Johnny Mason
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Post by Johnny Mason on Oct 28, 2016 15:04:53 GMT -5
In my opinion Roman reigns is a good wrestler.
He has had good matches with... Aj styles Brock lesnar Seth rollins Daniel bryan Triple h And even big show.
He has improved on the mic, and in the ring.
People say that he was pushed down our throats, but he was pushed the same as a lot of the best in wwe.
So why do people hate reigns? Is it just the "cool" thing to do?
Also imo he would be better as a heel.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Oct 28, 2016 15:10:47 GMT -5
I really liked his matches at Wrestlemania 31 and 32
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Post by Revy on Oct 28, 2016 15:23:20 GMT -5
I don't hate reigns. I nothing him. Something I think would help his cause..... change his gear. He's been doing the swat gear since his debut. Seth and dean both changed and Roman is still rockin the SHIELD gimmick. I think a refresh would help him a lot. Plus he's the heel in this feud with Rusev, you can't tell me he's not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 15:38:16 GMT -5
I don't hate reigns. I nothing him. Something I think would help his cause..... change his gear. He's been doing the swat gear since his debut. Seth and dean both changed and Roman is still rockin the SHIELD gimmick. I think a refresh would help him a lot. Plus he's the heel in this feud with Rusev, you can't tell me he's not. I agree, also he still uses the shield's music. I hate the fist cocking thing, and his spear. Batistas gone so use the Dave bomb.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 28, 2016 15:40:54 GMT -5
Roman just reeks of staleness. Like others said above, he has the same old Shield look, the same old Shield theme song, same old Shield hairstyle, everything about Roman's look screams 2012 - 2014.
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Post by J12 on Oct 28, 2016 15:43:04 GMT -5
This topic comes about at least once every couple of weeks at this point.
Roman Reigns has developed into a really entertaining worker, he's just horribly miscast. He should be exactly where he is - at the top of the card, as a heel. It's conducive to his personality, his look, and his demeanor. He's a terrible babyface, he's never been effective, and that isn't going to change any time soon. CM Punk dealt him a heavy blow, then he followed it up by sticking his foot in his mouth several times during public appearances. People don't forget that, and he's never shown any self-awareness or understanding as to why people could dislike him.
I've said this a dozen or more times, but I believe a monster heel Roman Reigns is a legitimate difference maker for them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 15:45:37 GMT -5
He has improved on the mic, and in the ring. People say that he was pushed down our throats, but he was pushed the same as a lot of the best in wwe. So why do people hate reigns? Is it just the "cool" thing to do? Also imo he would be better as a heel. He has not improved on the mic. He was absolutely pushed down our throats and was not treated the same as others in WWE. He was given too many good opportunities without proving himself and not being deserving. I hate him because he was not deserving of his Post-Shield run. Had he not been suspended for 30 days I think he would have continued on that path. I will say he does have good matches with the right people, but he's certainly not one of those people who can go out there and pull good matches from his opponent. He's one of those people who need his opponent to pull a good match from him.
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Post by Sizzle on Oct 28, 2016 16:05:31 GMT -5
No one complained at all when Balor won a world title match in his first day on the main roster... But were furious because Roman Reigns was being groomed to be a main event star. That makes NO sense to me. Reigns took from what, 2012 all the way to 2015 to become WWE Champion (lets not forget he immediately lost the title)? Plus all the time in NXT/FCW. Which was longer then Balor spent in NXT. I am not counting indies/NJPW, strictly WWE.
Btw this is coming from a guy who is a huge fan of Balor.
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Post by Revy on Oct 28, 2016 16:24:49 GMT -5
No one complained at all when Balor won a world title match in his first day on the main roster... But were furious because Roman Reigns was being groomed to be a main event star. That makes NO sense to me. Reigns took from what, 2012 all the way to 2015 to become WWE Champion (lets not forget he immediately lost the title)? Plus all the time in NXT/FCW. Which was longer then Balor spent in NXT. I am not counting indies/NJPW, strictly WWE. Btw this is coming from a guy who is a huge fan of Balor. Devitt is hotter. Haha I get what you are saying, but also, it was different. It was new and fans got a sense there was a big change coming to the product. Also, Reigns has been hurt by situations that creative has dealt him. Kinda like Batistas return. People were hyped when he came back, but they wanted the role that he was put in go to Bryan. Not Dave's fault at all. Creative has gotten to where they try to force people to like someone instead of letting them do it naturally. People don't like to be told what to like.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Oct 28, 2016 16:34:25 GMT -5
People complaining about him using the Shield gimmick must know nothing about Bret Hart. He didn't exactly evolve from the Hart Foundation and that didn't stop him becoming a mega star.
As for the hate I honestly think it's due to internet. It's cool to hate Reigns and people read forums and sites so jump on the bandwagon. If this was the 80's or 90's there wouldn't be a single boo from the crowd.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Oct 28, 2016 16:38:42 GMT -5
Roman just reeks of staleness. Like others said above, he has the same old Shield look, the same old Shield theme song, same old Shield hairstyle, everything about Roman's look screams 2012 - 2014. 2014 was only 2 years ago, not a life time ago lol. Besides I loved The Shield so it's nice to see Roman keeping the gimmick going because it's a little reminder of the great group we once had.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Oct 28, 2016 16:40:46 GMT -5
Roman just reeks of staleness. Like others said above, he has the same old Shield look, the same old Shield theme song, same old Shield hairstyle, everything about Roman's look screams 2012 - 2014. 2014 was only 2 years ago, not a life time ago lol. Besides I loved The Shield so it's nice to see Roman keeping the gimmick going because it's a little reminder of the great group we once had. Its the best way for him to remain stale. Look what happened to Marty Jannetty. Shawn and him broke up, Shawn changed his look, and excelled. Marty still used the Rockers theme, wore the Rockers tights, and was seen as just some old relic from that tag team. Roman could at least wear tights now. Dawn the Shield look when he teams back up with Seth or something.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 28, 2016 16:47:58 GMT -5
So why do people hate reigns? Is it just the "cool" thing to do? Yes. People will come up with bad excuses for it, like in the run up to WrestleMania 31 it was the "HE'S ONLY BEEN ON THE ROSTER FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, HE HASN'T BEEN ON THE ROSTER LONG ENOUGH TO BE ALLOWED TO WIN THE BELT" thing. Yet the same people were happy for Seth Rollins (debuted same night as Reigns), Kevin Owens (won the belt just over a year in), Finn Balor (won the belt on his first PPV) etc to be champion. Or complaining that he uses the same signature moves in every match, like every other wrestler does. Or that he's a bad promo, because the Internet definitely doesn't support pushing guys who are bad promos. Pretty much every criticism someone will give for why they dislike Roman Reigns shows them to be a hypocrite when that criteria is applied to a wrestler they like, which is inevitable because These Damn Millennials all have big flaws in at least one area. It's basically just the John Cena thing again, it's trendy to hate on Roman Reigns. But the big problem Reigns has as a babyface is the same problem Kevin Owens has getting over as a heel -- the current crop of guys aren't really showing much ability to connect with normal people. With Cena, it was fine for us to be booing him because normal people were still buying tickets and t-shirts etc. But Reigns, Ambrose, Rollins, Wyatt, Styles and co aren't clicking on the level that Cena, Batista and Orton did. They're great for those of us who are already watching, but they're not pulling in anyone new. Even Cena himself has lost some significant drawing power with his absences and all the losses he's taken over the last couple of years. Roman Reigns doesn't have the same ability to draw money that John Cena does/did, but the great thing they do share is the rare ability to create a big fight atmosphere in the current era. When WWE has lost its way in appealing to normal people and it's mostly us Internet fans attending the big shows, the only way they can really get us invested (apart from booking legendary part-timers) is by having John Cena or Roman Reigns versus an Internet darling. If a PPV is Seth Rollins vs Kevin Owens, there's a bit of a "meh" factor to it because there's nothing to get upset about if one of them loses, and thus nothing to get really excited about if one of them wins. But if it's Roman Reigns beating Kevin Owens or Seth Rollins, that's cause for a meltdown. If it's Seth Rollins or Kevin Owens beating Roman Reigns, that's cause for a huge celebration. So until they figure out how to get normals invested, or at the very least how to get us to care about something in a way that isn't just "If Cena wins we riot" then they'll keep needing Cena and Reigns to create the big fight feel.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Oct 28, 2016 16:57:38 GMT -5
No one has ever disputed his in-ring skill.
It's his character that's the problem.
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Post by ellisd on Oct 28, 2016 17:07:47 GMT -5
In my opinion Roman reigns is a good wrestler. He has had good matches with... Aj styles Brock lesnar Seth rollins Daniel bryan Triple h And even big show. He has improved on the mic, and in the ring. People say that he was pushed down our throats, but he was pushed the same as a lot of the best in wwe. So why do people hate reigns? Is it just the "cool" thing to do? Also imo he would be better as a heel. I think its just the "cool" thing to do. He's not the best, but he's nowhere near as bad as people complain about him being. No one complained at all when Balor won a world title match in his first day on the main roster... But were furious because Roman Reigns was being groomed to be a main event star. That makes NO sense to me. Reigns took from what, 2012 all the way to 2015 to become WWE Champion (lets not forget he immediately lost the title)? Plus all the time in NXT/FCW. Which was longer then Balor spent in NXT. I am not counting indies/NJPW, strictly WWE. Btw this is coming from a guy who is a huge fan of Balor. Great example, I fully agree. So why do people hate reigns? Is it just the "cool" thing to do? Yes. People will come up with bad excuses for it, like in the run up to WrestleMania 31 it was the "HE'S ONLY BEEN ON THE ROSTER FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, HE HASN'T BEEN ON THE ROSTER LONG ENOUGH TO BE ALLOWED TO WIN THE BELT" thing. Yet the same people were happy for Seth Rollins (debuted same night as Reigns), Kevin Owens (won the belt just over a year in), Finn Balor (won the belt on his first PPV) etc to be champion. Or complaining that he uses the same signature moves in every match, like every other wrestler does. Or that he's a bad promo, because the Internet definitely doesn't support pushing guys who are bad promos. Pretty much every criticism someone will give for why they dislike Roman Reigns shows them to be a hypocrite when that criteria is applied to a wrestler they like, which is inevitable because These Damn Millennials all have big flaws in at least one area. It's basically just the John Cena thing again, it's trendy to hate on Roman Reigns. But the big problem Reigns has as a babyface is the same problem Kevin Owens has getting over as a heel -- the current crop of guys aren't really showing much ability to connect with normal people. With Cena, it was fine for us to be booing him because normal people were still buying tickets and t-shirts etc. But Reigns, Ambrose, Rollins, Wyatt, Styles and co aren't clicking on the level that Cena, Batista and Orton did. They're great for those of us who are already watching, but they're not pulling in anyone new. Even Cena himself has lost some significant drawing power with his absences and all the losses he's taken over the last couple of years. Roman Reigns doesn't have the same ability to draw money that John Cena does/did, but the great thing they do share is the rare ability to create a big fight atmosphere in the current era. When WWE has lost its way in appealing to normal people and it's mostly us Internet fans attending the big shows, the only way they can really get us invested (apart from booking legendary part-timers) is by having John Cena or Roman Reigns versus an Internet darling. If a PPV is Seth Rollins vs Kevin Owens, there's a bit of a "meh" factor to it because there's nothing to get upset about if one of them loses, and thus nothing to get really excited about if one of them wins. But if it's Roman Reigns beating Kevin Owens or Seth Rollins, that's cause for a meltdown. If it's Seth Rollins or Kevin Owens beating Roman Reigns, that's cause for a huge celebration. So until they figure out how to get normals invested, or at the very least how to get us to care about something in a way that isn't just "If Cena wins we riot" then they'll keep needing Cena and Reigns to create the big fight feel. Exactly. As for the hate I honestly think it's due to internet. It's cool to hate Reigns and people read forums and sites so jump on the bandwagon. If this was the 80's or 90's there wouldn't be a single boo from the crowd. I agree with that too. The internet does have a lot to do with it. Its a new age now, people cheer for the bad guys and booo the good guys. I think its fine to like whomever you want, but in a business that at its core is about story telling good vs bad guy (even during the Attitude Era when it was 'shades of gray', you still knew the faces from the heels) it confuses things when people are booing the good guys and cheering the bad guys. Then you get an occurrence where they pick someone to portray the big 'good guy' in a storyline, and you hear "They're trying to tell us who to like" or "They forcing him down our throats " if its not one of their guys.
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Post by marino13 on Oct 28, 2016 17:35:18 GMT -5
I honestly have no issues with Roman. Dude entertains me. Sometimes I do think he should go heel, but I'm a fan regardless.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 20:03:55 GMT -5
Any one still wondering why Roman is hated. watch the match he had tonight and you will get it.
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Post by k5 on Oct 30, 2016 21:12:52 GMT -5
yeah, stupid fans. thinking that what they think is cool or not should have an impact on the product they spend time and money on. last i checked ever since they (wwe) began notably going against what the audience thought was cool or not their popularity has plummeted. shocking i know!
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Post by hbkowns on Oct 31, 2016 1:01:05 GMT -5
He's a decent performer that still has a lot of potential. I give him mad props for being consistent. But I think he's a great example of somebody who's way behind his time.
If Reigns broke in sometime between 2002-2007 he'd be huge. He'd be tailor made to be a huge star in that era. Yeah he's a decent performer but there are amazing performers that are way ahead of him in every aspect, and there's no reason to have Reigns ahead of guys like Rollins, Owens, Zayn, Styles, etc. he's just not on that level in my eyes. His current position should have been where he should have been when the shield initially split.
With the current character of Reigns and how he's connected with the audience, there's no way he can be the company's leading man, ESPECIALLY in a babyface role. The only way he can thrive in the current product is with a well thought out heel turn. Then down the line see where that takes him.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Oct 31, 2016 1:13:44 GMT -5
In my opinion Roman reigns is a good wrestler. He has had good matches with... Aj styles Brock lesnar Seth rollins Daniel bryanTriple h And even big show. He has improved on the mic, and in the ring. People say that he was pushed down our throats, but he was pushed the same as a lot of the best in wwe. So why do people hate reigns? Is it just the "cool" thing to do? Also imo he would be better as a heel. Lol saying he's had good matches with 3 of the best workers on the roster shouldn't be viewed as praise worthy. Those 3 in bold pretty much have to go out of their way to have a bad match with someone. I personally have no specific issue with Reigns, I've just grown apathetic towards him. I know he's the guy that WWE wants (wanted) to build the future around and no matter how much complaining there is online it's not going to change. He's fine in the ring, he does some cool stuff but he's just given me nothing to like or care about him either. Just because the WWE books him as a face doesn't mean I have to like the guy or what he does. His feud with Rusev has done more harm to Rusev than Rusev's feud with Cena did. At least Rusev got a win over Cena. The failed drug test also did Roman absolutely no favours. You can go on twitter and put out an apology all you want, you're not going to win back some of those fans.
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