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Post by Ember's Flame on Aug 26, 2016 20:27:25 GMT -5
E12 Kane is one of the very few Mattel figures I never found. I would love it with a Blue Strap WWF Big Eagle belt.
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Post by Decky on Aug 26, 2016 20:31:13 GMT -5
I definitely see your point. I am completely OK with repaints of older figures I missed (SS Heritage Jim Duggan is a great example) But re-releases: a) prevent paying extortionate prices on eBay b) fill holes in collections c) help out newer collectors d) profit of sales can go towards budgets for new figures I know Bill said its a one off, but the odd wave of Elite 'Lost Legends' is a nice idea I think. I respectfully disagree. Rerelease kills the secondary market, and despite popular belief, a strong secondary market brings new collectors to the product, turns it into a 'collectable' market and a collectable product. Will also help the product in the long term. No, I do not collect for value, which is why I have no problem with repaints. Rereleases are little more then a short sighted money grab by Mattel, and I get it, they are business etc, but at what cost. We have already seen collectors bow out because if Mattel increases rereleases what is the point? Nothing wrong with wanting an overall collection to hold some collectable value. This is easily sustained by Mattel, via repaints (see hasbro values) Your point about the sales profit going to the budget of figures? Best I can tell Mattel WWE has never been more popular (I could be wrong) yet I would contest the overall quality of figures has dropped. The fact we get the level of figures we do currently is likely due to the clever thinking of MDT. (Again could be wrong - but nothing backs up your point) eBay is not a bad place. Your call them 'extortionate' prices, I call it fair market value. Why, because something is worth what someone will pay. Just because a new collector doesn't value a figure at $100, doesn't mean the market doesn't. And patience is the key with eBay. nothing, and I mean nothing is ever a one off. Don't like someone's Buy it now price, be patience and what for a auction to set the market fairly. It really isn't that hard. And I'm sorry, to fill holes in your collection? Same can be achieved by repaints. If u want a certain style of Ultimate Warrior and its 4x times the price as the new one just released (thinking legends vs e26), then anti up the cash and by it. It shouldn't be rereleased because Mattel ed up the legends line to start with and no one supported it. As far as I'm concerned, and this is taking it a bit to far I'll be honest, but it is a sign of disrespect to the long time collectors of Mattel. Where's the loyalty. And finally the argument to end it all. WOULDN'T U RATHER NEW FIGURES? I respectfully agree to disagree with you disagreeing with me. eBay is not a bad place. Your call them 'extortionate' prices, I call it fair market value - Ebay is most certainly not a bad place, but You're happy for people to pay 125 dollars for a Randy Savage figure rather than a 25 dollar re-release?
And finally the argument to end it all. WOULDN'T U RATHER NEW FIGURES? - we get plenty of new figures. Plus some re-issues here and there may not be new to you, but they are new figures to a new potential collector or collector who started later.Your point about the sales profit going to the budget of figures? Best I can tell Mattel WWE has never been more popular (I could be wrong) yet I would contest the overall quality of figures has dropped. The fact we get the level of figures we do currently is likely due to the clever thinking of MDT. (Again could be wrong - but nothing backs up your point) - You don't back up your counterpoint.
Rerelease kills the secondary market, and despite popular belief, a strong secondary market brings new collectors to the product, turns it into a 'collectable' market and a collectable product. Will also help the product in the long term. - I collect figures for the right reason. I enjoy them. I want them. I dont even consider the secondary market. They are still collectible and people will always pay more for the original versions. Re-releases at better prices would suit me than paying crazy eBay prices. (This applies to some figures, not all)Finally, I am not against re-paints in the slightest. I actually said in my original post that I support them. If getting a repainted Akeem with a yellow hat instead of a blue hat means I get an Akeem figure at a reasonable price, I'd take it.
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Aug 26, 2016 20:41:01 GMT -5
None, all of them end up shelf warming.
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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on Aug 26, 2016 20:46:08 GMT -5
I would like a John Morrison elite
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 20:50:16 GMT -5
I want another Fit Finlay, don't care if it's a re-release or a flashback with the longer hair. Same, Finlay and the Road Warriors I need pretty badly (but not for grey market price).
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Post by Vamp55 on Aug 26, 2016 21:02:49 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. Rerelease kills the secondary market, and despite popular belief, a strong secondary market brings new collectors to the product, turns it into a 'collectable' market and a collectable product. Will also help the product in the long term. No, I do not collect for value, which is why I have no problem with repaints. Rereleases are little more then a short sighted money grab by Mattel, and I get it, they are business etc, but at what cost. We have already seen collectors bow out because if Mattel increases rereleases what is the point? Nothing wrong with wanting an overall collection to hold some collectable value. This is easily sustained by Mattel, via repaints (see hasbro values) Your point about the sales profit going to the budget of figures? Best I can tell Mattel WWE has never been more popular (I could be wrong) yet I would contest the overall quality of figures has dropped. The fact we get the level of figures we do currently is likely due to the clever thinking of MDT. (Again could be wrong - but nothing backs up your point) eBay is not a bad place. Your call them 'extortionate' prices, I call it fair market value. Why, because something is worth what someone will pay. Just because a new collector doesn't value a figure at $100, doesn't mean the market doesn't. And patience is the key with eBay. nothing, and I mean nothing is ever a one off. Don't like someone's Buy it now price, be patience and what for a auction to set the market fairly. It really isn't that hard. And I'm sorry, to fill holes in your collection? Same can be achieved by repaints. If u want a certain style of Ultimate Warrior and its 4x times the price as the new one just released (thinking legends vs e26), then anti up the cash and by it. It shouldn't be rereleased because Mattel ed up the legends line to start with and no one supported it. As far as I'm concerned, and this is taking it a bit to far I'll be honest, but it is a sign of disrespect to the long time collectors of Mattel. Where's the loyalty. And finally the argument to end it all. WOULDN'T U RATHER NEW FIGURES? I respectfully agree to disagree with you disagreeing with me. eBay is not a bad place. Your call them 'extortionate' prices, I call it fair market value - Ebay is most certainly not a bad place, but You're happy for people to pay 125 dollars for a Randy Savage figure rather than a 25 dollar re-release?
And finally the argument to end it all. WOULDN'T U RATHER NEW FIGURES? - we get plenty of new figures. Plus some re-issues here and there may not be new to you, but they are new figures to a new potential collector or collector who started later.Your point about the sales profit going to the budget of figures? Best I can tell Mattel WWE has never been more popular (I could be wrong) yet I would contest the overall quality of figures has dropped. The fact we get the level of figures we do currently is likely due to the clever thinking of MDT. (Again could be wrong - but nothing backs up your point) - You don't back up your counterpoint.
Rerelease kills the secondary market, and despite popular belief, a strong secondary market brings new collectors to the product, turns it into a 'collectable' market and a collectable product. Will also help the product in the long term. - I collect figures for the right reason. I enjoy them. I want them. I dont even consider the secondary market. They are still collectible and people will always pay more for the original versions. Re-releases at better prices would suit me than paying crazy eBay prices. (This applies to some figures, not all)Finally, I am not against re-paints in the slightest. I actually said in my original post that I support them. If getting a repainted Akeem with a yellow hat instead of a blue hat means I get an Akeem figure at a reasonable price, I'd take it. Fair enough points all around. And glad we can agree to disagree. My only comeback, is yes - I am very happy that someone will/can pay $125 for a Randy Savage figure on eBay. if they have the money, and it a seller can find a buyer that is willing where is the harm? Plenty of options around for a Randy Savage for those that can't/won't pay $125 for that Savage. And just on your point, 'Re-releases at better prices would suit me than paying crazy eBay prices' - it suits you as a consumer. Sure I would like the Flashback Kane & Edge that I missed out on (stupid Jakks hang over). But at the moment I don't value them as the market does. And I'm okay with that. My personal preference is the market stays there, not that I get them cheaper because I missed out the first time. I'll be happy with HOF edge, and happy with WM Kane (For the moment). Hence my ongoing support and wish for further repaints instead of flat rerelease. I do think we just have different opinions on this, but I do appreciate a good conversation.
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Post by rustyjohnson on Aug 27, 2016 2:10:43 GMT -5
SCOTT HALL!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 2:26:16 GMT -5
Please STOP!!!!! Rereleases suck. If you missed out on a figure, too bad. Anti up the cash on evil bay. I hope we never see another reissue again. A mountain of repaints we could have before rerelease, not to mention, you know NEW FIGURES! 100% this. No rereleases
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 6:02:22 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of re releases but saying that it definitely sucks that people want so much for older figures
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Post by FWE on Aug 27, 2016 6:40:21 GMT -5
I hope Mattel would stop E12 Kane's reign of terror on Evil Bay.
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Post by Mr Ezekiel Jackson If Ya Nasty on Aug 27, 2016 6:44:52 GMT -5
I don't know why people keeping believing that re-releases are going to or is preventing new figures coming out. Right now WWE and Mattel have exclusive lineups with Walmart, Target, Toys R Us, Amazon, Walgreens, and sadly Kmart on top of the regular basic and elite lines. We are getting new figures at a blazing pace. Putting another Red Kane elite in the rotation is not going to kill the chances of an elite Bobby Roode. Not with so many places getting fresh figures.
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Post by fzmadness on Aug 27, 2016 6:48:27 GMT -5
Nash, Mankind (Amazon) and Cactus Jack for me. I have everyone else.
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Post by PVA on Aug 27, 2016 6:52:16 GMT -5
Not a big fan of straight re releases. But Mattel is a company that has to make money & if they see a figure on the secondary market selling for high $$ that would be a poor business decision if them NOT to re release it. Sorry guys, Mattel doesn't & shouldnt care about the 'collectible value"' .
That said....instead of a re release can they tweak shade of paint or something to improve or have a slight difference.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Aug 27, 2016 9:57:34 GMT -5
I definitely see your point. I am completely OK with repaints of older figures I missed (SS Heritage Jim Duggan is a great example) But re-releases: a) prevent paying extortionate prices on eBay b) fill holes in collections c) help out newer collectors d) profit of sales can go towards budgets for new figures I know Bill said its a one off, but the odd wave of Elite 'Lost Legends' is a nice idea I think. I respectfully disagree. Rerelease kills the secondary market, and despite popular belief, a strong secondary market brings new collectors to the product, turns it into a 'collectable' market and a collectable product. Will also help the product in the long term. No, I do not collect for value, which is why I have no problem with repaints. Rereleases are little more then a short sighted money grab by Mattel, and I get it, they are business etc, but at what cost. We have already seen collectors bow out because if Mattel increases rereleases what is the point? Nothing wrong with wanting an overall collection to hold some collectable value. This is easily sustained by Mattel, via repaints (see hasbro values) Your point about the sales profit going to the budget of figures? Best I can tell Mattel WWE has never been more popular (I could be wrong) yet I would contest the overall quality of figures has dropped. The fact we get the level of figures we do currently is likely due to the clever thinking of MDT. (Again could be wrong - but nothing backs up your point) eBay is not a bad place. Your call them 'extortionate' prices, I call it fair market value. Why, because something is worth what someone will pay. Just because a new collector doesn't value a figure at $100, doesn't mean the market doesn't. And patience is the key with eBay. nothing, and I mean nothing is ever a one off. Don't like someone's Buy it now price, be patience and what for a auction to set the market fairly. It really isn't that hard. And I'm sorry, to fill holes in your collection? Same can be achieved by repaints. If u want a certain style of Ultimate Warrior and its 4x times the price as the new one just released (thinking legends vs e26), then anti up the cash and by it. It shouldn't be rereleased because Mattel ed up the legends line to start with and no one supported it. As far as I'm concerned, and this is taking it a bit to far I'll be honest, but it is a sign of disrespect to the long time collectors of Mattel. Where's the loyalty. And finally the argument to end it all. WOULDN'T U RATHER NEW FIGURES? id rather a rerelease of Hillbilly or Kane or Bundy than a 27th ultimate warrior! if the new figs we are getting are more Warriors, Savages or Bret Hart than Id rather some legends from the beginning. as you said Mattel f'd up the original line. but theere were some good figs. MANY people werent even close to collecting until WAAAAY Later. we just went thru a 2nd recession. money is tight for alot folk. to say just pony up the cash is quite unfair to many poor people. the only ones who would or should really care, are those that are trying to get top $$$ for those figs today. (so in other words, I want my savage to go for $125 so I dont want a rerelease of it). so for a middle ground, as I said, best option would be guys like Hillbilly & Akeem & Bundy who didnt wear different outfits for rereleases. then you get a chance to have that fig in your collection still (like the poor dude who's Bundy fell out of the package during transit from ebay). guys like SGT, Savage, Rude, etc can be tweaked on outfits and such. then that specific outfit frrom original line will be the collctable ones.
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Post by jaroto on Aug 27, 2016 10:10:09 GMT -5
I am against re-releases, but if I had to choose...Eddie, Kane, Papa Shango and Mankind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 10:22:11 GMT -5
Every thread on this topic:
Guy A: "No re-releases because my figures won't be worth as much." Guy B: "Yeah but think of the peeps who missed out on them." Guy A: "Buy them off eBay like I did for $5 bajillion." Guy B: "Dewd I got 8 kids to feed and I need Akeem."
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 27, 2016 10:30:43 GMT -5
Nothing here I would buy or don't have.
I really want a WM17 Edge. So if repainting the E13 figure is the only way I'm going to get it then so be it. E20 Christian is SO lonely.
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Post by popyduggan on Aug 27, 2016 10:37:36 GMT -5
Definitely want a Honky rerelease with the belt on the jumpsuit this time around.
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Post by Iron Bison on Aug 27, 2016 10:44:01 GMT -5
Every thread on this topic: Guy A: "No re-releases because my figures won't be worth as much." Guy B: "Yeah but think of the peeps who missed out on them." Guy A: "Buy them off eBay like I did for $5 bajillion." Guy B: "Dewd I got 8 kids to feed and I need Akeem." To be fair, the topic was which figures would we like to see re-released IF Mattel were to issue another set of re-releases. NOT what do you think of re-releases.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 10:47:13 GMT -5
Every thread on this topic: Guy A: "No re-releases because my figures won't be worth as much." Guy B: "Yeah but think of the peeps who missed out on them." Guy A: "Buy them off eBay like I did for $5 bajillion." Guy B: "Dewd I got 8 kids to feed and I need Akeem." To be fair, the topic was which figures would we like to see re-released IF Mattel were to issue another set of re-releases. NOT what do you think of re-releases. Yes, I know. I voted.
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