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Post by Ember's Flame on Sept 18, 2016 11:46:44 GMT -5
I think this thread is bologna and NXT will continue to be a-maz-ing
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 18, 2016 23:59:00 GMT -5
There are very little homegrown talents from NXT that are doing well. The only 2 I can think of are Rusev and Roman Reigns, and they weren't even a part of the new NXT system.
I think they are doing a fantastic job otherwise. Talents love the performance center and the coaching. I think everyone has a fair shake. The indie guys are more prominent on NXT because of the name value they bring to the brand. The more money they generate, the more talent they can sign. NXT can't continue without household names around the world. I think in about a year were going to see more homegrown talent be showcased in a better light in NXT.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 12:42:12 GMT -5
Anybody who says NXT will die out or 'crumble under its own success' or tries comparing it to ECW or TNA is trying far too hard to sound like an informed cinic. It's embarrassing.
Also, if you truly feel that way, you clearly don't have a lot of faith in Global Independent Wrestling going forward. Because that's where the talent gets plucked from these days, calling it 'developmental' is correct as far as developing already talented wrestlers into 'Superstars' who perform the WWE way. It's still a huge success, regardless of it constantly losing names to the main roster.
I hate the idea that there's this unspoken standard that has to be adhered to, so that once something that was once white-hot like NXT was last year slows the pace down a notch, it's days are supposingly numbered. You have total idiots calling for it to end or trying to predict it's downfall, why?.. NXT was comfortably operating to an audience and had a solid following long before 90% of fanboys suddenly took notice of Balor, Owens, Joe, Nakamura.
Stop watching wrestling altogether if you're of the understanding that any platform of wrestling needs to 'die out'. Especially one which develops future stars while showcasing some of the world's best outside of WWEs Main roster. It doesn't make you sound clever, to see somebody doubting NXTs relevance or existance in 2016 following the recent call ups increases the likelihood that your mother is probably your sister as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 20, 2016 13:44:01 GMT -5
NXT is going to continue to do what it's doing now for years to come. Behind Zayn, Owens and Balor, were Joe, Aries, Roode, and Nakamura. Behind those guys is a long list of guys who are out there like Adam Cole, Jay Lethal, the Briscoes, Okada, Mike Bennett, EC3 and Drew Galloway could come back at any point, E... Li... Drake, Kenny Omega, Ricochet is apparently signing, Dalton Castle, Naito, Fish and O'Reilly, the Bucks, the Wolves, and maybe even Bad Influence if it happens soon.
The wrestling world is largely flat now. Independent wrestling is doing really well and fans largely know about guys around the world and what they're doing. Guys will come up through smaller promotions, make a name and then move to NXT. This is an endless cycle that can repeat itself as long as people will still pay to see wrestling and as long as kids grow up wanting to main event WrestleMania.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Sept 20, 2016 14:01:17 GMT -5
I just think when NXT took off, there was such a huge stockpile of indy talent. That it made NXT a indy fans wet dream. The well will start to dry out, so we won't see as many guys in NXT at 1 time, but it will continue to succeed because there will always be new talent. To the level it is now? I don't think that is realistic, but it will continue.
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Post by J12 on Sept 20, 2016 14:37:05 GMT -5
I don't think NXT is going anywhere, nor should it, but I do think they're at a bit of a crossroads with how it should be promoted/utilized going forward.
Right now, the Raw and Smackdown rosters are both relatively weak, despite having a deep talent pool. This is because WWE has spent the better part of the last decade telling its audience that no one other than John Cena (and now Roman Reigns) matters and no one is bigger than the brand. The mid-card is essentially plug-and-play acts on a never ending rotation with no upward mobility. The result is a deep roster with no stars.
And there are stars waiting in NXT that are ready to go, right now. I don't mean superstars who are going to propel the business to new heights, but at the very least, stars who have not been defined down by the WWE system as something lesser.
The injection of the likes of Shinsuke Nakamura, Samoa Joe, Bobby Roode, Austin Aries, and Hideo Itami would provide an immediate boost to the main roster in terms of quality and potential angles. The problem is, WWE's booking strategy and philosophy hasn't changed post-draft. They're still demeaning guys for the sake of Roman Reigns, and they're still wading in a pool of 50/50 mid-card soup. So, it's reasonable to suspect that if any or all of these guys get called up, the same thing will happen to them.
So, it becomes a gamble. Do you call up the talent that you have, ready to go, right now to provide a theoretical boost to the main product? After all, that's what's drawing money. Or, do you protect the talent you still have down there in the hopes that the culture of the main roster changes sooner rather than later? Furthermore, is it worth sacrificing potential money-making main roster feuds in order to protect and bolster the legacy of the developmental brand? I don't have the answer, and clearly, WWE doesn't either.
Then there's the interesting dichotomy between Triple H and Vince McMahon, and a lot of it goes back to the previous point. Is Hunter cognizant of how poorly talent is handled on the main roster? And, if he is, is he actively trying to hold back his guys in NXT in the hopes that things will improve and/or his team will be given more creative power? Again, it's not something we have the answers to.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Sept 20, 2016 15:32:10 GMT -5
They're a touring brand and sell out just about every show they do. Especially the ones outside of Florida.
... NXT isn't going anywhere.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Sept 20, 2016 15:36:57 GMT -5
I didn't realize NXT talent was being mishandled on the main roster...
Kevin Owens, Seth Rollins, New Day, Charlotte, Bayley, Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch, Alexa Bliss.
I'd say NXT talent is in the forefront of the main roster and this new movement with talent.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Sept 20, 2016 21:20:29 GMT -5
NXT has been a pretty awful developmental system since it took off as the SUPERINDIE thing. Fine for giving guys a few months polish like Kevin Owens, but other than that, it's done little in terms of stars or development. Finn Balor spent almost two years in NXT and hasn't improved much at all. Tyler Breeze is good, but they didn't transition him well to the main roster at all. It seemed like he was called up at a bad time just to shoehorn the scene into Breaking Ground. Baron Corbin is one of their top prospects but was underdeveloped in NXT because the big shows there are all about the darlings. He was called up before he was ready, but would he ever have been ready given how NXT works? Similar story with Apollo Crews, although for him it's more finding his persona and that could/should happen if he'd spent longer in NXT. The tag teams and the women have thrived under the NXT system, but as far as top singles wrestlers, they definitely haven't found a working formula. The title scene is often built around guys who are about the same age as John Cena and Randy Orton. John Cena and Randy Orton were in developmental fifteen years ago. As NXT has gotten bigger as a brand, in a way it's regressed as a developmental. Although the older system didn't work too well at creating main eventers either -- being top guys in NXT didn't mean much for Neville, Bo and Big E on the main shows. you lost me when you said NXT is all about the "indy darlings" and then use Apollo Crews as your "left behind" example. Uhaa Nations was a top draw on the indies before signing with WWE. He sold tickets. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 21, 2016 1:52:44 GMT -5
NXT has been a pretty awful developmental system since it took off as the SUPERINDIE thing. Fine for giving guys a few months polish like Kevin Owens, but other than that, it's done little in terms of stars or development. Finn Balor spent almost two years in NXT and hasn't improved much at all. Tyler Breeze is good, but they didn't transition him well to the main roster at all. It seemed like he was called up at a bad time just to shoehorn the scene into Breaking Ground. Baron Corbin is one of their top prospects but was underdeveloped in NXT because the big shows there are all about the darlings. He was called up before he was ready, but would he ever have been ready given how NXT works? Similar story with Apollo Crews, although for him it's more finding his persona and that could/should happen if he'd spent longer in NXT. The tag teams and the women have thrived under the NXT system, but as far as top singles wrestlers, they definitely haven't found a working formula. The title scene is often built around guys who are about the same age as John Cena and Randy Orton. John Cena and Randy Orton were in developmental fifteen years ago. As NXT has gotten bigger as a brand, in a way it's regressed as a developmental. Although the older system didn't work too well at creating main eventers either -- being top guys in NXT didn't mean much for Neville, Bo and Big E on the main shows. you lost me when you said NXT is all about the "indy darlings" and then use Apollo Crews as your "left behind" example. Uhaa Nations was a top draw on the indies before signing with WWE. He sold tickets. Internet darlings don't all come from the indies. Uhaa Nation (no S at the end) was not particularly a top name on the independent scene. Bit of buzz in DG, not a great deal else. Are you really suggesting he had the darling-value of Balor, Joe, Nakamura etc? Because he certainly didn't. At best, he was at the same kind of level that pre-WWE Neville was at. And even that's a stretch. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 5:19:57 GMT -5
you lost me when you said NXT is all about the "indy darlings" and then use Apollo Crews as your "left behind" example. Uhaa Nations was a top draw on the indies before signing with WWE. He sold tickets. Internet darlings don't all come from the indies. Uhaa Nation (no S at the end) was not particularly a top name on the independent scene. Bit of buzz in DG, not a great deal else. Are you really suggesting he had the darling-value of Balor, Joe, Nakamura etc? Because he certainly didn't. At best, he was at the same kind of level that pre-WWE Neville was at. And even that's a stretch. Apollo had massive hype prior to his NXT debut, his appearance in the crowd at Full Sail last year was recieved by a massive excitable pop. He was huge on the indys before WWE. What the hell is 'darling value', anyway? He had just as much of it as anybody else coming into NXT. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 21, 2016 6:23:26 GMT -5
Apollo had massive hype prior to his NXT debut, his appearance in the crowd at Full Sail last year was recieved by a massive excitable pop. He was huge on the indys before WWE. What the hell is 'darling value', anyway? He had just as much of it as anybody else coming into NXT. You really think Uhaa was as big as Joe, Nakamura, Aries etc? Really? |
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Sept 21, 2016 13:01:25 GMT -5
Apollo had massive hype prior to his NXT debut, his appearance in the crowd at Full Sail last year was recieved by a massive excitable pop. He was huge on the indys before WWE. What the hell is 'darling value', anyway? He had just as much of it as anybody else coming into NXT. You really think Uhaa was as big as Joe, Nakamura, Aries etc? Really? |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 21, 2016 14:28:19 GMT -5
You really think Uhaa was as big as Joe, Nakamura, Aries etc? Really?How so? Are there Apollo Crews fans that think he's as big a name as Shinsuke Nakamura and get offended by someone disagreeing? |
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