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Post by BSR on Sept 17, 2016 16:11:57 GMT -5
Personally for me I haven't turned on him. However Creative has and it's really hurt him on TV. He's just not as entertaining as he was pre-title. I still love him but right now I think a heel turn is what he needs to break through to that next level. And it seems like that's exactly where we're heading......unless they do the impossible and turn Cena. It's no secret that I have always hated hardcore wrestling. With that said Dean Ambrose/Jon Moxley is an outstanding talent. I really don't understand why it took them so long to capitalize on him winning the big one. Especially if all they were going to do is drop the ball with his character.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Sept 17, 2016 16:18:21 GMT -5
Lol, I think this may just be a one off ppv for cena until he returns full time probably in December. I know you like Cena, but I don't. I'm really hoping this is one of those cement so and so as a main eventer type of putting over deals. Either Ambrose or AJ but preferably AJ. Cena doesn't need the number 16 at a random mid fall show. Lol after reading through the SD thread I can tell you aren't a cena fan. I like the triple threat idea, but I agree with Cena not needing to win at no mercy. I can wait for John to win at the royal rumble. ( I say this because I want cena vs taker at wm 33 and the idea that it may not happen is driving me crazy.)
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 17, 2016 16:26:27 GMT -5
Then the way he came across on the Stone Cold podcast just really soured me on him altogether. I agree on the podcast, I feel like it did more to hurt his career than help him. I felt like he came across like he didn't want to be there, kind of entitled, which ironically is kind of how I feel his character has gone since becoming champion. It just seems to me like since the split happened that he's had an enormous ego about him, you can sense it in his promos. As far as the fans turning on him, I just feel like Cena had made the better point on Ambrose than Ambrose did on Cena. And you could sense by the crowd after Ambrose made his point, that they were kind of just like "eh, I see your point but he's got way more on you than you do on him." I agree that Ambrose (while still putting on decent matches) has become kind of complacent. He hasn't been that edgy character to me for a while now. Sure Cena will take time off, but he's been there for almost 15 years now, does he not deserve it? And in that sense, he's really only taken time off for injuries and one TV show so far. I don't feel like Ambrose has been around long enough for him to call out Cena for some half-assed comment like that. Im hoping this leads to an Ambrose heel turn, because let's be real it won't be Cena that turns heel. I feel like a proper heel turn is so necessary for an individual to be your top guy. Short of Mysterio, I can't think of anyone else who was World Champion who wasn't heel beforehand. Guys like Rock, Cena, Austin, and HBK all were kind of flopping around in their early days before a solid heel run led them to become the biggest guys in the company. I think right now thats what Ambrose needs.
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Post by BSR on Sept 17, 2016 16:42:56 GMT -5
I know you like Cena, but I don't. I'm really hoping this is one of those cement so and so as a main eventer type of putting over deals. Either Ambrose or AJ but preferably AJ. Cena doesn't need the number 16 at a random mid fall show. Lol after reading through the SD thread I can tell you aren't a cena fan. I like the triple threat idea, but I agree with Cena not needing to win at no mercy. I can wait for John to win at the royal rumble. ( I say this because I want cena vs taker at wm 33 and the idea that it may not happen is driving me crazy.) I stopped watching wwe programming in 05 because of triple h and Cena. They bored me to tears then, and still do now. I get why the company is so high on Cena winning number 16. If they're going to do it it needs to be at mania. That's the only way to make the moment bigger.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Sept 17, 2016 16:54:16 GMT -5
Lol after reading through the SD thread I can tell you aren't a cena fan. I like the triple threat idea, but I agree with Cena not needing to win at no mercy. I can wait for John to win at the royal rumble. ( I say this because I want cena vs taker at wm 33 and the idea that it may not happen is driving me crazy.) I stopped watching wwe programming in 05 because of triple h and Cena. They bored me to tears then, and still do now. I get why the company is so high on Cena winning number 16. If they're going to do it it needs to be at mania. That's the only way to make the moment bigger. I haven't felt that way about cena, but I have watched wwe 2001 to 2006 on the network so far and Hhh was the world champion for soooooooooooo long. Then he would lose it and it would be a good feel, but he one it back a few weeks later. I can see your point with Cena because he dominated 2005-2008, but I was am a huge fan and I didn't mind. Cena vs Taker has to main event wm 33 for me. This should be the way taker goes out.....one on one against the "kid" he respected from the day Cena began wwe.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 17, 2016 17:01:58 GMT -5
Then the way he came across on the Stone Cold podcast just really soured me on him altogether. I agree on the podcast, I feel like it did more to hurt his career than help him. I felt like he came across like he didn't want to be there, kind of entitled, which ironically is kind of how I feel his character has gone since becoming champion. It just seems to me like since the split happened that he's had an enormous ego about him, you can sense it in his promos. As far as the fans turning on him, I just feel like Cena had made the better point on Ambrose than Ambrose did on Cena. And you could sense by the crowd after Ambrose made his point, that they were kind of just like "eh, I see your point but he's got way more on you than you do on him." I agree that Ambrose (while still putting on decent matches) has become kind of complacent. He hasn't been that edgy character to me for a while now. Sure Cena will take time off, but he's been there for almost 15 years now, does he not deserve it? And in that sense, he's really only taken time off for injuries and one TV show so far. I don't feel like Ambrose has been around long enough for him to call out Cena for some half-assed comment like that. Im hoping this leads to an Ambrose heel turn, because let's be real it won't be Cena that turns heel. I feel like a proper heel turn is so necessary for an individual to be your top guy. Short of Mysterio, I can't think of anyone else who was World Champion who wasn't heel beforehand. Guys like Rock, Cena, Austin, and HBK all were kind of flopping around in their early days before a solid heel run led them to become the biggest guys in the company. I think right now thats what Ambrose needs. Well Austin was being an ignorant douch by asking Ambrose personal questions that had nothing to do with wrestling. If I didn't know better I would think that Austin was deliberately trying to make Ambrose look bad and lets to honest Austin is a smart man and he knows that if he says jump all his fans will do so. Fans have compared Ambrose to Austin and Austin probably resents that and made it his mission to destroy Ambrose once and for all. As for Cena the whole thing made no sense. Cena has been a glorified loser for 1 year and he comes out expecting a rematch over Ambrose who's first in line. Then Cena tears Ambrose apart for no pacific reason which made him look like a giant hypocrite.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2016 17:19:24 GMT -5
I haven't turned on him but he doesn't entertain me near as much as he used to.
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Post by BSR on Sept 17, 2016 17:19:30 GMT -5
I stopped watching wwe programming in 05 because of triple h and Cena. They bored me to tears then, and still do now. I get why the company is so high on Cena winning number 16. If they're going to do it it needs to be at mania. That's the only way to make the moment bigger. I haven't felt that way about cena, but I have watched wwe 2001 to 2006 on the network so far and Hhh was the world champion for soooooooooooo long. Then he would lose it and it would be a good feel, but he one it back a few weeks later. I can see your point with Cena because he dominated 2005-2008, but I was am a huge fan and I didn't mind. Cena vs Taker has to main event wm 33 for me. This should be the way taker goes out.....one on one against the "kid" he respected from the day Cena began wwe. Ah. The reign of terror. To this day I can't tell you why I continued to watch that. That is by far the worst title reign I have ever seen, and I've been watching since the 80s.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Sept 17, 2016 17:23:04 GMT -5
I haven't felt that way about cena, but I have watched wwe 2001 to 2006 on the network so far and Hhh was the world champion for soooooooooooo long. Then he would lose it and it would be a good feel, but he one it back a few weeks later. I can see your point with Cena because he dominated 2005-2008, but I was am a huge fan and I didn't mind. Cena vs Taker has to main event wm 33 for me. This should be the way taker goes out.....one on one against the "kid" he respected from the day Cena began wwe. Ah. The reign of terror. To this day I can't tell you why I continued to watch that. That is by far the worst title reign I have ever seen, and I've been watching since the 80s. Goldberg won the belt (he should've won at summer slam smh) then he proceeded to basically do nothing with it and then hhh won it back. I also think back to when HHH was drafted to SD then traded back for the Dudleyz and Booker T. Like did Hhh have creative control or did he refuse to look bad?
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Post by SodaGuy on Sept 17, 2016 17:26:25 GMT -5
Well.. hitting a dude with your finisher unprovoked is a dick move so I kinda get why they booed him lol. How many times did Austin stunner random guys? I'm just saying I understand why some people would boo someone for attacking the biggest baby face for the last forever.
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Post by BSR on Sept 17, 2016 17:32:47 GMT -5
Ah. The reign of terror. To this day I can't tell you why I continued to watch that. That is by far the worst title reign I have ever seen, and I've been watching since the 80s. Goldberg won the belt (he should've won at summer slam smh) then he proceeded to basically do nothing with it and then hhh won it back. I also think back to when HHH was drafted to SD then traded back for the Dudleyz and Booker T. Like did Hhh have creative control or did he refuse to look bad? Triple H was the single biggest prima donna at that point. He literally told thq not to use him in ways that could make his character look bad in commercials.
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 17, 2016 17:35:36 GMT -5
I agree on the podcast, I feel like it did more to hurt his career than help him. I felt like he came across like he didn't want to be there, kind of entitled, which ironically is kind of how I feel his character has gone since becoming champion. It just seems to me like since the split happened that he's had an enormous ego about him, you can sense it in his promos. As far as the fans turning on him, I just feel like Cena had made the better point on Ambrose than Ambrose did on Cena. And you could sense by the crowd after Ambrose made his point, that they were kind of just like "eh, I see your point but he's got way more on you than you do on him." I agree that Ambrose (while still putting on decent matches) has become kind of complacent. He hasn't been that edgy character to me for a while now. Sure Cena will take time off, but he's been there for almost 15 years now, does he not deserve it? And in that sense, he's really only taken time off for injuries and one TV show so far. I don't feel like Ambrose has been around long enough for him to call out Cena for some half-assed comment like that. Im hoping this leads to an Ambrose heel turn, because let's be real it won't be Cena that turns heel. I feel like a proper heel turn is so necessary for an individual to be your top guy. Short of Mysterio, I can't think of anyone else who was World Champion who wasn't heel beforehand. Guys like Rock, Cena, Austin, and HBK all were kind of flopping around in their early days before a solid heel run led them to become the biggest guys in the company. I think right now thats what Ambrose needs. Well Austin was being an ignorant douch by asking Ambrose personal questions that had nothing to do with wrestling. If I didn't know better I would think that Austin was deliberately trying to make Ambrose look bad and lets to honest Austin is a smart man and he knows that if he says jump all his fans will do so. Fans have compared Ambrose to Austin and Austin probably resents that and made it his mission to destroy Ambrose once and for all. As for Cena the whole thing made no sense. Cena has been a glorified loser for 1 year and he comes out expecting a rematch over Ambrose who's first in line. Then Cena tears Ambrose apart for no pacific reason which made him look like a giant hypocrite. As much as I'm bored to tears with the part of Austins podcast where he asks people about their life before wrestling, we all know its part of his show. Ambrose should have as well, and if it would have been that much of a problem to talk about, then he should have said something to someone not to mention it, or just have him not do the podcast. As far as Cena, I'm not saying he deserves a title shot at the moment. But removing Kayfabe for a second, it makes sense for Smackdown to have them do the triple threat and drag out an Ambrose/Styles rematch until at least Survivor Series, instead of burning that feud out before it even gets going. Theres really no one at the moment for Styles to feud with after Ambrose other than Orton who has been consistently unable to compete. And Cena ripped into Ambrose for interrupting him, it happens all the time. Ambrose had all the right in the world to interrupt him, but is that supposed to mean that Cena just sits there and lets him do it? Aside from that I still laughed when Ambrose called out Cena for not beating Styles thus he couldn't beat Ambrose. He must have forgotten that he had just lost to Styles as well, if theres three guys in the ring and both of them have lost to the guy currently holding the belt, then the guy to beat in that scenario is not Dean Ambrose. So that comment made no sense either.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Sept 17, 2016 17:36:47 GMT -5
Goldberg won the belt (he should've won at summer slam smh) then he proceeded to basically do nothing with it and then hhh won it back. I also think back to when HHH was drafted to SD then traded back for the Dudleyz and Booker T. Like did Hhh have creative control or did he refuse to look bad? Triple H was the single biggest prima donna at that point. He literally told thq not to use him in ways that could make his character look bad in commercials. Lol didn't Bret hart complain about his rating too? It's a video game meaning people can create and do what they want lol
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 17, 2016 17:41:50 GMT -5
Goldberg won the belt (he should've won at summer slam smh) then he proceeded to basically do nothing with it and then hhh won it back. I also think back to when HHH was drafted to SD then traded back for the Dudleyz and Booker T. Like did Hhh have creative control or did he refuse to look bad? Triple H was the single biggest prima donna at that point. He literally told thq not to use him in ways that could make his character look bad in commercials. I always used to laugh back in 2010 when Triple H was getting a little out of shape, and his in game model still made him look like the Terminator.
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Post by BSR on Sept 17, 2016 17:45:00 GMT -5
Triple H was the single biggest prima donna at that point. He literally told thq not to use him in ways that could make his character look bad in commercials. Lol didn't Bret hart complain about his rating too? It's a video game meaning people can create and do what they want lol Lol yeah Bret complained also. Triple H was the single biggest prima donna at that point. He literally told thq not to use him in ways that could make his character look bad in commercials. I always used to laugh back in 2010 when Triple H was getting a little out of shape, and his in game model still made him look like the Terminator. Lol he didn't want it to look like he was losing matches in the commercials.
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Post by Darkhawk on Sept 17, 2016 18:13:23 GMT -5
Dean Ambrose can talk but his wrestling skills are pretty average. A DDT as a finisher? Come on now, everyone pretty much does it now.
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Post by The King Of Crisps on Sept 17, 2016 19:47:33 GMT -5
Trips still cant be shown in a bad light in any footage or pics used on gaming sites for WWE games
And I would probably turn back around on Ambrose if he would stop doing that dip on the ropes clothesline thing. And the announcers have always talked about how crazy he is but he never does anything "crazy"
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Sept 17, 2016 20:02:05 GMT -5
For me personally I never turned, Dean was always my least favorite from the shield. The thing with Dean is that I feel like he's in Bray position he talks up a storm and then loses which to me makes me lose credibility. He should of won a couple more of feuds. Everyone was happy when he finally won the title now they're slowing turning against him lol As far as Cena goes I thought it was dumb decision that he got put in a title match after losing clean, if it was Reigns people would go berserk.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Sept 17, 2016 20:03:53 GMT -5
He's being marketed as a face with a gimmick meant for a heel/tweener. A lot of the stuff they give him to work with is trash also. He needs more freedom on the mic
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Post by xtremebadass on Sept 17, 2016 21:12:51 GMT -5
Some fans were impressed by Dean's dissing of Cena. Can someone please justify to me how JOHN CENA is lazy? How is the workhorse of the WWE for the past 14 years LAZY?
The only thing lazy about John Cena is how he applies the STF.
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