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Post by J12 on Aug 24, 2016 9:25:03 GMT -5
Interesting that the general consensus is that it's a work, because there's some word going around that it wasn't. Bryan has made some interesting comments on Talking Smack before, and I could easily see his emotions getting the better of him here. Things got rather personal.
In any case, The Miz is great, and has been great for quite a long time.
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Post by tarver89 on Aug 24, 2016 9:26:17 GMT -5
Miz is 100% right on this. I respect him.
In my opinion he's way too underrated and overlooked by everyone.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 24, 2016 9:29:30 GMT -5
Miz has been incredible since right after Mania. Having Maryse with him has also given him another gear. I've been critical of Miz for awhile because he was doing and saying the same things and genuinely garnering X-pac heat at times, but I think right around the time he had those matches with AJ Styles earlier this year is when I felt like something was different. Unleashed Miz is off the charts. That's the same Miz that cut that respect promo in 2010 when he was US Champ.
SummerSlam was the first time I really found myself pulling for Miz to retain the IC Title. He should keep that title for a long while. At least until someone emerges who is worthy of wearing it. Crews isn't that guy yet. Crews doesn't have a character, and that's coming from someone who loves AC's ring work.
Credit where credit is due, that was awesome.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Aug 24, 2016 10:24:14 GMT -5
I'm really hoping that now that the titles are split up, Miz gets a wwe title run again
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Post by ZDB on Aug 24, 2016 12:30:57 GMT -5
Pretty happy the morale on Miz is going up
Very under appreciated character
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Post by k5 on Aug 24, 2016 13:09:01 GMT -5
amazing promo for sure. he's a great talker - now only if he could actually, you know, wrestle well?
pretty funny that daniel bryan was saying the same things about the miz that i was in the summerslam thread. when i think of that lame ass 'wwe style' that they had going there a few years ago before this new generation of actually skilled workers, miz is near the top of the list for just bland, dull, average matches. up there with sheamus, jack swagger, carlito, chris masters...list goes on.
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Post by The Future on Aug 24, 2016 13:18:59 GMT -5
His point was that he (Miz) isn't a coward because he's been here in WWE for the past 10 years, that his 'coward' style in the ring has allowed him to never get injured wrestling. Meanwhile, Bryan's ring style cost him his career and that if he wasn't such a 'coward', he would quit WWE & go back to the indies where he could wrestle at smaller venues (bingo halls) instead of stay there & never compete again. I friggin' loved it. Called out a very real concern people on the internet have had, obviously struck a nerve with Bryan (whether worked or not) and really brought attention to the product in a blurring lines of kayfabe way that not even the Lesnar fight did. We need more of this. That's a dumb comparison, IMO. Bryan literally gave his body for the fans because this is what he loved to do and he still went 110 mph even after he came back from his first injury. Miz, on the other hand, wrestles an extraordinarily generic and boring style that's a dime a dozen in the company these days. Nothing about him stands out. I'd rather go out giving the people something that made them believe and connect with me than stick around toiling in mid-card galore for my entire career. That should've been Bryan's response. Well yeah I think that's what he implied initially saying hed consider his style the most vanilla, safe style like most WWE guys of his time. So when Miz clapped back it was that much more shocking because most of us had never seen it that way...although I don't agree with Miz on D Bry being a coward, he totally could have done without the countless headbutts and suicide dives when he came back for his (what turned out to be his) final run. I can still really enjoy a promo without agreeing with all the main points. It was the passion and emphasis it was delivered and the very heelish perception of Bryans career that made it a holy chit moment.
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Post by xtremebadass on Aug 24, 2016 13:40:29 GMT -5
Someone please enlighten me as to how getting injured means you're a coward? What sort of logic is that?
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Aug 24, 2016 13:51:06 GMT -5
He's a dick. Bryan would quit if it wasn't for Brie. Miz is saying that if daniel loved wrestling so much that hed quit wwe and go back to the indys...because daniels other doctor cleared him but the wwe doctor didnt.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 24, 2016 13:51:13 GMT -5
That's a dumb comparison, IMO. Bryan literally gave his body for the fans because this is what he loved to do and he still went 110 mph even after he came back from his first injury. Miz, on the other hand, wrestles an extraordinarily generic and boring style that's a dime a dozen in the company these days. Nothing about him stands out. I'd rather go out giving the people something that made them believe and connect with me than stick around toiling in mid-card galore for my entire career. That should've been Bryan's response. Well yeah I think that's what he implied initially saying hed consider his style the most vanilla, safe style like most WWE guys of his time. So when Miz clapped back it was that much more shocking because most of us had never seen it that way...although I don't agree with Miz on D Bry being a coward, he totally could have done without the countless headbutts and suicide dives when he came back for his (what turned out to be his) final run. I can still really enjoy a promo without agreeing with all the main points. It was the passion and emphasis it was delivered and the very heelish perception of Bryans career that made it a holy chit moment. Eh, I think your points need to make sense in order to deliver a really good promo. Miz just made himself look like a bigger tool, IMO, by admitting he'd rather wrestle as generically as possible than do something that's going to actually make him worth watching. If anything, this promo proved what Daniel Bryan said about Miz was true.
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Post by Gone. on Aug 24, 2016 14:10:10 GMT -5
He's a dick. Bryan would quit if it wasn't for Brie. Miz is saying that if daniel loved wrestling so much that hed quit wwe and go back to the indys...because daniels other doctor cleared him but the wwe doctor didnt. Did my post make me appear confused?
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Post by The Future on Aug 24, 2016 14:21:23 GMT -5
Well yeah I think that's what he implied initially saying hed consider his style the most vanilla, safe style like most WWE guys of his time. So when Miz clapped back it was that much more shocking because most of us had never seen it that way...although I don't agree with Miz on D Bry being a coward, he totally could have done without the countless headbutts and suicide dives when he came back for his (what turned out to be his) final run. I can still really enjoy a promo without agreeing with all the main points. It was the passion and emphasis it was delivered and the very heelish perception of Bryans career that made it a holy chit moment. Eh, I think your points need to make sense in order to deliver a really good promo. Miz just made himself look like a bigger tool, IMO, by admitting he'd rather wrestle as generically as possible than do something that's going to actually make him worth watching. If anything, this promo proved what Daniel Bryan said about Miz was true. But Miz's character is a heel...and a Dick. He doesn't care about enticing the crowd. And while Bryans point about Miz being a coward and his ring style were one point, Miz separated his into the style Bryan works to please these fans and how he's a coward for not chasing his true dream and quitting to compete again. Makes some sense.
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Post by Rob on Aug 24, 2016 14:23:57 GMT -5
See, This is the problem with the Miz. WWE for years has always been about the generic slow paced wrestling type. Match quality meant nothing to WWE. WWE was ashamed for even being a "wrestling" company a few years ago. Suddenly Punk/Bryan, 2 Indy guys come in and start showcasing the "indy" style of wrestling. Hard hitting, fast paced and storytelling and leaving it all in the ring. They raised the bar so high and changed the landscape of WWE.
Fast forward 2-3 years, Indy guys dominate WWE right now, There are more indy guys on the roster now than "home grown" guys. It became sink or swim for several mid carders/top guys around before the Indy invasion. Cena adapted and swam. Dude has been putting on the matches of his career the last 2 years. Miz? He sank. He cant hang in ring. If he really thinks "playing it safe" is what is keeping him around, Thats why he fell down the ranks the way he did while guys like Bryan/Punk/Balor/Rollins/Ambrose took over the main event scene.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 24, 2016 14:34:43 GMT -5
Well yeah I think that's what he implied initially saying hed consider his style the most vanilla, safe style like most WWE guys of his time. So when Miz clapped back it was that much more shocking because most of us had never seen it that way...although I don't agree with Miz on D Bry being a coward, he totally could have done without the countless headbutts and suicide dives when he came back for his (what turned out to be his) final run. I can still really enjoy a promo without agreeing with all the main points. It was the passion and emphasis it was delivered and the very heelish perception of Bryans career that made it a holy chit moment. Eh, I think your points need to make sense in order to deliver a really good promo. Miz just made himself look like a bigger tool, IMO, by admitting he'd rather wrestle as generically as possible than do something that's going to actually make him worth watching. If anything, this promo proved what Daniel Bryan said about Miz was true. That's what makes it a heel promo and not a baby face promo.
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Post by tiny04 on Aug 24, 2016 14:52:59 GMT -5
Someone please enlighten me as to how getting injured means you're a coward? What sort of logic is that? I think what Miz meant was that if Bryan loved wrestling as much as he said he'd quit WWE and go back to wrestling Indy shows, because doctors have told Bryan he can wrestle, just not WWE's doctor, but he won't do that so he's a coward in Miz's mind. That's what I took from that anyway.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 24, 2016 15:01:15 GMT -5
Well yeah I think that's what he implied initially saying hed consider his style the most vanilla, safe style like most WWE guys of his time. So when Miz clapped back it was that much more shocking because most of us had never seen it that way...although I don't agree with Miz on D Bry being a coward, he totally could have done without the countless headbutts and suicide dives when he came back for his (what turned out to be his) final run. I can still really enjoy a promo without agreeing with all the main points. It was the passion and emphasis it was delivered and the very heelish perception of Bryans career that made it a holy chit moment. Eh, I think your points need to make sense in order to deliver a really good promo. Miz just made himself look like a bigger tool, IMO, by admitting he'd rather wrestle as generically as possible than do something that's going to actually make him worth watching. If anything, this promo proved what Daniel Bryan said about Miz was true. And Daniel Bryan walking away crying proved that what Miz said about him was true. That's what made it so great. They're both right, just with different perspectives. The "indiez rule, I hate WWE, never watching again" types hate Miz even more than ever as a result of this clip, and that's exactly what he was going for. Hell, that was probably the only purpose of the promo, because it sure isn't building a Miz vs Bryan match. The big question is, who is going to stand up for Bryan against Miz next week to follow this up? My money is on Ziggler. Or maybe Kane, either as the "you're facing THIS MAN" surprise monster or because he's furious at Miz for making his friend cry.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 15:10:50 GMT -5
Such a great promo. I love how real it felt with Bryan walking off towards the end. Miz really is a hidden gem in the company
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Post by Mox on Aug 24, 2016 15:15:38 GMT -5
I mean, are we still sure this was a work? I know, it's still real to me...but Renee's reaction has me wondering.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 15:20:58 GMT -5
I mean, are we still sure this was a work? I know, it's still real to me...but Renee's reaction has me wondering. It could have been something Miz and Bryan got together and came up with to try and get a legit reaction out of people
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Post by marino13 on Aug 24, 2016 15:28:55 GMT -5
Fantastic promo from potentially the next Indian Jones!
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