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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 18, 2016 10:43:22 GMT -5
My turn. Ambrose is an ass. He's way better as a heel. He was piss drunk at the last HOF, he was defensive at the pod cast, he has the most stupidest middle rope rebound move in the history of wrestling, and he's the most predictable unpredictable lunatic fringe. A great heel yes, typecast incorrectly as the babyface of the shield. Cena is no different than when Flair returned to WCW after his stint in WWF and got his championship match against Vader at Starccade. Marquee players like those guys can go against the grain. The setup is absolutely right for this feud with the writing staff and they suck most of the time. Ambrose as a heel is money. Ambrose as a babyface was absolutely odd. The big knock on Rollins as a heel was that he had a babyface moveset. Well the big knock on Ambrose as a babyface should be that he has a heel moveset. It goes both ways. He largely talks like a heel too. I get that Austin did it and became a megastar but Ambrose hasn't had a cool heel run yet. I think they tried to skip that step with him but he still needs it. Maybe now more than ever.
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Post by TurboEddie on Sept 18, 2016 11:02:15 GMT -5
Fans are disloyal dick riders. They never stand by their favorite wrestlers. Still standing by the Deadman. Always will. Me, too. I can't believe people want him to retire.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 18, 2016 11:02:48 GMT -5
I think a lot of fans get behind the guy they perceive as the underdog. The guy WWE doesn't want. They get it in their head that the system is holding them down. So they rally behind guys like Bryan, Ambrose, & Cesaro. But once they reach the top, fair-weathered fans jump onto the next underdog. They're like fleas.
But like I said on page one, Austin did Ambrose no favors in that podcast. Had Austin came out and said how impressed he was with Ambrose and symbolically passed the torch, I think Dean's reception would be considerably different. But instead he basically called Dean complacent and lazy. But because it's Austin, nobody wants to call him on it.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 18, 2016 12:01:26 GMT -5
Fans are disloyal dick riders. They never stand by their favorite wrestlers. Sad, but true. It even began to happen to Bryan after WM30. Granted, I think WWE does a far better job of booking the chase to the title than actually keeping them compelling after they win it - which is probably partially responsible for it. But unfortunately, a lot of today's fans are just bandwagon jumpers waiting for the next great thing. Mark my words fans would've turned on Bryan and they slowly stared to after WM30. Bryan was a fun guy to get behind because it was common knowlege that WWE didn't want him as a top guy but once he finally reached the top fans started craping on him.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 18, 2016 12:08:53 GMT -5
Ambrose was a hype train that a lot of people jumped on. Once the train arrived and we saw that Ambrose wasn't a very good champion, I think reality kicked in. There is no doubt in my mind that the Austin podcast hurt Ambrose though. Seth Rollins was always the guy in the Shield. He's the guy who wants it the most. This place turned on him too but he'll out last it the same way guys like Triple H and Cena have over the years.Also, Ambrose was getting out popped by Styles during that feud as well. When a new shiny toy comes along for the internet to play with they turn their attention away from the old toy. I don't blame them. Ambrose is the big wheel to AJ Styles' pimped out Cadillac Power Wheel. Sorry but that is wrong. During the 2 years of the Shield it was all about Ambrose and Reigns, Rollins was just the third man who did high spots and got tagged in and out of matches. In the Shield Ambrose faced The Undertaker and won a single title while Roman was groomed as the big guy who was unstoppable and even made it to the final 2 of the 2014 Royal Rumble. Seth Rollins had no huge moments like that and was merely just another guy that made the Shield a trio. The only huge Shield moment Seth Rollins had was when he turned on the group.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 18, 2016 12:14:35 GMT -5
I think a lot of fans get behind the guy they perceive as the underdog. The guy WWE doesn't want. They get it in their head that the system is holding them down. So they rally behind guys like Bryan, Ambrose, & Cesaro. But once they reach the top, fair-weathered fans jump onto the next underdog. They're like fleas. But like I said on page one, Austin did Ambrose no favors in that podcast. Had Austin came out and said how impressed he was with Ambrose and symbolically passed the torch, I think Dean's reception would be considerably different. But instead he basically called Dean complacent and lazy. But because it's Austin, nobody wants to call him on it. That sums it up perfectly and I believe Austin's problem is that fact that people have compared Ambrose to him and that probably got his pissed off. Also lets be honest if Austin said TNA is better than WWE everyone would start calling TNA the best wrestling show on TV.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 18, 2016 12:21:57 GMT -5
I will also say that this forum has surprised me. This time 1 year ago you would never have seen a thread on here full of 90% negative comments about Ambrose.
Maybe next year people will be calling Sami Zayn an underserving guy who bores them in the ring.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 12:47:21 GMT -5
Still standing by the Deadman. Always will. Me, too. I can't believe people want him to retire. Me either. That man has earned the right to wrestle as long as he wants.
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Post by PJ on Sept 18, 2016 12:59:28 GMT -5
I will also say that this forum has surprised me. This time 1 year ago you would never have seen a thread on here full of 90% negative comments about Ambrose. Maybe next year people will be calling Sami Zayn an underserving guy who bores them in the ring. First you can go back and look at every post I have ever made since the Shield's debut and I was always pro Seth and never an Ambrose fan. But that said it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the board has turned on him. This board started to turn on Bryan once he became champion. Only his injury stopped it from becoming a full turn. They turned on Roman once he became Vince's "The Guy", but back when they Shield was together this board was full of "Roman should be the champion" talk. Many turned on Seth once he became champion although he played the cowardly heel champion who would do anything to keep the title perfectly. And although he was never "The Guy" they turned on Bray being a top heel because he lost to Cena...So why wouldn't they turn on Ambrose? I am sure there will be a new "Flavor of the Month" soon who they will turn on. But to blame Austin for Dean's downfall is wrong. Austin has done plenty of questionable things you can blame him for over the years, but the Podcast isn't one of them. Dean did absolutely nothing on that podcast to endear himself to the fans. He knew what he was getting into when he signed onto doing it. He came on it and looked drunk/stoned and didn't want to engage with Austin. Hell, he wasn't much better on the "Fluff piece" with Rene Young on Unflitered.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 18, 2016 13:13:19 GMT -5
Ambrose was a hype train that a lot of people jumped on. Once the train arrived and we saw that Ambrose wasn't a very good champion, I think reality kicked in. There is no doubt in my mind that the Austin podcast hurt Ambrose though. Seth Rollins was always the guy in the Shield. He's the guy who wants it the most. This place turned on him too but he'll out last it the same way guys like Triple H and Cena have over the years.Also, Ambrose was getting out popped by Styles during that feud as well. When a new shiny toy comes along for the internet to play with they turn their attention away from the old toy. I don't blame them. Ambrose is the big wheel to AJ Styles' pimped out Cadillac Power Wheel. Sorry but that is wrong. During the 2 years of the Shield it was all about Ambrose and Reigns, Rollins was just the third man who did high spots and got tagged in and out of matches. In the Shield Ambrose faced The Undertaker and won a single title while Roman was groomed as the big guy who was unstoppable and even made it to the final 2 of the 2014 Royal Rumble. Seth Rollins had no huge moments like that and was merely just another guy that made the Shield a trio. The only huge Shield moment Seth Rollins had was when he turned on the group. I was talking about from a talent perspective. Not the guy who was kayfabe booked to look the best...
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Post by marino13 on Sept 18, 2016 13:43:44 GMT -5
All I know is I'm an Ambrose fan. He was my favorite from the Shield and he's been my favorite since the split. His MITB win & cash in is one still one of my favorite moments of all time.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 18, 2016 14:05:47 GMT -5
I will also say that this forum has surprised me. This time 1 year ago you would never have seen a thread on here full of 90% negative comments about Ambrose. Maybe next year people will be calling Sami Zayn an underserving guy who bores them in the ring.I already think that of Sami Zayn right now! I never liked him since day one. If he loses every match in his career from now on, I would be so happy. I don't see the hype about the guy, I think he is an average worker at best, and lacks a ton of charisma.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 18, 2016 15:09:40 GMT -5
I will also say that this forum has surprised me. This time 1 year ago you would never have seen a thread on here full of 90% negative comments about Ambrose. Maybe next year people will be calling Sami Zayn an underserving guy who bores them in the ring. This. Hell right before WM everyone was backing Dean. Then the Lesnar match happened and everyone seemed to blame him for it when Dean said on the podcast that it was all Lesnar. Then they crapped on him for the average matches with Jericho, while conveniently forgetting that Jericho put on some average matches with AJ right before that didn't live up to expectations. I've been a Dean fan since the moment the Shield debuted and will continue to support him.
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Post by PJ on Sept 18, 2016 15:19:33 GMT -5
I will also say that this forum has surprised me. This time 1 year ago you would never have seen a thread on here full of 90% negative comments about Ambrose. Maybe next year people will be calling Sami Zayn an underserving guy who bores them in the ring.I already think that of Sami Zayn right now! I never liked him since day one. If he loses every match in his career from now on, I would be so happy. I don't see the hype about the guy, I think he is an average worker at best, and lacks a ton of charisma. I like Sami, but I will say this since he has come to the main roster he looks like he is letting himself go. His tights look like they are shrinking. lol
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 18, 2016 15:58:07 GMT -5
I already think that of Sami Zayn right now! I never liked him since day one. If he loses every match in his career from now on, I would be so happy. I don't see the hype about the guy, I think he is an average worker at best, and lacks a ton of charisma. I like Sami, but I will say this since he has come to the main roster he looks like he is letting himself go. His tights look like they are shrinking. lol I think its because of when people like Sami, Owens, and even Dana Brooke were all in NXT, they had the performance center there to train daily if they wanted too. They could stay fit, have a daily routine of working out, and look good. Now that they are WWE superstars and on the road 4 - 5 days of the week, they don't have the time to get themselves into working out like they should. Except Neville, but then he is the man that wellness forgot!
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Post by tg11 on Sept 18, 2016 17:37:27 GMT -5
How soon before WWE fans call for an Ambrose heel turn? This just reminds me of the WWE Universe turning on Roman Reigns especially when before all the Roman hate everyone was loving him off sucking on his jock practically and then the moment he gets any kind of success on his own the WWE Universe turns on him just like how with Ambrose before the fans were loving him and now they are hating him...just goes to show you just how fickle WWE fans are nowadays
Before the fans were never like this and now it makes me hate wrestling altogether almost
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Post by theMOESIAH on Sept 19, 2016 0:26:17 GMT -5
Well, a large portion of the fans wanted him succeed, and now he has.
And now they're turning on him.
Yep. We're right on schedule.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Sept 19, 2016 3:09:56 GMT -5
I was never a big Ambrose fan, so I am not really turning on him. I was never for him in the first place. He's good, not great. He was always my least favorite in the Shield.
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Post by Bandalero on Sept 19, 2016 5:18:48 GMT -5
I will also say that this forum has surprised me. This time 1 year ago you would never have seen a thread on here full of 90% negative comments about Ambrose. Maybe next year people will be calling Sami Zayn an underserving guy who bores them in the ring. Seriously? Sammy's a great work horse no doubt...for a happy-go-lucky taxi cab driver
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 19, 2016 7:42:42 GMT -5
Stone.
Cold.
Podcast.
It was a real set back for him, I don't care what anyone says. My perception of him soured (wasn't that high to begin with) and he lost his title not long after. He's got to work much harder than he does.
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