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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 17, 2016 10:49:51 GMT -5
There is no doubt that since the Shield split Ambrose was the one who was the most over and got thunderous ovations from the crowd. However I have noticed that since his world title win the cheers he receives has got quieter and looking back at Backlash people were booing him which I do understand since Aj is so popular.
Now what I didn't understand is on Smackdown when he did the dirty deeds on Cena everyone booed which was strange. Cena is suppose to be the guy adults hate so why did fans side with him and boo Ambrose?
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Post by BØRNS on Sept 17, 2016 11:17:59 GMT -5
I think it's because Cena is a much bigger and established star than Ambrose, and that Ambrose hasn't done much since winning the title. I also think people love the idea of Ambrose but the execution is so poor that everyone now realizes he is way overrated. I think it was dumb for them wanted Ambrose to say Cena is a lazy part timer and can't get it done in the ring. Will that be Ambrose's gimmick now - openly hating on part timers? Sounds kind of like Orton's Legend Killer days. Could Ambrose get matches with Undertaker and The Rock? It seemed like they're just trying to get heat on Ambrose in any way possible even if it makes him sound stupid.
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 17, 2016 11:20:08 GMT -5
The whole thing makes no sense to me. How is Cena going to come out and make demands for a championship match, even though he lost clean to styles at Summerslam. Then call Ambrose a chump with no balls when he's the one who got cheated out of the title? Then on top of that the fans side with Cena when he's the one acting like a dickhead.
Some fans are the most fickle. The night after Ambrose won the title he got flooded with "you deserve it" chants, then 3 months later fans are talking about how he shouldn't have the title. If they in fact are turning on Ambrose, it's one of the most undeserving fan reactions I have ever seen towards a wwe superstar. Ambrose has been one of the most consistent and most over babyfaces for the last 2 years.
But hey, the only positive that can come out of this is a good heel run from Ambrose.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 17, 2016 11:21:44 GMT -5
I really don't think people hate John Cena anymore either. I think it just comes off cool to hate John Cena. Sure, fans sing, "John Cena suuuuuuckkksss" to his theme song, but the fans also chanted "You suck! You suck!" to Kurt Angle during his theme song.
And calling Cena a 'lazy part timer' is so far from the truth, and every wrestling fan knows that. John Cena constantly busts his ass, to the point where you even have to question if Cena is human or not?! He comes off like a robot with how he goes, goes, goes!!
And Dean Ambrose is very stale. They booked him badly for the past year. Hell, he really hasn't been booked right since The Shield split. The only time they did anything fun with him, and had him come off as a 'lunatic' was when he stole Seth's WWE Title from him last year. That lasted for a few weeks and then back to the same old crap!
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Post by Rob on Sept 17, 2016 11:23:46 GMT -5
That whole segment was really off and i still cant figure out exactly what they were trying to do. If the Austin podcast didnt hurt Ambrose, That segment hurt him and got him an ambulance ride.
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 17, 2016 11:24:29 GMT -5
I think it's because Cena is a much bigger and established star than Ambrose, and that Ambrose hasn't done much since winning the title. I also think people love the idea of Ambrose but the execution is so poor that everyone now realizes he is way overrated. I think it was dumb for them wanted Ambrose to say Cena is a lazy part timer and can't get it done in the ring. Will that be Ambrose's gimmick now - openly hating on part timers? Sounds kind of like Orton's Legend Killer days. Could Ambrose get matches with Undertaker and The Rock? It seemed like they're just trying to get heat on Ambrose in any way possible even if it makes him sound stupid. Well Ambrose does have a point, where has Cena been mostly in the past calendar year? Off the road. And Ambrose has only had the title for less than 3 months? His only solo feud was with a glorified midcarder in Ziggler. He was booked terribly right when he got moved to Smackdown. if anything, Cena comes out looking more like a douche from this.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 17, 2016 11:32:31 GMT -5
I think it's because Cena is a much bigger and established star than Ambrose, and that Ambrose hasn't done much since winning the title. I also think people love the idea of Ambrose but the execution is so poor that everyone now realizes he is way overrated. I think it was dumb for them wanted Ambrose to say Cena is a lazy part timer and can't get it done in the ring. Will that be Ambrose's gimmick now - openly hating on part timers? Sounds kind of like Orton's Legend Killer days. Could Ambrose get matches with Undertaker and The Rock? It seemed like they're just trying to get heat on Ambrose in any way possible even if it makes him sound stupid. What about what Cena said to Ambrose? It was out of character and hypocritical especially with the Austin podcast stuff. Also the whole thing made Cena look like a heel because Ambrose is entitled to a rematch but Cena who hasnt even had the title for 2 years storms to the ring and demands a title match. This would be a great way to finally turn Cena heel. He's been a glorified loser for the last year so this could be how he finally snaps
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 17, 2016 11:37:46 GMT -5
The whole thing makes no sense to me. How is Cena going to come out and make demands for a championship match, even though he lost clean to styles at Summerslam. Then call Ambrose a chump with no balls when he's the one who got cheated out of the title? Then on top of that the fans side with Cena when he's the one acting like a dickhead. Some fans are the most fickle. The night after Ambrose won the title he got flooded with "you deserve it" chants, then 3 months later fans are talking about how he shouldn't have the title. If they in fact are turning on Ambrose, it's one of the most undeserving fan reactions I have ever seen towards a wwe superstar. Ambrose has been one of the most consistent and most over babyfaces for the last 2 years. But hey, the only positive that can come out of this is a good heel run from Ambrose. It seems to me that today's wrestlers walk a tightrope when it comes to fans. The likes of Austin and Rock had the crowd eating out of their hands but these young wrestlers can be turned on within a day. When the Shield first debut I thought Ambrose was overrated due everyone raving about him and after the Shield he becomes the biggest baby face in the company but now he gets booed??? Sorry but I just dont get it.
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 17, 2016 11:38:11 GMT -5
I think it's because Cena is a much bigger and established star than Ambrose, and that Ambrose hasn't done much since winning the title. I also think people love the idea of Ambrose but the execution is so poor that everyone now realizes he is way overrated. I think it was dumb for them wanted Ambrose to say Cena is a lazy part timer and can't get it done in the ring. Will that be Ambrose's gimmick now - openly hating on part timers? Sounds kind of like Orton's Legend Killer days. Could Ambrose get matches with Undertaker and The Rock? It seemed like they're just trying to get heat on Ambrose in any way possible even if it makes him sound stupid. What about what Cena said to Ambrose? It was out of character and hypocritical especially with the Austin podcast stuff. Also the whole thing made Cena look like a heel because Ambrose is entitled to a rematch but Cena who hasnt even had the title for 2 years storms to the ring and demands a title match. This would be a great way to finally turn Cena heel. He's been a glorified loser for the last year so this could be how he finally snaps Yeah, Cena seemed undeserving the entire time. The way he grabbed Ambrose by the arm and told him he had no balls? Like how? Because he was robbed of the title? Cena lost his last match to Styles, clean might I add, and walsts in 4 weeks after his loss and thinks he's entitled to a title match over the guy who just got robbed? Cena came off like a suuuuuuuper prick.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 17, 2016 11:39:59 GMT -5
That whole segment was really off and i still cant figure out exactly what they were trying to do. If the Austin podcast didnt hurt Ambrose, That segment hurt him and got him an ambulance ride. What about the heel attitude Cena had with Ambrose? Also despite the lazy comment Ambrose did have a point. Where exactly has Cena been this past year?
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 17, 2016 11:44:54 GMT -5
What about what Cena said to Ambrose? It was out of character and hypocritical especially with the Austin podcast stuff. Also the whole thing made Cena look like a heel because Ambrose is entitled to a rematch but Cena who hasnt even had the title for 2 years storms to the ring and demands a title match. This would be a great way to finally turn Cena heel. He's been a glorified loser for the last year so this could be how he finally snaps Yeah, Cena seemed like an endeserving the entire time. The way he grabbed Ambrose by the arm and told him he had no balls? Like how? Because he was robbed of the title? Cena lost his last match to Styles, clean might I add, and walsts in 4 weeks after his loss and thinks he's entitled to a title match over the guy who just got robbed? Cena came off like a suuuuuuuper prick. If it's a way to turn Cena heel then go for it but if not then It was seriously bad writing. Its like something a heel HHH would've said not the number 1 face in the company. If its WWE's way of burying Ambrose then I'm afraid they're flushing money down the drain.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 11:50:49 GMT -5
For me, personally, I couldn't get behind him as champion because he has always screamed "mid-carder" to me. Then the way he came across on the Stone Cold podcast just really soured me on him altogether.
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 17, 2016 12:10:55 GMT -5
Yeah, Cena seemed like an endeserving the entire time. The way he grabbed Ambrose by the arm and told him he had no balls? Like how? Because he was robbed of the title? Cena lost his last match to Styles, clean might I add, and walsts in 4 weeks after his loss and thinks he's entitled to a title match over the guy who just got robbed? Cena came off like a suuuuuuuper prick. If it's a way to turn Cena heel then go for it but if not then It was seriously bad writing. Its like something a heel HHH would've said not the number 1 face in the company. If its WWE's way of burying Ambrose then I'm afraid they're flushing money down the drain. Them burying Ambrose seems like more realistic. They're not turning Cena heel, even though they can if they really wanted to at this moment.
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 17, 2016 12:13:18 GMT -5
For me, personally, I couldn't get behind him as champion because he has always screamed "mid-carder" to me. Then the way he came across on the Stone Cold podcast just really soured me on him altogether. Ambrose did nothing wrong that whole podcast. He was on the defense the whole time because Austin wanted to squeeze Ambrose to get some personal skeletons from his past to reveal, and he kept asking. Ambrose obviously wasn't comfortable with that and it ruined the vibe for the podcast.
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Post by DeadlyGame on Sept 17, 2016 12:14:23 GMT -5
I just wish they gave Ambrose more promo time when he was champ.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 17, 2016 12:41:09 GMT -5
Honestly, I think Austin is to blame. He verbally buried Ambrose on the podcast. Some fans started watching wrestling due to Austin and they hold his opinion as the almighty truth. I could be wrong but it seems like from that moment on, the crowd wasn't as behind Ambrose as they used to be.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 12:41:36 GMT -5
For me, personally, I couldn't get behind him as champion because he has always screamed "mid-carder" to me. Then the way he came across on the Stone Cold podcast just really soured me on him altogether. Ambrose did nothing wrong that whole podcast. He was on the defense the whole time because Austin wanted to squeeze Ambrose to get some personal skeletons from his past to reveal, and he kept asking. Ambrose obviously wasn't comfortable with that and it ruined the vibe for the podcast. Everybody knows the type of questions that Austin asks - if Ambrose wasn't comfortable with it, he shouldn't have gone on there. It did him no favours at all. EDIT: Just want to add in here that I don't hold anything Austin says as gospel. I think he's a c**t to be honest.
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Sept 17, 2016 13:04:23 GMT -5
he sucks, hes a crap wrestler...been saying this forever
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 17, 2016 13:05:50 GMT -5
Ambrose did nothing wrong that whole podcast. He was on the defense the whole time because Austin wanted to squeeze Ambrose to get some personal skeletons from his past to reveal, and he kept asking. Ambrose obviously wasn't comfortable with that and it ruined the vibe for the podcast. Everybody knows the type of questions that Austin asks - if Ambrose wasn't comfortable with it, he shouldn't have gone on there. It did him no favours at all. EDIT: Just want to add in here that I don't hold anything Austin says as gospel. I think he's a c**t to be honest. Ambrose pretty much gave Austin a clear hint that he didn't want to talk about it, and Austin was persistent on asking, which is a crap-bag move if you ask me and a lot of other people. They should be there to talk about Ambrose's wwe run, and stuff about this business, not to put his personal demons out in the public for the world to know. Not professional.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Sept 17, 2016 13:06:28 GMT -5
Personally for me I haven't turned on him.
However Creative has and it's really hurt him on TV. He's just not as entertaining as he was pre-title.
I still love him but right now I think a heel turn is what he needs to break through to that next level. And it seems like that's exactly where we're heading......unless they do the impossible and turn Cena.
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