Or injury did but Austin was ready to take over) and Austin 2002. Surprised Cena lasted this long but you can clearly see the new faces are popping up. Nash and Hall would have been mainstays but I just can't see Austin not becoming the man in 98. Maybe the Kliq would just be more guys for Austin to beat. |
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Post by He Hate Me on Jul 11, 2016 17:41:19 GMT -5
We never would have gotten the Undertaker's WM streak. Nash claims he was going over at WM12 until it became known he was leaving. One thing I always wondered was if Nash and Hall were in the WWF in 97, would they have been in DX with Michaels and Triple H? 1997 was a very enjoyable year in wrestling so I'm glad everything went down the way it did.
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Post by PJ on Jul 11, 2016 17:57:01 GMT -5
Better yet would Triple H ever evolved to the game? No curtain call and he wouldn't have been the guy in the dog house. So the interview he had with JR never would have happened.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jul 11, 2016 22:59:38 GMT -5
DX would have been The Kliq plain and simple.
Austin doesn't get to superstardom and most likely mid-cards his entire career.
Rock would have been LUCKY to even get a nice Mid-Card career.
No NWO.
Guys like Angle, Jericho, Benoit, Foley, Kane, etc would have NEVER reached the level they did.
Pretty much the world would have exploded....
I wish they would have stayed but at the same time them leaving opened SO MANY doors in so many different places.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 12, 2016 10:54:24 GMT -5
I think that there would have been an NWO because I thought I heard Bischoff had plans to do that anyhow even before Nash and Hall came in??
They already tried a trial run in late 95 with having the Japanese guys over and the whole thing where Bobby Heenan tried to sell WCW, or part of it, to Sonny Ono. I forget how it all went down. But it was seen as a small invasion type angle.
I am sure the NWO would have happened eventually, just not with Hall and Nash. Which is kind of shocking if you think of it, because the NWO was pretty much Hall and Nash, and then adding Hogan into the mix.
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Post by Cane Dewey Riley on Jul 12, 2016 11:57:15 GMT -5
I always wondered what WWE would have done with Razor Ramon and Diesel had they stayed with WWE because eventually it seems like they would have had to evolve out of their characters- which felt cartoonish when we were getting into a more realistic time in wrestling- like would Scott Hall have burned his Razor Ramon vest and said Razor Ramon is dead? It's along the same lines of how Road Dogg and Billy Gunn stopped being The Roadie and Rockabilly, you know.
I think WCW would have still found someone to be "The Outsiders" though and then of course the Hogan heel turn would have still happened. Austin 3:!6 would have eventually happened though just because you can only hold back talent so long before it explodes.
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Post by koreygunz on Jul 12, 2016 14:53:35 GMT -5
I always wondered what WWE would have done with Razor Ramon and Diesel had they stayed with WWE because eventually it seems like they would have had to evolve out of their characters- which felt cartoonish when we were getting into a more realistic time in wrestling- like would Scott Hall have burned his Razor Ramon vest and said Razor Ramon is dead? It's along the same lines of how Road Dogg and Billy Gunn stopped being The Roadie and Rockabilly, you know. I think WCW would have still found someone to be "The Outsiders" though and then of course the Hogan heel turn would have still happened. Austin 3:!6 would have eventually happened though just because you can only hold back talent so long before it explodes. I disagree, the Hogan turn would NEVER happen without Hall and Nash. Hogan had to be talked into the heel turn as it was, and it took two stars the caliber of Hall and Nash, and a believable storyline to boot, to get him to agree to it. He never would have been pursuaded otherwise. There are no "Outsiders" and no NWO without Hall and Nash. |
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Post by WF72 on Jul 12, 2016 15:13:46 GMT -5
I always wondered what WWE would have done with Razor Ramon and Diesel had they stayed with WWE because eventually it seems like they would have had to evolve out of their characters- which felt cartoonish when we were getting into a more realistic time in wrestling- like would Scott Hall have burned his Razor Ramon vest and said Razor Ramon is dead? It's along the same lines of how Road Dogg and Billy Gunn stopped being The Roadie and Rockabilly, you know. I think WCW would have still found someone to be "The Outsiders" though and then of course the Hogan heel turn would have still happened. Austin 3:!6 would have eventually happened though just because you can only hold back talent so long before it explodes. I disagree, the Hogan turn would NEVER happen without Hall and Nash. Hogan had to be talked into the heel turn as it was, and it took two stars the caliber of Hall and Nash, and a believable storyline to boot, to get him to agree to it. He never would have been pursuaded otherwise. There are no "Outsiders" and no NWO without Hall and Nash. From what I heard, didn't hogan suggest him be the 3rd man? |
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Post by PJ on Jul 12, 2016 16:16:20 GMT -5
I am pretty sure I have read and seen interviews where Hall and Nash said Sting refused to be the third member so they went to Hogan.
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jul 12, 2016 17:09:14 GMT -5
Politics probably run amok more in WWF.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jul 12, 2016 18:49:21 GMT -5
We probably wouldn't be sitting here now due to the forum being non existent.
Seriously though the nWo made wrestling big. WCW's ratings went up which forced Vince to create the Attitude era and then boom wrestling became the greatest thing on tv.
At some point WCW still would've went out of business and a WWE without the Attitude era would never have been as successful due to it being a sinking ship in the early 90's.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jul 12, 2016 18:51:17 GMT -5
Oh boy... I have a lot to say about all of this. Had Scott Hall & Kevin Nash stayed the WWF, a lot of things we say wouldn't have taken place. Without Hall & Nash, there wouldn't be no nWo. Kevin Sullivan mentioned many times on the MSL & Sullivan Show. Stating Hulk Hogan was very reluctant to turn heel and had to convince him it was the right move. With Hall & Nash being there, it created the perfect storm. With that said, with Hall & Nash being in the WWF, the Curtain Call wouldn't have taken place and Triple H would have became king at the 1996 King of the Ring. This leaves Steve Austin as a mechanic who is trying to break through the glass ceiling.
Since Austin is being held back (Vince McMahon saw no $$$ signs on Austin), Austin would have a tough time trying to move up the ladder. Hall & Nash not being there, it benefited Austin. Austin was able to move up the ladder, have two grand performances against Bret Hart (Survivor Series 1996 & WrestleMania XII). What made Bret want to work with Austin was Bret got to see Austin's matches in WCW. Also, felt Austin needed the rub after falling dormant after the 1996 KOTR. With the absence of Hall & Nash, all of what we did see happened.
On the WCW side, sure there was RAW & Nitro competing. When Hall appeared on Nitro gave fans a reason to watch Nitro (that night, it was the first two-hour Nitro) and see what was next. Two weeks later, Nash appeared for the first time. What made the Monday Night War exciting was we couldn't predict what was going to happen. For 1996, the majority of wrestling fans didn't have the internet. My family and I didn't get our first home computer till November of 1996. Soon after, we got internet access. With limited access to information, people weren't privy to the industry like it is today.
Without the nWo, there wouldn't have been no D-Generation X. I can assure you that. Had Hall & Nash stayed in the WWF, it would have caused the industry not to have its last great boom period. The perfect storm I mentioned earlier made people tune into wrestling. I have more to say but I'm ending it here.
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Post by wolfpac on Jul 13, 2016 18:25:49 GMT -5
A few things I feel would have happened..
The Kliq would rise to power, I feel as Bret, Davey and Maybe Owen would have left the WWF for WCW Earlier.
HHH would have gotten a big push (Over Austin) but Austin still would be a mega star. I feel as HHH wasn't ready in '96 and it would have been a failed push although the Kliq would keep him upper-mid card
Razer wouldn't have lasted, I feel as maybe his drug/drinking would have gotten out of hand and he would have been taken off TV by '98
Nash would be the "Austin" type of Heel acting Babyface. I could have seen a name change, Kevin "Diesel" Nash would come to mind first. Nash and Austin would have had a major feud around 97-98
Rock may have been held down a bit, but he still would become a star. I don't think he would have been champion by '98
HBK Would have gotten hurt sometime regardless, but he may not have been the guy dropping the title to Austin at WM14, that might have been Nash.
X-pac may not have become X-pac, but he Character needed a change. He would have joined DX earlier.
Mankind would have never gotten the title, or at least not 3 times. Maybe only the one feel good moment, but if Rock never got it at SS then Mankind doesn't get it either.
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 13, 2016 19:03:01 GMT -5
In the Michaels/Hart rivalry dvd, Bret noted that when Shawn was told of plans to win the HW title, that Shawn started making plans with his buddies to be in his title matches. Shawn would have fueds with Diesel, Hunter and even Kid. So I'd imagine if Hall and Nash stayed, that they'd probably be in the title scene-most likely up to a year after WrestleMania 12. MAYBE then Austin would be able to break through with matches with Bret. Probably another year after that for Mankind and Rock to break through.
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Post by WWE4Life! on Jul 16, 2016 22:08:09 GMT -5
It certainly is interesting to think about. I think the biggest difference would be no NWO. It is possible the gimmick could have been given to some one else, but would it have been as successful without Hall and Nash. I don't think so. It probably would have fizzled out, thus no Hogan heel turn.
Wcw would probably still have their big draws like the cruiserweight division and later Goldberg would have made an even greater impact because he wouldn't have been derailed by the nwo. Bret may have still made the jump but with less controversy. Wcw may never have had the post NWO chaos booking that ended killing the promotion either. We could still be watching 2 competing wrestling shows on Monday night.
On the WWF side, the main event scene would have been more filled out during Michaels' and Hart's title reigns. It would have been more difficult for guys like Austin and the Rock to get over, but I think it would have happened for them anyway. The Mr McMahon character may never have been born which would have changed things drastically. Although it may still have happened depending on how Austin's character evolved. Michaels' career may not have been shortened by the back injury, since he might not have been in that casket match.
There are so many things that would have changed it is almost impossible to imagine what would have happened. If wcw didn't spend the money on Hall and Nash, who would they have gotten instead? Michaels? Taker? So many possibilities.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 17, 2016 4:54:06 GMT -5
The permutations are endless because of the massive impact this had on the business. One thing is definte......WCWs ratings went off the chart with the invader angle which led to the nWo which led to ratings dominance......and Vince would never have been pushed out of his comfort zone.
Plus no KOTR win for Austin which was CRUCIAL.
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