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Post by FUSamBaker on Oct 11, 2016 23:37:18 GMT -5
Hey guys! So I'm a HUGE Halloween fan. I actually just finished a marathon with my best friend. While we have different views on the whole franchise, we both agree that there needs to be a new Halloween film.
I have done a few videos on the whole H20 vs Halloween 4,5 & 6 "timelines." If you don't know what I'm talking about than take a gander on the net. This whole post will make more sense lol. While I love Halloween and Halloween 2, I geek out for Halloween 4-6. As a kid I didn't like the fact that Jamie Lee Curtis didn't reprise her role as Laurie Strode for the 4-6 movies. However as a 25 year old nerd, I have a greater appreciation for those movies. Sure Halloween 5 was rushed and Halloween 6 took a different turn. Both movies are farrrrr better than Halloween: Resurrection.
So back to the potential Halloween 9. There has been buzz around that this movie may happen. However I've rea several "rumored drafts." One popular one being that it will be a "stand alone film." That makes me sick and here is why...cue b*tch rant....
The last Halloween movie took place almost 15 years ago. We've waited over a decade for a new Michael Myers movie. Halloween movies are good because they follow one storyline (I know I know the "h20 vs 4-6" thing). Making Halloween 9 a stand alone would be worse to the franchise than Rob Zombie's bull crap remakes. We deserve a final chapter to Michael Myers. A stand alone would flatline as bad as Season of the Witch (a film which I actually like.) stand alone films do nothing to progress the story in any way. In fact it may only make us want another film to wrap up loose ends.
As for the "storyline issues....." Since I'm a fan of all the films, I want to see Halloween 9 continue all the films! Laurie Strode, Jamie Lloyd, John Tate, Dr. Loomis and Tommy Doyle must all be included or mentioned. Currently in the Halloween franchise we have both John Tate and Steven Lloyd as Michael's only surviving family. John being Laurie's son and Steven being Jamie Lloyd's son (making him Laurie's grandson.) Both of these characters in Halloween 9 will be crucial. Any major Halloween fans would probably agree.
While there have been a few continuity errors in the last two films, they can be easily reconnected. In fact, H20 was written to mention the previous 3 Halloween films but was omitted. In my opinion, it is all the same story.
Finally, Halloween is arguably the best horror film made. But let's face it, the films are getting few and far between. The magic of these movies is the fact that Halloween has never strayed from being a slasher. It's not silly like Nightmare on Elm Street, it hasn't done outlandish movies like Friday the 13th and it's not as dramatic as Scream. Giving Halloween a final movie to finish of the amazing 7 previous films would be a fan's dream. Michael Myers may not end but the Halloween films will.
Hopefully Halloween 9 will eventually come to fruition. When it does I fully expect it to include references to Jamie Lloyd, Laurie Strode and yes even the curse of the Thorn.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Oct 12, 2016 3:21:28 GMT -5
We can only hope my brother. We can only hope.
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Post by MacReady on Oct 12, 2016 12:30:10 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea HOW (though I'd love for them to do so) they could tie the 4-6 timeline/ H20 timeline together; without it being unbelievable.
How would you go about it if you could?
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 12, 2016 13:11:57 GMT -5
Halloween 1, 2. 4, 5 and 6. As far as I am concerned H2O didn't happen, because it makes 4, 5 and 6 seem like they never happened!
So with that being said, was Jamie's mom Laurie?? That's what I gathered from the 4th movie. And if so, they said she was dead, yet she is alive in H20 and has a son. So did Laurie say, "Oops, I got knocked up at a young age, you take my child, I am out of here to go off and have a new family when I am older??"
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Post by RSCTom on Oct 12, 2016 13:36:15 GMT -5
They could definitely go the reboot route with Stephen, have John be kind of the 'distant uncle'/Loomis and and just basically remake the original. That would include all the history.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 14:03:01 GMT -5
. YOU. SAM. BAKER.
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Post by Word™ on Oct 12, 2016 14:52:16 GMT -5
Sadly, I think Rob Zombie destroyed the Halloween franchise..
I might be alone on this, I know alot of people enjoyed his takes on Halloween.. But I personally believe Rob Zombie did way more harm than good for the overall franchise of Halloween.
I kinda wish he was never given the go ahead on 'Halloween 2'.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Oct 12, 2016 15:07:20 GMT -5
Zombie's movies were crap.
I love the series, it's a big guilty pleasure. Halloween, Halloween 2, H2O is my serious trilogy. I consider 4-6 kind of an else works story. I enjoy them, but it was a direction I wasn't wanting things to go.
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Post by johnnyb on Oct 12, 2016 15:31:00 GMT -5
Halloween 1, 2. 4, 5 and 6. As far as I am concerned H2O didn't happen, because it makes 4, 5 and 6 seem like they never happened! So with that being said, was Jamie's mom Laurie?? That's what I gathered from the 4th movie. And if so, they said she was dead, yet she is alive in H20 and has a son. So did Laurie say, "Oops, I got knocked up at a young age, you take my child, I am out of here to go off and have a new family when I am older??" In Halloween 4 they state that she died in a car crash. I think Jamie got adopted by relatives of Laurie? I can't remember exactly what their relation was to her. In H20 she tells her boyfriend that she faked her death and assumed a new identity to hide from Michael. To me, the original movies through Resurrection can all work on the same timeline, more or less. Sadly, I think Rob Zombie destroyed the Halloween franchise.. I might be alone on this, I know alot of people enjoyed his takes on Halloween.. But I personally believe Rob Zombie did way more harm than good for the overall franchise of Halloween. I kinda wish he was never given the go ahead on 'Halloween 2'. I liked the first one the first time I saw it (didn't care much for the first half because I don't like attempts to humanize Michael) but it doesn't hold up well on multiple viewings. H2 is quite literally the worst movie I ever saw in theaters. I totally agree that those two movies set the franchise back.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Oct 12, 2016 15:37:24 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea HOW (though I'd love for them to do so) they could tie the 4-6 timeline/ H20 timeline together; without it being unbelievable. How would you go about it if you could? I'm glad you asked my good sir . While some parts would probably not connect, I'd work around it. Here is my basic plot points for Halloween 9... 1. So it was stated in Halloween 4 that Laurie Strode "died" in an automobile accident. It's also stated in H20 that Laurie faked her death to become Keri Tate. This would be an explanation on why she was missing from 4-6. 2. I'd explain that Laurie faked her death thinking that Michael would come for her if he ever woke up from his coma in H4. The story would go that Loomis always was in contact with Laurie while looking out for Jamie Lloyd. When Michael awoke from his coma, Loomis was consumed with stopping him. Thus his contact with Laurie was limited. When Jamie Lloyd went missing after H5, Loomis informed Laurie. However seeing as how she had her son, she was reluctant to go search for Jamie herself. 3. With some minor retconning, Jamie Lloyd and John Tate would be half siblings. Jamie's father died in an automobile accident while Laurie survived and faked her death. She soon moved to California under the name Keri Tate, met a man and quickly became pregnant with her son. 4. So H20 doesn't mention most of the events of Halloween 4-6. All of H20 takes place outside of Haddonfield. Most of the legend of Michael Myers probably gets tossed around outside of that city. So the errors could easily be wiped from cannon. 5. After Halloween 6, Loomis obviously fell ill and died. He wasn't able to inform Laurie about Michael, Jamie, Steven or the Thorn/Dr. Winn. Lastly....here would be my main plot for Halloween 9. John Tate has obtained records, files, journals ect of Sam Loomis. He learns more about Jamie Lloyd, Steven, Tommy Doyle and Kara & Danny Strode. With much investigation, he finds them. However Michael, knowing one day John would go looking for his nephew, has been stalking in the shadows. He follows John to finally find Steven and kill them both. John and Steven work together while Michael finds and kills Tommy, Kara and possibly Danny (though I like the character.) A final showdown between Michael and his nephews ensues. While Michael seems to have the upper hand, visions of Laurie and Jamie as well as voices of Loomis haunt him. As soon as he is about to lose, Dr. Winn urges Michael to kill the nephews. John and Steven finally kill Winn, Michael is weakened and they finall off him. Thus ending the Halloween franchise.....
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 12, 2016 18:38:57 GMT -5
I don't consider the Rob Zombie films true Halloween films. They were his usual "white-trash, raping maniacs" movies.
The first two movies are great.
4 is solid. 5 sucked. 6 did too. H2O was solid. Resurrection was bad.
1 > 2 >> 4>H2O>>>>5>Resurection>6
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Post by FUSamBaker on Oct 12, 2016 19:27:48 GMT -5
I don't consider the Rob Zombie films true Halloween films. They were his usual "white-trash, raping maniacs" movies. The first two movies are great. 4 is solid. 5 sucked. 6 did too. H2O was solid. Resurrection was bad. 1 > 2 >> 4>H2O>>>>5>Resurection>6 The Rob Zombie films were a let down imo. They're nice to watch but I am NOT a remake fan. Especially when the storyline of an original film is ongoing. Much like Nightmare on Elm Street. We didn't need a remake of a story that clearly continues film after film. If they remake Hellraiser then I'll be mad haha. You coul maybe get away with a prequel but not a remake. And I agree with you a lot. Halloween 5 wasn't too great. It was horribly rushed. It was barely even a year after Halloween 4. Plus it pretty much ditched the possible Jaime Lloyd being a killer story. Halloween 6 is one of my favorites to be honest. It tried explaining why Michael is evil. I mean the dude keeps getting back up time after time. I feel like an explanation of how he's so supernatural is fitting. However the story was jumbled too much. Plus killing Jamie Lloyd off the bat was a stinker. I much rather have had Dimension offer Danielle Harris a good sum of money. I heard she declined due to money and the story being off putting to her. I agree with her but I think her presence would have helped the film even out. Plus it was Donald Pleasence's final film. I have to immediately give props just for that fact lol. Resurrection serves for the reason I am 1000% against any stand alone Halloween films. The basis of the entire franchise is the fact that Michael is trying to kill his family. Dumb "timelines" aside, he still has 2 surviving nephews. Resurrection ignores that and ops to kill Laurie off and make a cheesy story just to fill the movie. I'd have her killed off in the last few minutes to make it even out. Jamie Lee was contractually obligated to a 30 second cameo (like really? Haha) but she loved the script so much that she did a 4 day stint of filming. I think they could have done a better story, saved Curtis for the final scenes and then killed her off. Simply, I will legit riot if we get a stand alone film. The fact that H20 and Resurrection ignore not only the hard work of everyone involved with H4-6, it ignores Donald. He did 5 Halloween films and carried them by himself. Credit to all the other actors but we all know Sir Donald Pleasence was the reason none of the films completely crashed. To be completely honest, if I had the means id try and do the film myself lol. Halloween 6 was written by a fan and edited. I just feel like we are all getting older, the last film obviously left it open for another installment. If they're gonna space the movies out this long then it needs to end. I think doing a wrap up of the entire series would not only best Rob Zombie's films but be compared to the original.
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Post by ARUN on Oct 12, 2016 23:25:14 GMT -5
My favourite horror movie franchise. 4 and 5 are my favourites. I really hope we get a new Halloween movie soon. It's long overdue. Also I honestly thought Rob Zombies Halloween was really good. Too bad his version of part 2 sucked.
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Post by RSCTom on Oct 13, 2016 9:57:34 GMT -5
Sorry, I hate to say it for all the 4-6 fans, but those movies are below grindhouse. 2 IS grindhouse and almost there as well, but at least it follows the storyline. To date our most consumable sequel to the first movie (which is a masterpiece) is H20. The thorn cult thing is almost as bad as Rob Zombie having little kid-Michael 'talk' in the first reel. It's just nonsense explanation to try and make something out of what should be nothing. I look back on these movies fondly because I enjoyed them as a kid, etc, but I can't sit here and say they really matter in the scheme of what we're talking about.
That having been said I do like the challenge that people take to integrate these kinds of loose history situations and making them work instead of pretending they don't exist (which I definitely think H20 did, even though it's too subtle for some people). So I think just blindly starting with someone like Stephen grown up and just reliving Laurie's experience with John in the background trying to figure out what happened to his mother, etc.
My only concern with that is it's a little too 'reboot' like The Force Awakens or what have you and that stuff is getting so exhaustingly boring in the modern day movie landscape that I'd rather just not get anything.
Also, where does the longevity really last here? Can a Michael Myers storyline really carry on generation after generation?
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Post by FUSamBaker on Oct 13, 2016 10:28:43 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking. The entire story of Michael Myers has been around for almost 40 years. I think it's time to finally put it down. Especially since the movies are getting so far between. At this rate, I'll be 40 if they go to Halloween 10 lol. I'm not a patient person whatsoever and that's why I've had big issues with Resurrection til now.
I can't say I don't like H20. Minus the continuity errors (I am a very fickle person with movie with that problem) I enjoy that installment. Resurrection....not so much. I list it with the Rob Zombie films and H5. Heck I like Halloween 3 better than Resurrection. Not to get off topic but Halloween 3 is actually a decent film. It fits with the cult horror sort of cheesy films of the 80s. If it wasn't under the Halloween name, Season of the Witch would probably have a better reputation.
Back to Myers, there is obviously a strong demand for a final installment. There are fan films all over the place. Like I stated above, If I knew an amateur film maker id totally collaborate on an idea. I just feel that not only does Halloween H20 and H4-6 need to connect but also we need to kill the story. If you follow the story by its roots then Michael would be 60 by now. I know he's "unkillable" ect but I think the more he doesn't die, the more Halloween begins to feel like Friday the 13th. Not that Friday's franchise is bad by any means. But they certainly have more stinkers than Halloween does.
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Post by RSCTom on Oct 13, 2016 10:55:18 GMT -5
I wish it had all ended with him getting his head chopped off.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 14, 2016 3:19:39 GMT -5
I think the first Halloween was a great movie. And then after that 3 is the next best one in the franchise. 3 was a fresh new start while keeping in tone with Halloween. It was an original idea that had a lot of potential but due to Michael's popularity people are quick to dismiss it.
As for a killer being around for generations, it's nothing new. More recently the BTK killer killed people in a 20 year span from 1974 into the 90s, and he wasnt caught until 2005.
The only thing is, do I want to see a movie where Michael is finally caught? Would age be his downfall? I'll admit it would be very interesting to see what they do but I dont know that I want to see the Franchise ended. On the other hand I wouldnt want Halloween to go the route of Friday the 13th 9 (Jason goes to Hell), where we see Jason get defeated only for his "spirit" to continue on in a brain slug fashion. Something where now someone else has taken the Murderous lifestyle up.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Oct 15, 2016 20:17:26 GMT -5
I'm in the minority that liked Rob Zombie's remake, the first one anyway. The second one was terrible.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 16, 2016 1:21:07 GMT -5
I'm in the minority that liked Rob Zombie's remake, the first one anyway. The second one was terrible. My biggest issue with the Zombie films is his inability to write a script with out vulgar dialogue. I doubt there is a 5 min period in all of his movies with out a cuss word. Or some kind of sexual reference. Halloween, the original was a story about small town America, it could have happened to anyone, in any family. In the Zombie film he makes us think Michael kills because of his poor upbringing. Zombie took what was a scary tale of the unexplained and just ripped off pretty much any serial killer's past. His style of film making has a place and I dont feel that place is an iconic movie like Halloween.
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Post by Suckasays on Oct 16, 2016 6:11:23 GMT -5
I don't know how they could connect them now, but if they'd done it shortly after resurrection it'd been much easier.
John (Josh Hartnett) is informed of his mothers death. He travels to collect her things and gets caught in a media storm about Myers still being alive. More secrets come out and he learns that Laurie had a child prior to faking her death and moving to California, in Jamie Lloyd (Danielle Harris). He also learns that Jamie gave birth (Halloween the curse of Michael Myers) and that he has a nephew floating around out there. The news is already out that Michael Myers returned to Haddonfield and had gotten away again and escaped the morgue (the events and ending of Resurrection). John is informed that Michael had returned to Haddonfield to kill his great nephew. Assuming he'd never be able to escape, John finds out where his nephew is and travels there to confront Myers and stop him. Who would know and be telling him all these things? Paul Rudd again as Tommy Doyle, this time seemingly more off his rocker and himself in the asylum, filling John in on the whole thing. He could even more half-connect the entire series my quickly (just for fan amusement) mentioning the thorn cult and how the cult not only used Myers to kill but also created masks to kill kids (Halloween III) at one point. So Doyle gives John the info he needs to locate his nephew. The nephew is living in a sleepy little Haddonfield type town and being raised by a family unconnected to the series. This family adopted the baby after the events of Halloween 6 and had no idea of his affiliation with Myers, Haddonfield or any of that. John rolls into town to try to warn the authorities. Nobody believes him. Think a similar situation with Dr. Loomis in part 1. He can become "that guy" in this. Meanwhile, we're introduced to our babysitters... The nephews adoptive parents have put him in the care of our female lead while they take a night out. Her friends will play the victims as we get the juicy parts of our story, which becomes an old school stalk the babysitters Michael Myers flick with finally convincing folks he's in their town. It becomes sort of an ode to the original in the last couple of acts but would tie it all together nicely.
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