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Post by WalterF on Sept 21, 2016 21:44:22 GMT -5
I find nothing wrong w him, it is purely creative.
The way i look is when he comes out, people are moresl booing wwe creative than him. It is a rebellion, he is being forced in a role and people dont accept it - it feels forced, even more casual fans sense it and boo.
I think for how long hes been around that he is pretty great in the ring but none of this will stop til he goes heel First.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Sept 21, 2016 21:48:57 GMT -5
I'm sure the hate has to do with everyone knowing his push was coming. That's actually the reason I'm not as uptight as some others (granted I didn't expect the booking to suck so bad, but still. ) I've been saying since The Sheild he was going to be the one to be a future WWE Champ.
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Post by cordless2016 on Sept 21, 2016 22:12:34 GMT -5
I don't mind Reigns the character as much as I did before (I couldn't stand him at one point) but people saying his in-ring work is great need to re-evaluate their standards. His matches consist of multiple super man punches, a few drive-by drop kicks, kicking out of multiple finishers, and a spear on top. His matches with AJ were overrated IMO as they consisted of Reigns killing all of Styles signature moves and finishers, and even kicking out of double team moves and chair shots.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Sept 21, 2016 22:59:19 GMT -5
I don't mind Reigns the character as much as I did before (I couldn't stand him at one point) but people saying his in-ring work is great need to re-evaluate their standards. His matches consist of multiple super man punches, a few drive-by drop kicks, kicking out of multiple finishers, and a spear on top. His matches with AJ were overrated IMO as they consisted of Reigns killing all of Styles signature moves and finishers, and even kicking out of double team moves and chair shots. The dude was on an absolute hot streak last year. Lesnar at Mania Big Show at Extreme Rules Fatal Four Way at Payback Wyatt at Hell In A Cell Those were all great matches. And then this year: Vs. Styles at Payback and Extreme Rules Vs. Rollins at MITB Shield Triple Threat Vs. Finn on Raw The dudes been really damn good in the ring ever since the match with Lesnar. He's had multiple match of the year candidates. It's 100% his character that is the problem. But at the same time, I feel like the reaction he gets actually adds to some of his matches. Edit: He's A LOT like Kevin Nash in my opinion. He's average a lot of the time but when he's in there with the right people he looks like a million bucks. I've been comparing those two ever since The Shield.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 23:12:09 GMT -5
I see people say his push is undeserving, but what makes his push undeserving but Kevin Owens' push not? Kevin Owens is an established veteran with proven talent. Roman, while he's a solid worker, has been wrestling the least of everyone on the roster except Braun Strowman and WWE are determined to make him happen for reasons that have nothing to do with his talents (namely his looks and his relation to The Rock). Also people are pissed because it seems like WWE are watering everyone else down to make Roman look better.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Sept 22, 2016 3:00:11 GMT -5
I don't mind Reigns the character as much as I did before (I couldn't stand him at one point) but people saying his in-ring work is great need to re-evaluate their standards. His matches consist of multiple super man punches, a few drive-by drop kicks, kicking out of multiple finishers, and a spear on top. His matches with AJ were overrated IMO as they consisted of Reigns killing all of Styles signature moves and finishers, and even kicking out of double team moves and chair shots. The dude was on an absolute hot streak last year. Lesnar at Mania Big Show at Extreme Rules Fatal Four Way at Payback Wyatt at Hell In A Cell Those were all great matches. And then this year: Vs. Styles at Payback and Extreme Rules Vs. Rollins at MITB Shield Triple Threat Vs. Finn on Raw The dudes been really damn good in the ring ever since the match with Lesnar. He's had multiple match of the year candidates. It's 100% his character that is the problem. But at the same time, I feel like the reaction he gets actually adds to some of his matches. Edit: He's A LOT like Kevin Nash in my opinion. He's average a lot of the time but when he's in there with the right people he looks like a million bucks. I've been comparing those two ever since The Shield. The Nash comparison is interesting. Did you see the recent Nash/Hall interview with JBL on the network? Big Sexy talked about it there, because he had a similar experience with a big dominant heel Royal Rumble that people loved, then people turning on him in the following months/year for getting the babyface push. He said "I lived it." They differ for me in that Roman doesn't have anywhere near the cool factor that Nash had, and Nash was nowhere near the wrestler Roman is. At this point, after all the matches you mentioned and his body of work over the last couple of years, everybody with sense has accepted Reigns is pretty damn good in the ring. Regarding the thing about his character and backlash adding to his matches, they absolutely do in a big match scenario. Kevin Owens spoke about this in an interview recently (I think it was a Jericho podcast actually), where he loves wrestling Cena and now Reigns for that reason. But in a world where it's hard to get people invested in characters and faces and heels, the best bet WWE ever has for crowd investment between full time guys is booking a main event of an Internet favourite vs an Internet hate figure. Rollins vs Owens could suffer for this at the PPV, it's harder for people to root for/against one of them so it just becomes basically an exhibition to appreciate.
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Post by JokerFC on Sept 22, 2016 4:24:33 GMT -5
I have never really minded Reigns at all.......But I feel it was mis-steps by WWE in judging crowd temp that has RR in the crowds bad books. They put him in situation the crowd wanted someone else in....SEVERAL times.
I am continually surprised by the visceral reaction to him. It cooled off substantially when he was paired with Rusev but returned when he became involved in the ME picture again.....message seems to be they don't want him anyplace near the top.
If anything his reactions are worse than Cenas in a lot of arenas. But again? I don't mind the guy at all and find his in ring work pretty good.....I think he is pretty solid at what he does.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 22, 2016 7:05:52 GMT -5
I have never really minded Reigns at all.......But I feel it was mis-steps by WWE in judging crowd temp that has RR in the crowds bad books. They put him in situation the crowd wanted someone else in....SEVERAL times. I am continually surprised by the visceral reaction to him. It cooled off substantially when he was paired with Rusev but returned when he became involved in the ME picture again.....message seems to be they don't want him anyplace near the top. If anything his reactions are worse than Cenas in a lot of arenas. But again? I don't mind the guy at all and find his in ring work pretty good.....I think he is pretty solid at what he does. The funny thing is that in the 2014 RR people wanted him to win but fast forward 1 year and they booed him out of the building. Reigns has the makings of a top heel and could succeed if WWE pulled the trigger and finally turned him.
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Post by ricflair4ever on Sept 22, 2016 8:04:16 GMT -5
I said way back in late 2013, that Reigns should be pushed closer to the Batista formula,then the Cena formula. If they had went with the badass template and never veered into superman territory, people would have got behind him substantially more. Not to mention when, much like Batista, fans tired of him as a face, he could be easily switched heel and more mileage would have been garnered from him. He's still salvageable, but its going to take much longer to get him to where they want him to be percieved in the eyes of the vast majority. In ring wise, the guys not terrible and he's got a marketable look. I have no problem with his ability when booked against the right opponent especially. They've attempted superman Reigns, comedic Reigns, and half assed the silent brutal Reigns. In my view, the above comparisons to Kevin Nash are the next way to go. See if hes capable of mustering the cocky, arrogant, ultra cool swagger of Nash. I ddon't know if his abiities are on the level to do it and not come off forced, but at this point the guy can't find his footing, even the attempt at such a gimmick would be valid just for being different than what we're currently getting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 8:37:54 GMT -5
The problem is the fans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 8:44:36 GMT -5
I have never really minded Reigns at all.......But I feel it was mis-steps by WWE in judging crowd temp that has RR in the crowds bad books. They put him in situation the crowd wanted someone else in....SEVERAL times. I am continually surprised by the visceral reaction to him. It cooled off substantially when he was paired with Rusev but returned when he became involved in the ME picture again.....message seems to be they don't want him anyplace near the top. If anything his reactions are worse than Cenas in a lot of arenas. But again? I don't mind the guy at all and find his in ring work pretty good.....I think he is pretty solid at what he does. The funny thing is that in the 2014 RR people wanted him to win but fast forward 1 year and they booed him out of the building. 2014 Royal Rumble? This thread is about Roman Reigns, not Daniel Bryan.
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Post by #DI-WHY? on Sept 22, 2016 9:35:17 GMT -5
If you don't think that Reigns was groomed or pushed hard to be the #1 guy in the company in the past 3 years, I seriously don't think you've been watching the product. It's not a myth, it was blatantly happening. Nobody else that I've ever seen in wrestling got a push like he did in the past decade. The original plan was to have him go over Brock at Mania 31. If the fans weren't as vocal as they were it would be an entirely different story. Brock Lesnar, Kurt Angle. Sheamus. They were pushed very quickly since their debut. Also the rumours about Reigns being pushed as the guy started way before The Shield even split. Yes Roman Reign got a huge push but fans hyped it up which made people turn against him. He waited 18 months to get the title after the Shield split. Those three guys getting early pushes, is by no means a justification for Reigns to get one too.
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Post by #DI-WHY? on Sept 22, 2016 9:41:49 GMT -5
My huge problem with Reigns is that he ALWAYS finds a way to at least try to contest for the title.
Like to the point where it doesn't make sense. Steph is mad that Reigns "lost the title for RAW" at Battleground. She says he never deserves to have another opportunity at the title. What does she do? PUTS HIM IN THE TITLE TOURNAMENT TWO MINUTES LATER.
Like Reigns the wrestler, I have no problem for, but his booking has made me hate seeing him in my TV, and I don't think anything they can do with him will change that.
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Post by hbkowns on Sept 22, 2016 11:14:30 GMT -5
The problem is the booking and Vince. Fixed
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Sept 22, 2016 11:20:07 GMT -5
The dude was on an absolute hot streak last year. Lesnar at Mania Big Show at Extreme Rules Fatal Four Way at Payback Wyatt at Hell In A Cell Those were all great matches. And then this year: Vs. Styles at Payback and Extreme Rules Vs. Rollins at MITB Shield Triple Threat Vs. Finn on Raw The dudes been really damn good in the ring ever since the match with Lesnar. He's had multiple match of the year candidates. It's 100% his character that is the problem. But at the same time, I feel like the reaction he gets actually adds to some of his matches. Edit: He's A LOT like Kevin Nash in my opinion. He's average a lot of the time but when he's in there with the right people he looks like a million bucks. I've been comparing those two ever since The Shield. The Nash comparison is interesting. Did you see the recent Nash/Hall interview with JBL on the network? Big Sexy talked about it there, because he had a similar experience with a big dominant heel Royal Rumble that people loved, then people turning on him in the following months/year for getting the babyface push. He said "I lived it." They differ for me in that Roman doesn't have anywhere near the cool factor that Nash had, and Nash was nowhere near the wrestler Roman is. At this point, after all the matches you mentioned and his body of work over the last couple of years, everybody with sense has accepted Reigns is pretty damn good in the ring. Regarding the thing about his character and backlash adding to his matches, they absolutely do in a big match scenario. Kevin Owens spoke about this in an interview recently (I think it was a Jericho podcast actually), where he loves wrestling Cena and now Reigns for that reason. But in a world where it's hard to get people invested in characters and faces and heels, the best bet WWE ever has for crowd investment between full time guys is booking a main event of an Internet favourite vs an Internet hate figure. Rollins vs Owens could suffer for this at the PPV, it's harder for people to root for/against one of them so it just becomes basically an exhibition to appreciate. Yeah I watched that Monday Night. It was certainly interesting to see Nash pretty much agree with the comparison. Like I said I've seen the similarities in their runs ever since The Shield/Rumble 14' I agree about Owens/Rollins as well. It happened at Summerslam with Rollins/Balor.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 22, 2016 11:38:52 GMT -5
The funny thing is that in the 2014 RR people wanted him to win but fast forward 1 year and they booed him out of the building. 2014 Royal Rumble? This thread is about Roman Reigns, not Daniel Bryan. Didn't you hear the fans when Roman and Batista were the final 2? Daniel Bryan didn't enter so they choose Roman to win instead.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 11:53:23 GMT -5
2014 Royal Rumble? This thread is about Roman Reigns, not Daniel Bryan. Didn't you hear the fans when Roman and Batista were the final 2? Daniel Bryan didn't enter so they choose Roman to win instead. Didn't you hear fans boo Rey Mysterio out of the building because he came out at #30 and wasn't Daniel Bryan? There's no way you can tell me that the fans were behind Roman at all that night, or that time surrounding Daniel Bryan in 2013-14.
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Post by King Richius on Sept 22, 2016 12:09:20 GMT -5
Ugh. Roman is not that great in the ring. The majority of his moves are extremely common moves preceded by a jump: the superman punch, his leaping clothesline, the drive by, hell the spear is nothing but a jump. And that stupid multiple clothesline in the corner assault of his where he is pretty much giving is opponent rapid fire bro hugs - I hate it. The fact that he has good matches is more a credit to his opponents than to him. As others have said, most of his matches pre-suspension were him taking everything that is thrown at him and constantly kicking out before "spear pin thank you and good night".
At least since coming back from his suspension he has been taking clean pins but how long will that last before he gets out of Vince's doghouse and we get WWE Champion Super-Reigns force fed down our throats again?
IMHO Roman is an average wrestler with below average mic skills and some of the worst booking ever.
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Post by IRS on Sept 22, 2016 12:33:00 GMT -5
2014 Royal Rumble? This thread is about Roman Reigns, not Daniel Bryan. Didn't you hear the fans when Roman and Batista were the final 2? Daniel Bryan didn't enter so they choose Roman to win instead. Only because they didn't want Batista to stroll back into the company and win. It definitely wasn't just because Reigns was over.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 12:41:29 GMT -5
2014 Royal Rumble? This thread is about Roman Reigns, not Daniel Bryan. Didn't you hear the fans when Roman and Batista were the final 2? Daniel Bryan didn't enter so they choose Roman to win instead. They didn't "choose Roman". They wanted "anyone but Batista" to win.
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