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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 21, 2016 19:31:00 GMT -5
In which case, it's a different issue to fans turning on someone so not sure why it was brought up. Actually you did. You said fans blame the bookers when their favourite gets turned on So Sandow did get turned on on Wfigs? I don't recall it, so without further info, it doesn't yet read like it has any relevance to fans turning on Ambrose. What period of time was this -- around the Money in the Bank time, or after the Mizdow run ended?
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 21, 2016 19:35:04 GMT -5
I have to be honest and I know people will jump down my throat for this, but that interview he did with Austin really turned me off him.... to the point where I honestly do not think I could be won back by him. I also have to say that for the last year, year and a half, Roman Reigns has been putting on far better matches than Dean Ambrose, but people will not get behind him being champion, but they did Ambrose despite a year or more of average at best matches. Reigns has far excelled past Ambrose in general as a main event worker, but to be fair, Ambrose had a much better WWE title match with Triple H than Reigns did. None of the Shield guys are perfect, but they're all pretty damn good. I do feel like giving Ambrose the ball has exposed him as being a step or two behind Reigns and Rollins as an all-rounder as well, and yet, at times he still shows flashes of being better than both of them. How did it expose him as a weaker all around talent? Last time I checked Reigns and Rollins can't work the mic nearly as well as Dean. In the ring Reigns is known for taking a beating and then hitting a bunch or Superman-punches before his spear (and yes his matches with AJ are highly overrated). Seth can hit big spots but as far as telling a story he lacks in that department. Dean isn't as flashy as Seth but he can tell a better story (as proven by the Dean/HHH match). I put Dean and Seth on par with in-ring skills but for different reasons. Dean also put on two entertaining matches with Seth, a great triple threat at Battleground, and arguably the best WWE PPV main event this year with AJ a few weeks ago. I fail to see how he was "exposed" during his title run.
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Post by IRS on Sept 21, 2016 19:47:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I think fans turning on Ambrose recently - at least the more casual fans - is more than partially due to his booking. He has been booked fairly heelish since the Ziggler feud began. It's not really shocking that they would start booing him. Then, he was in a program with arguably the hottest wrestler in the world today right after it in Styles, who is pretty much guaranteed to get cheered by around half the audience anywhere he goes.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Sept 21, 2016 22:01:27 GMT -5
This is a perfect summary of why I don't like Ambrose anymore. Goofy, needless s**t like this. At least it makes sens that he's trying to gain more momentum. I don't understand how people can hate the rebound lariate but are fine with Taker's "Old School" or Rock's "People's Elbow." They're probably the same people who loved when Nigel McGuiness did it in ROH.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 22, 2016 5:07:32 GMT -5
Actually you did. You said fans blame the bookers when their favourite gets turned on So Sandow did get turned on on Wfigs? I don't recall it, so without further info, it doesn't yet read like it has any relevance to fans turning on Ambrose. What period of time was this -- around the Money in the Bank time, or after the Mizdow run ended? LMAO are you trolling or being serious? No one turned on Sandow his fall from grace due to bad booking. You stated that fans blame bookers when their favourite gets turned on. I was simply stating that bookers are not blameless. they ruined Sandow the same way they're damaging Bray Wyatt and other stars. Bookers are destroying Ambrose as well but the only difference is his fans are blaming him instead of the bookers who are ruining him. Im pointing out that the bookers are the ones who ruin wrestlers
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 22, 2016 5:09:28 GMT -5
Reigns has far excelled past Ambrose in general as a main event worker, but to be fair, Ambrose had a much better WWE title match with Triple H than Reigns did. None of the Shield guys are perfect, but they're all pretty damn good. I do feel like giving Ambrose the ball has exposed him as being a step or two behind Reigns and Rollins as an all-rounder as well, and yet, at times he still shows flashes of being better than both of them. How did it expose him as a weaker all around talent? Last time I checked Reigns and Rollins can't work the mic nearly as well as Dean. In the ring Reigns is known for taking a beating and then hitting a bunch or Superman-punches before his spear (and yes his matches with AJ are highly overrated). Seth can hit big spots but as far as telling a story he lacks in that department. Dean isn't as flashy as Seth but he can tell a better story (as proven by the Dean/HHH match). I put Dean and Seth on par with in-ring skills but for different reasons. Dean also put on two entertaining matches with Seth, a great triple threat at Battleground, and arguably the best WWE PPV main event this year with AJ a few weeks ago. I fail to see how he was "exposed" during his title run. Not to mention their Hell on a cell match. That was the night he truelly won me over.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 22, 2016 7:38:17 GMT -5
I also think Dean is a victim of the draft split. Sure he was SD's first pick, but he hasn't been given much to work with since then. Cena was feuding with AJ. Bray feud has been done to death. Orton was dealing with Lesnar. So Dean hasn't had any great story lines to work with. The Dolph feud was okay. But they seemed to end it prematurely. Had it lead to character development for either of them it could have been great. But Dean won and went one way while Dolph lost and went the other. That's it, end of story.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 22, 2016 10:28:27 GMT -5
Bookers are destroying Ambrose as well but the only difference is his fans are blaming him instead of the bookers who are ruining him. So Dean Ambrose's performance levels are 0% the responsibility of Dean Ambrose and 100% the responsibility of WWE's creative team? Is this true just for Dean Ambrose or does it apply to the rest of the roster as well? If it were the case, every good Ambrose performance would be down to the bookers as well, not just the bad ones.
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Post by T R W on Sept 22, 2016 11:05:11 GMT -5
I like Dean a lot still. But it feels like his character and matches have been on autopilot since even before the brand split. I was happy he won the title but I have been kind of underwhelmed with him in the ring as a character for a while, despite my liking him. I don't think the blame falls squarely on anyone's shoulders, but I can see why fans would start to care less and move on to other superstars lately.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 22, 2016 11:36:20 GMT -5
I also think Dean is a victim of the draft split. Sure he was SD's first pick, but he hasn't been given much to work with since then. Cena was feuding with AJ. Bray feud has been done to death. Orton was dealing with Lesnar. So Dean hasn't had any great story lines to work with. The Dolph feud was okay. But they seemed to end it prematurely. Had it lead to character development for either of them it could have been great. But Dean won and went one way while Dolph lost and went the other. That's it, end of story. Agreed 100% and lets look at Ambrose now. He's the third wheel in this title match and I can guarantee you that eventually it will be Cena and AJ feuding for the belt while Dean will go somewhere else on the card.
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Post by PJ on Sept 22, 2016 11:55:32 GMT -5
Is it the bookers fault for Dean doing that lame @$$ slingshot clothesline? And no I wasn't a fan of the Rock or the People's elbow. And is it the bookers fault that when Dean does his catfight beatdowns where 90's of his strikes are noticeably hitting nothing but air as he pulls back to soon? Was it the bookers fault that he cut the stupidest promo on the Question Podcast after he told Austin that ad-libbing as he goes is his strong point and what he is most comfortable with? Tell me how are those shortcomings not Dean's fault? At least it makes sens that he's trying to gain more momentum. I don't understand how people can hate the rebound lariate but are fine with Taker's "Old School" or Rock's "People's Elbow." They're probably the same people who loved when Nigel McGuiness did it in ROH. You don't understand how people can hate it? WHAT! I don't know if it is one step above or below Santino's contacts the stupidest move in wrestling. And like I said above I was never a rock or People's Elbow fan. And no I didn't love it when Nigel McGuiness did it in ROH. And honestly I never heard of the guy until this thread. I have never watched or had any desire to watch ROH.
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Post by threehgame on Sept 23, 2016 20:01:18 GMT -5
20 years ago Ambrose would have fit in perfectly, his ring work is sloppy but fits a brawling hardcore style, his mic work is choppy today but his crude attitude would have worked long ago. I feel like in some ways Ambrose was seen as a possible return to an older style to some and a nostalgia trip to others. Now people are seeing that he is what he is and are pulling the normal "turn on the face champion" phase that has been common for decades in pro-wrestling.
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