stoptheclocks
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Post by stoptheclocks on Nov 3, 2016 14:46:59 GMT -5
Is anyone else worried this crap is about to hit the fan big time ?  I'm feeling really uneasy right now. |
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Post by k5 on Nov 3, 2016 15:07:42 GMT -5
neither country wants war, but the usa has no business being in syria to begin with.
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Post by Adam on Nov 3, 2016 17:49:00 GMT -5
neither country wants war, but the usa has no business being in syria to begin with. |
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Post by slappy on Nov 3, 2016 18:03:57 GMT -5
It's not really a Russia-Syria conflict. It's a Russia and Syria fight the bad people in Syria conflict.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Nov 3, 2016 19:25:54 GMT -5
It's not really a Russia-Syria conflict. It's a Russia and Syria fight the bad people in Syria conflict. Russia and the Syrian government are the bad people. |
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Post by slappy on Nov 3, 2016 19:31:21 GMT -5
It's not really a Russia-Syria conflict. It's a Russia and Syria fight the bad people in Syria conflict. Russia and the Syrian government are the bad people. One of the groups they are fighting is ISIS. I wouldn't say the people fighting ISIS are bad. |
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Post by Word™ on Nov 3, 2016 20:50:38 GMT -5
Is anyone else worried this crap is about to hit the fan big time ? I'm feeling really uneasy right now. Yes I am.. We're on the brink of WW3. |
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Post by Gone. on Nov 3, 2016 20:53:21 GMT -5
Must we all constantly be reminded this is a forum for children's toys?
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Post by slappy on Nov 3, 2016 21:02:11 GMT -5
One of the groups they are fighting is ISIS. I wouldn't say the people fighting ISIS are bad. This is what the Syrian government is going, aided by Trump's buddy in Russia. They're gassing civilians; decimating neighborhoods; murdering children. This is what you support. ISIS is doing terrible things all over the world. I wouldn't be cheering them on. The US is arming and funding rebels and we don't even know who they really are. Syria needs to get back to how it was before the civil war. A possible President Clinton would only destabilize it further like she has done in other countries that have ousted their leaders (Libya for example). |
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 3, 2016 21:14:02 GMT -5
Must we all constantly be reminded this is a forum for children's toys? There are also just as many adults on here. It's a valid discussion, same as the Presidential thread. And there are teens who are just as invested. So long as the discussion is kept civil, no issues. But the latter usually goes downhill quickly so... |
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Post by slappy on Nov 3, 2016 21:17:43 GMT -5
Must we all constantly be reminded this is a forum for children's toys? There are also just as many adults on here. It's a valid discussion, same as the Presidential thread. And there are teens who are just as invested. So long as the discussion is kept civil, no issues. But the latter usually goes downhill quickly so... Politics and the internet? What could possibly go wrong? |
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 3, 2016 21:26:59 GMT -5
This is what the Syrian government is going, aided by Trump's buddy in Russia. They're gassing civilians; decimating neighborhoods; murdering children. This is what you support. ISIS is doing terrible things all over the world. I wouldn't be cheering them on. The US is arming and funding rebels and we don't even know who they really are. Syria needs to get back to how it was before the civil war. A possible President Clinton would only destabilize it further like she has done in other countries that have ousted their leaders (Libya for example). You must have Trump on a recording loop on your iPhone, slappy. Are you wrong? Absolutely not, on most of the accounts you said. ISIS is terrible. They need exterminated by all means necessary. Assad, however, is a monster who has no business on this earth anymore. There's proof positive that he's used chemical weapons, which is literally one of the very few things all members of the Security Council agree on cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. The issue with the rebels is valid, we don't know if when Assad falls and a rebel rises to power what kind of person they will be. But as it stands, literally everyone is fighting ISIS at this point (or in some countries, they're saying they're doing so). They are the main enemy. But to say Syria needs to return to the way it was prior to the war is unfathomable. There's no way to know who will come to power but what we know for now is Assad is a monster. Clinton, Trump, Johnson, it does not matter at this point. The region is too unstable, but once ISIS is eradicated that opens avenues for stability. I do not like Putin, and Hillary has all but made her intentions known to be rid of him also. But I do not think Trump will be able to reign Putin's military complex in. He may consider himself a master negotiator and wants to be a friend, but what does President Trump do if Russia one day decides, what the hell, let's storm Warsaw? Trump won't be able to stop him when he does. Putin, right now, holds all of the cards. Deck will be stacked against all potential Presidents and it is lose lose regardless of what their foreign policy plans are. |
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mrassbillygunn
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 3, 2016 21:34:16 GMT -5
Nuke em all, just leave me alive. Give me a post apocalyptic world where I can walk amongst the ruins and raid the global toy factories.
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Post by slappy on Nov 3, 2016 21:45:07 GMT -5
ISIS is doing terrible things all over the world. I wouldn't be cheering them on. The US is arming and funding rebels and we don't even know who they really are. Syria needs to get back to how it was before the civil war. A possible President Clinton would only destabilize it further like she has done in other countries that have ousted their leaders (Libya for example). You must have Trump on a recording loop on your iPhone, slappy. Are you wrong? Absolutely not, on most of the accounts you said. ISIS is terrible. They need exterminated by all means necessary. Assad, however, is a monster who has no business on this earth anymore. There's proof positive that he's used chemical weapons, which is literally one of the very few things all members of the Security Council agree on cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. The issue with the rebels is valid, we don't know if when Assad falls and a rebel rises to power what kind of person they will be. But as it stands, literally everyone is fighting ISIS at this point (or in some countries, they're saying they're doing so). They are the main enemy. But to say Syria needs to return to the way it was prior to the war is unfathomable. There's no way to know who will come to power but what we know for now is Assad is a monster. Clinton, Trump, Johnson, it does not matter at this point. The region is too unstable, but once ISIS is eradicated that opens avenues for stability. I do not like Putin, and Hillary has all but made her intentions known to be rid of him also. But I do not think Trump will be able to reign Putin's military complex in. He may consider himself a master negotiator and wants to be a friend, but what does President Trump do if Russia one day decides, what the hell, let's storm Warsaw? Trump won't be able to stop him when he does. Putin, right now, holds all of the cards. Deck will be stacked against all potential Presidents and it is lose lose regardless of what their foreign policy plans are. Agreed, ISIS must be taken out. Obama said chemical weapons is the red line but then did nothing about it. The person could be worse than Assad and then we'd have to take them out too. The US can't install our chosen person in there because that did nothing to help Afghanistan or Iraq. What I meant by getting Syria to the way it was prior to the war I meant stuff like getting the refugees to return home. I don't know what would Trump would do if Russia decides to invade Europe but I do know that Hillary would like to go to war with Russia before Putin goes to bed the night she's inaugurated. |
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 3, 2016 22:06:07 GMT -5
You must have Trump on a recording loop on your iPhone, slappy. Are you wrong? Absolutely not, on most of the accounts you said. ISIS is terrible. They need exterminated by all means necessary. Assad, however, is a monster who has no business on this earth anymore. There's proof positive that he's used chemical weapons, which is literally one of the very few things all members of the Security Council agree on cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. The issue with the rebels is valid, we don't know if when Assad falls and a rebel rises to power what kind of person they will be. But as it stands, literally everyone is fighting ISIS at this point (or in some countries, they're saying they're doing so). They are the main enemy. But to say Syria needs to return to the way it was prior to the war is unfathomable. There's no way to know who will come to power but what we know for now is Assad is a monster. Clinton, Trump, Johnson, it does not matter at this point. The region is too unstable, but once ISIS is eradicated that opens avenues for stability. I do not like Putin, and Hillary has all but made her intentions known to be rid of him also. But I do not think Trump will be able to reign Putin's military complex in. He may consider himself a master negotiator and wants to be a friend, but what does President Trump do if Russia one day decides, what the hell, let's storm Warsaw? Trump won't be able to stop him when he does. Putin, right now, holds all of the cards. Deck will be stacked against all potential Presidents and it is lose lose regardless of what their foreign policy plans are. Agreed, ISIS must be taken out. Obama said chemical weapons is the red line but then did nothing about it. The person could be worse than Assad and then we'd have to take them out too. The US can't install our chosen person in there because that did nothing to help Afghanistan or Iraq. What I meant by getting Syria to the way it was prior to the war I meant stuff like getting the refugees to return home. I don't know what would Trump would do if Russia decides to invade Europe but I do know that Hillary would like to go to war with Russia before Putin goes to bed the night she's inaugurated. If Obama would have intervened "personally" after Assad used the chem weapons, it would have been a violation of the security council because Russia would have vetoed any direct military action, and it only takes one veto from any of the five. Direct violation would have resulted in a catastrophe for the US. Economically, Russia and any of its allies whom the US owes money to could have called in their debts and crashed our economy. Russia could have declared war against the United States, or supported Syria in a declaration of war putting the Security Council at odds, because they couldn't very well stay out of it, not even China, especially if Russia called in its debts and declared war on the US, China would be forced to aid the United States to secure their own economy and the UN would have crumpled. That's why nothing was done. You know that. Don't try to blame a "weak President" on not acting because of the ramifications since Russia would have pretended Syria did no such thing. Assad's successor is a gamble the world, unfortunately, has to take. These people are fighting to overthrow him and to be free. Optimism has to be assumed at some point, even in this horrendous environment. Send the refugees back home while Assad is still in charge? Yeah. Because we need millions of innocents killed. Might not burden your conscious but it certainly would anyone with compassion and sympathy. I'm not saying you lack either, but the way you said it makes it sound it. Please prove me wrong on this. And come on. Hillary wants war with Putin, but she's not an idiot despite your likely opinion. If her hand is forced by the UN to not enact a no fly zone and she does, see above what I said about Obama if he acted on his own regarding the Security Council. The world will turn on her, and she will be gone unless her actions come after provocation. As for Trump, he literally would have no clue what to do if Russia moved into Europe like Putin clearly wants. Maybe his foreign policy advisers would be able to tell him how to act, but that would require him to check his ego at the door of the Oval Office, which I do not think he will be capable of doing. He's hasn't proved he is capable of doing so yet. So he apologized for things he said, if you believe they're any more sincere than Hillary's anything, I've got a bridge to sell you. |
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Nov 3, 2016 23:28:14 GMT -5
if clinton wouldnt have sold 20% of the US uranium to Russia and then lie about them theyd probably not hate us as much right now
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mrassbillygunn
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 4, 2016 0:04:59 GMT -5
ISIS is doing terrible things all over the world. I wouldn't be cheering them on. The US is arming and funding rebels and we don't even know who they really are. Syria needs to get back to how it was before the civil war. A possible President Clinton would only destabilize it further like she has done in other countries that have ousted their leaders (Libya for example). You must have Trump on a recording loop on your iPhone, slappy. Are you wrong? Absolutely not, on most of the accounts you said. ISIS is terrible. They need exterminated by all means necessary. Assad, however, is a monster who has no business on this earth anymore. There's proof positive that he's used chemical weapons, which is literally one of the very few things all members of the Security Council agree on cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. The issue with the rebels is valid, we don't know if when Assad falls and a rebel rises to power what kind of person they will be. But as it stands, literally everyone is fighting ISIS at this point (or in some countries, they're saying they're doing so). They are the main enemy. But to say Syria needs to return to the way it was prior to the war is unfathomable. There's no way to know who will come to power but what we know for now is Assad is a monster. Clinton, Trump, Johnson, it does not matter at this point. The region is too unstable, but once ISIS is eradicated that opens avenues for stability. I do not like Putin, and Hillary has all but made her intentions known to be rid of him also. But I do not think Trump will be able to reign Putin's military complex in. He may consider himself a master negotiator and wants to be a friend, but what does President Trump do if Russia one day decides, what the hell, let's storm Warsaw? Trump won't be able to stop him when he does. Putin, right now, holds all of the cards. Deck will be stacked against all potential Presidents and it is lose lose regardless of what their foreign policy plans are. Not that im disagreeing with you, but where is the proof the Assad regime used the chemical weapons? Id like to learn more. |
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 4, 2016 1:04:36 GMT -5
You must have Trump on a recording loop on your iPhone, slappy. Are you wrong? Absolutely not, on most of the accounts you said. ISIS is terrible. They need exterminated by all means necessary. Assad, however, is a monster who has no business on this earth anymore. There's proof positive that he's used chemical weapons, which is literally one of the very few things all members of the Security Council agree on cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. The issue with the rebels is valid, we don't know if when Assad falls and a rebel rises to power what kind of person they will be. But as it stands, literally everyone is fighting ISIS at this point (or in some countries, they're saying they're doing so). They are the main enemy. But to say Syria needs to return to the way it was prior to the war is unfathomable. There's no way to know who will come to power but what we know for now is Assad is a monster. Clinton, Trump, Johnson, it does not matter at this point. The region is too unstable, but once ISIS is eradicated that opens avenues for stability. I do not like Putin, and Hillary has all but made her intentions known to be rid of him also. But I do not think Trump will be able to reign Putin's military complex in. He may consider himself a master negotiator and wants to be a friend, but what does President Trump do if Russia one day decides, what the hell, let's storm Warsaw? Trump won't be able to stop him when he does. Putin, right now, holds all of the cards. Deck will be stacked against all potential Presidents and it is lose lose regardless of what their foreign policy plans are. Not that im disagreeing with you, but where is the proof the Assad regime used the chemical weapons? Id like to learn more. Also proof on Al Jazeera, a more reputable source, they have a more in depth look at why nothing has been done about Assad: Russia doesn't believe the rest of the world's investigators and said they would veto any action against him by the UN. |
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Post by Darkhawk on Nov 4, 2016 1:05:14 GMT -5
You guys realize getting rid of ISIS is almost impossible, it's like saying getting rid of all Christians in the U.S.
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Post by bad guy™ on Nov 4, 2016 1:11:32 GMT -5
You guys realize getting rid of ISIS is almost impossible, it's like saying getting rid of all Christians in the U.S. Perhaps. But it's one of the few times where pretty much the entire world, minus a few nations, are on the same page. Just a difference in tactics and involvement. They're the largest international threat, and when the world agrees on something, that's something. |
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