hbkowns
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Post by hbkowns on Aug 16, 2016 12:41:47 GMT -5
I've recently been seeing promotional stuff for wwe. Posters and whatnot. Ambrose is usually front and center of all of the products. The Summerslam poster, the upcoming no mercy promo material. His merch is always selling like hot cakes. Can we finally say we have "the guy" other than Cena?
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Post by BSR on Aug 16, 2016 12:49:28 GMT -5
No.
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Post by Sizzle on Aug 16, 2016 12:49:56 GMT -5
He should be. He's beloved by the whole crowd, child or adult, and is always entertaining and sells a lot of merch as you said, so I think he should be in the top guy position.
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 16, 2016 12:50:47 GMT -5
I don't think they have a "guy" right now. Not even Cena. They are in that weird process of trying to find one. I think they are starting to panic thinking they won't be able to though, judging by how hard they try to shove Roman down our throats
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Post by J12 on Aug 16, 2016 12:54:25 GMT -5
No. They don't have a replacement for Cena. He's still the cash cow.
Ambrose is the captain of the B-Show who lucked into that position because the golden boy got a wellness suspension. Unfortunately, that's all it boils down to.
Don't get me wrong, Ambrose is a beneficial asset, but he's not drawing. He's more successful than Roman Reigns, in that he's able to draw similar crowds and sell comparable amounts of merchandise with significantly less exposure (though he's more or less on equal footing now in that department.) He's not moving the needle, though.
I think we've seen the last of the breakout, undisputed stars for a while. WWE has done absolutely everything in their power to ensure that no one wrestler is bigger than the brand, so that they always have the bargaining power. WWE isn't about promoting stars anymore, they're about promoting a brand. It doesn't work, and attendance and ratings prove that, but that seems to be the route that they're hell bent on taking. We're in an era of an ensemble cast with no leading man.
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Post by UltimateCollector78 on Aug 16, 2016 12:58:25 GMT -5
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Post by King Richius on Aug 16, 2016 13:05:55 GMT -5
Ambrose is the champ but Cena remains the face of the company.
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Post by DeadlyGame on Aug 16, 2016 13:08:49 GMT -5
I hope they do promote Ambrose as their top face, at least on SmackDown. He may have lucked into his spot but he's running with it.
Cena turns 40 in April. More days are behind him than ahead.
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Post by Rob on Aug 16, 2016 13:09:17 GMT -5
There is no "guy" right now
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Post by KingOfKings™ on Aug 16, 2016 13:20:42 GMT -5
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Post by marino13 on Aug 16, 2016 13:26:00 GMT -5
I'd say he's still behind Cena. Most will be till he retires. But I think it's safe to say Dean has surpassed Roman. And it's obvious he's moved up in Vince's eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 13:36:38 GMT -5
Cena is still number 1 regardless of his position on the card and it'll be that way until hend either goes part time or retires.
I think they have finally realised ambrose has what it takes to be the next "guy". However I don't think they need one man to carry the show in this era. All three former shield members will rotate at the top for years to come as well as guys like Balor, Styles and possibly KO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 13:43:29 GMT -5
He's definitely up there, especially in popularity.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 16, 2016 14:33:51 GMT -5
No. They don't have a replacement for Cena. He's still the cash cow. Ambrose is the captain of the B-Show who lucked into that position because the golden boy got a wellness suspension. Unfortunately, that's all it boils down to. Don't get me wrong, Ambrose is a beneficial asset, but he's not drawing. He's more successful than Roman Reigns, in that he's able to draw similar crowds and sell comparable amounts of merchandise with significantly less exposure (though he's more or less on equal footing now in that department.) He's not moving the needle, though. I think we've seen the last of the breakout, undisputed stars for a while. WWE has done absolutely everything in their power to ensure that no one wrestler is bigger than the brand, so that they always have the bargaining power. WWE isn't about promoting stars anymore, they're about promoting a brand. It doesn't work, and attendance and ratings prove that, but that seems to be the route that they're hell bent on taking. We're in an era of an ensemble cast with no leading man. Well said on every word. As long as John Cena is still under the WWE's umbrella, nobody would sit in his throne. The WWE had a sure thing with Roman Reigns but there was one major factor that hurt Reigns. Nothing felt organic about the rise of Roman Reigns. With Dean Ambrose, it felt organic yet sudden. I read recently the idea to have Ambrose win Money In The Bank and became the WWE Champion was a decision made a few days before the MITB PPV. When they found out Reigns go popped for a Wellness Policy Violation, it benefited Ambrose. Ambrose is at the right place, at the right time. Reigns has been in the right place but at the wrong time. When PWInsider's Mike Johnson was on Jim Cornette's podcast last year, he saw the angry faces after Reigns won the 2015 Royal Rumble match. As Johnson was there live in Philadelphia. Imagine if this happened twn years prior when Batista won the 2005 Royal Rumble match. The WWE has lost sight what allows a new main event talent to get over these days. Batista and John Cena's rise was done very organically and not forced. What helped Batista was fans seeing Triple H get his comeuppance. If the WWE took notes and see why John Cena and Batista became household names, they can draw even more money with guys like Reigns, Set Rollins, and even Ambrose. The Dean Ambrose/Dolph Ziggler program feels more of a Intercontinental/US Championship-esque feud. It seems like the WWE is too focused on branding their image as WWE and making the performers secondary. If the WWE had this mentality in the '80's, they wouldn't have thrived. Makes you wonder why Vince Russo is pissed off at the WWE. I do agree, there should be more eyeballs but the machine is incompetent to realize their performers is their biggest real estate, not the brand. |
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Aug 16, 2016 14:59:25 GMT -5
The way I see it right now, Dean Ambrose is the Face of the WWE. He has been since Money In The Bank 2016. He will be until SummerSlam, when the new WWE Universal Champion is crowned. After SummerSlam, the WWE World Champion becomes “1B” to the WWE Universal Champion’s “1A”. It’ll be the similar to when the Big Gold Belt was active. I always considered the World Heavyweight Champion a step lower than the WWE Champion, no matter what show they were on.
John Cena, on the other hand, in my opinion, is the WWE Legend / future WWE Hall Of Famer that just happens to be on a full time schedule. He’s past being the Face of the company now. I am at the point now, where I’m hoping Cena shows up to Smackdown on the Tuesday after Backlash 2016, just so my Son can finally see him in person, when I take my Son to his first WWE show.
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Post by weaseltv on Aug 16, 2016 15:33:06 GMT -5
he's only Champion of the World.. not the Universe....
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Post by Red Dragon on Aug 16, 2016 15:40:36 GMT -5
Just watched the Stone Cold Podcast with Ambrose. If Abrose listened to Stone Cold and WWE actually gave Ambrose the opportunity to do what he wanted then I think he could become the guy.
At the moment, nope.
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Post by hbchris on Aug 16, 2016 17:45:54 GMT -5
If he'd been the guy promoting SummerSlam on The Late Show last week, I'd say yes. But it wasn't. It was John Cena. He's still their guy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 17:59:38 GMT -5
Who needs a guy, when you have the man?  |
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Post by TurboEddie on Aug 16, 2016 18:31:05 GMT -5
There shouldn't be a "guy". WWE should showcase all of their talent instead of only one.
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