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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 15:38:17 GMT -5
TNA has to stay alive simply because it can produce something as groundbreaking as the final deletion.
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FUSamBaker
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Post by FUSamBaker on Sept 28, 2016 19:39:58 GMT -5
Just wanna chime in to all saying "they'll get funding at the last minute..."
How many times has this happened? How many known times has TNA lucked out at the final hour? How many times that we don't even know about? This is absolutely NO way to do business. Depending on last minute money miracles is a poor way of conducting a business. I have a short story that's similar....
I used to attend/volunteer/work my *ss off at church. I was the youngest member by at least 30 years lol. Anyway, for about 7 years, this church depended on a non church member to donate $1,000 each month. He was a very kind gay man who unfortunately passed in a car accident. As soon as that $1,000 wasn't coming in, we went downhill. Our congregation went from 150 each Sunday to 7! We went through 3 pastors in 5 years. I finally left last year after a dispute with the new pastor. Basically, the church is dead in the water. All the blood, sweat and sacrifices down the drain due to POOR business! Depending on that $1,000 each month until it was no more. Then scrambling to pay the building, pastor, lights, water, office supplies ect....
Do you guys see where I'm going with this? TNA cannot survive on depending on last minute money all the time. It shows how the have poor planning skills. They are leaving their talented workers in a bad place. I can relate to feeling that "are we gonna be open next week?" Feeling. Except for them, they have money and a livelihood on the line. TNA should be ashamed of the muck they've created. While I LOVE the show and am a die hard fan, they have buried a hole they may not come out of.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Sept 28, 2016 19:53:30 GMT -5
Lol, this is hilarious.
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Post by BSR on Sept 28, 2016 20:53:22 GMT -5
I want WWE to buy them. Only because it would lead to their library being added to the WWE Network and being able to freely watch 2002-2009 TNA would be awesome. If they have to close that's what I want to happen to them.
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Post by LA Times on Sept 28, 2016 20:59:04 GMT -5
I really want TNA to do well, but it will fade away and classify itself as obsolete
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Post by Darkhawk on Sept 28, 2016 21:08:26 GMT -5
UPDATE
Non-Compete Clause? That's freaking bullcrap.
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Post by JDSFullmetal on Sept 28, 2016 21:52:14 GMT -5
UPDATENon-Compete Clause? That's freaking bullcrap. they did the same with Ted Turner when buying WCW. Can't blame them for doing the same now.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 28, 2016 21:58:05 GMT -5
One problem financially that could be solved....GET THE HELL OUT OF ORLANDO!!!! Christ...Impact is full of tourists. Take the money you can get from selling tickets. I am not saying you have to tour. But setup shop somewhere...rent the building, sell the tickets, do the backstage pass, etc. Make your wrestlers commit to making TNA #1 by capitalizing on what WWE CANNOT do. Meet n greets, fan fests, breakfast with, etc. Do what you need to draw a gate. One of the biggest reason house shows failed...NO MARKETING in the area. TNA once had a street team made up of volunteers. Bring it back. What are you out? There are TONS of ways to promote, market, advertise all with a very, very minimal investment. To top it off, you reward the street team with comp tickets that fill your building out for the seats you cant sell. The Impact Zone is literally A LOSS each time they are running. They are renting from Universal, making no gate, crowd that is there are tourists, the merch area is all but non existant, no room for meet n greets, backstage passes, etc. Its a ing drain on the company to run there. The only plus is a good chunk of the talent is can drive into Orlando and that saves on flight costs.
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Post by Falconsinclair on Sept 28, 2016 23:33:45 GMT -5
A couple of years ago Filsinger Games ran a show in their hometown where they had indy stars bringing their Champions of the Galaxy characters to life.
TNA also ran in the same town on the same day and only outdrew the Filsinger Games event by less than 500 people.
If I had to guess the Filsinger event drew about 200-300 people (if that), which says a lot.
Here is the video that Filsinger Games as part of the Live Event DVD.
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Post by Darkhawk on Sept 29, 2016 0:44:51 GMT -5
Bischoff's thoughts on TNA right now.
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Post by JHTB® on Sept 29, 2016 1:02:38 GMT -5
I've never been this interested in TNA before.
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Post by SodaGuy on Sept 29, 2016 2:08:13 GMT -5
One problem financially that could be solved....GET THE HELL OUT OF ORLANDO!!!! Christ...Impact is full of tourists. Take the money you can get from selling tickets. I am not saying you have to tour. But setup shop somewhere...rent the building, sell the tickets, do the backstage pass, etc. Make your wrestlers commit to making TNA #1 by capitalizing on what WWE CANNOT do. Meet n greets, fan fests, breakfast with, etc. Do what you need to draw a gate. One of the biggest reason house shows failed...NO MARKETING in the area. TNA once had a street team made up of volunteers. Bring it back. What are you out? There are TONS of ways to promote, market, advertise all with a very, very minimal investment. To top it off, you reward the street team with comp tickets that fill your building out for the seats you cant sell. The Impact Zone is literally A LOSS each time they are running. They are renting from Universal, making no gate, crowd that is there are tourists, the merch area is all but non existant, no room for meet n greets, backstage passes, etc. Its a ing drain on the company to run there. The only plus is a good chunk of the talent is can drive into Orlando and that saves on flight costs.\ The iMPACT Zone is a loss each time might be true but so would running events in Nashville or Atlanta or whatever name someone wants to pull out of their hat. The location ain't the problem. The problem is nobody gives a big enough s*** about this company to spend money on them.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 29, 2016 4:05:33 GMT -5
The only way TNA closing would be sad for the wrestling world is that those wrestlers will not be as easy to watch as they'll have to go to companies that don't have television deals. But, in reality, TNA is an indy promotion with a telly deal. That's all. Someone else could start something equal to TNA tomorrow. Hell, if ROH had kept their telly deal, they'd probably be considered the number two company in north America.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Sept 29, 2016 4:17:17 GMT -5
It sucks that TNA is going through this at a time where their product has almost never been better save for the weekly PPV period. It's one of those things though where the company has been mismanaged for far too long that the well just completely ran dry and they waited til the last possible minute to fix it. I hope that Billy Corgan's purchase goes through though. I've said it before and it bears repeating, nothing positive comes from TNA dying. One less wrestling promotion that could be considered an alternative. Maybe not as strong as an alternative as it was a few years ago but still something that the likes of Sandow and Rhodes considered viable enough to try.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Sept 29, 2016 7:11:48 GMT -5
What's EM3 doing on Smackdown?! Stephanie and Shane's cousin that has never been mentioned once!?!
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Post by Sizzle on Sept 29, 2016 8:03:14 GMT -5
What's EM3 doing on Smackdown?! Stephanie and Shane's cousin that has never been mentioned once!?! That would mean (in kayfabe) that the Dixie Carter and Vince are related. Whoa.
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Post by Lebowski on Sept 29, 2016 9:23:16 GMT -5
TNA has to stay alive simply because it can produce something as groundbreaking as the final deletion. By all accounts: that was all Matt and Jeff - which I can totally believe, and JB overseeing the production. So "TNA" and by that I really mean, useless and car wreck "Dixie Carter" had nothing to do with it: DIXIE CARTER is the problem. I wish she would have sold a few years ago when she had the chance. But she is so pathetic, she would literally only sell if she got to stay on TV in a "management" role. What an absolute moron that woman is. Good riddance I say.
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Post by Lebowski on Sept 29, 2016 9:24:23 GMT -5
And I wouldn't call Final Deletion "groundbreaking" either. It was different and in no way sustainable as a form of output for what "pro wrestling" is. I did like it for what it was - but that's another story for a different topic I guess.
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Post by J12 on Sept 29, 2016 9:39:32 GMT -5
At the end of the day, either they're going to fold and WWE is going to gobble up the tape library for pennies on the dollar, or someone is going to overpay.
Billy Corgan is a smart man, and as much as he wants the company and wants it to succeed, he's not going to throw heaps of unwarranted cash to get it. TNA is worth almost nothing. I mean that quite literally. What are you buying? A company with no forward momentum, a TV deal that virtually any reasonable promoter could secure with some basic level funding, a ring, some lights, some leftover merch, and a brand name with negative equity. Not to mention, all the debt. They have no assets outside of a tape library. There's almost nothing to buy.
Meanwhile, Dixie Carter is still looking for investors so she can jump back into the fray and "outbid" Corgan, which is just insane.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 29, 2016 9:47:31 GMT -5
The only way TNA closing would be sad for the wrestling world is that those wrestlers will not be as easy to watch as they'll have to go to companies that don't have television deals. But, in reality, TNA is an indy promotion with a telly deal. That's all. Someone else could start something equal to TNA tomorrow. Hell, if ROH had kept their telly deal, they'd probably be considered the number two company in north America. Jeff Jarrett tried and has seemingly failed with GFW. If it were that easy, someone would do it. TNA has enough brand recognition that they keep picking up TV deals. Which, say what you want, is a massive factor in getting your brand out to the public. That's why TNA is popular overseas. ROH broadcasts to about 65-ish% of the US through Sinclair on local access. You can also watch their show weekly, for free, on their website. Unfortunately for ROH, who really does have a nice amount of talent right now, they don't know how to make an intriguing weekly broadcast. They just air random previously recorded matches with various PPV building 2 minute promos woven in-and-out of the shows. That, mixed with their poor lighting and gymnasium presentation, is always going to stop them from going above where they're at, which isn't close to where TNA once was in the mid 2000s. All of this is coming from a guy who has passionately watched ROH for more than a decade, but TNA, because of their past, has always had a brand that feels like it falls between what WWE does, and what ROH does. I think that's largely because of how professional TNA has kept the show looking, despite all of their financial issues. I do think TNA has a ton of trouble promoting live events and getting people out to see them when they're in town. ROH really seems to do a much better job of that on a much more consistent basis. So that's definitely something TNA needs to address if they can keep the doors open. TNA's product is great right now. I don't know how anyone who has watched that show lately can't feel that way. They've revamped their approach, the tag team feud is off the charts, the main event scene is strong, and the new title format seems to be working so far imo. They're trying with the X-Division too, for better or worse. I think someone asked how many times Billy has bailed them out, he said yesterday it's been 3 times. It seems like he's prepared to do it again on Sunday. I think he wants to be part owner in whoever comes in and buys TNA and run the day-to-day. Which is ideal but WWE would obviously ruin all of that. WWE has been largely uninspired TV for years now. The last thing they need is to not be pushed by other wrestling products. Wrestling, in terms of popularity amongst casual viewers, is down, way down. So there isn't going to be another TNA popping up in TNA's place. I think the world needs TNA more than WWE needs TNA's video library. But hey, that's just me.
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