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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Jan 12, 2017 8:54:57 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with this statement. They literally could put him with any wrestler or type of character and he would make it awesome. Hell he was tremendous on commentary as well. Had he not died in that accident he would be first-ballot hall-of-famer like literally he had done everything you could do was going to win the Intercontinental Championship again albeit as the blue blazer but everyone knew it was Owen... and who's to say that that run with the IC belt wouldn't have been iconic because of the way he could portray any character... I compared him to Cody Rhodes in the ring Cody was amazing on the mic Cody was amazing any gimmick they put on Cody Cody made work... The same can be said about Owen and had he not died the potential matches he could have had in the future would have been crazy...
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Post by bababooey on Jan 12, 2017 8:57:02 GMT -5
Bret is my favorite wrestler but I feel like his presence on the roster held Owen back. Owen came around just a bit after Bret was established so he was always in Bret's shadow. He didn't get the main event storylines really, but he was certainly not over hyped. The guy could do anything.
When Bret left, common sense would have booked him against HBK but there was probably some backstage stuff involved so he got put against Triple H. I could be wrong but I think there were some contract related things where he could have been on his way to WCW within a year or something.
I compare Owen to Jericho though. You could fit him into any spot and it would be gold. Guy was hilarious and he could wrestle circles around anyone on the roster.
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Post by CampCornette on Jan 12, 2017 9:11:01 GMT -5
I'm going to take a hard line and somewhat agree with @alias. I don't think anyone including him is saying Owen wasn't a great worker, technician and was somewhat held back by Bret being the star he was. BUT... Owen only sniffed the main event due to his feud with Bret being at arguably the all time low for business in Wwf and the fact that the feud was based around their family. I think if he was this world class draw or main event caliber talent that everyone remembers him as he would have been a main stay in the top of the card and Vince would have found a way to get him over. He was a good hand, a great hand and a great guy based on what you hear about him but he was never a true anything really. The shows he main evented were entirely because of Bret. He broke Austins neck, his championship accomplishments are similar to Dlo Brown or even Tito Santana. 2 ic titles and 4 tag titles and a king of the ring. I remember someone saying on here years ago that if he would have lived through the attitude era he would have been a multiple time world champion. Absolutely false. If he didn't win it in 94 at his peak of being legitimate and over as a heel he would not have been main eventing ppvs with Angle Austin Rock etc. Sad but true
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jan 12, 2017 9:12:23 GMT -5
Owen was easily WWE's best hand. For me, his best run was his feud with Bret. Their cage match is still my all time favorite.
For the record, the word overrated is overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 9:15:41 GMT -5
Nope. I've been accused many times of being a fan of Owen because he died. I've been a big fan of Owen since '93 when he had the falling out with Bret. I honestly felt (and still do) that he was a better athlete and technical wrestler than Bret, and I took his side in that feud just like I took Macho's side against Hogan. My love of Owen was solidified when he totally shocked me by beating Bret at WMX and left me cheering while my friends and family had to pick their chin up off the floor. In the years to come, Owen continued to get better as a performer. His tag team with Davey Boy and constant ego stroking with Slammy Awards was gold. I wasn't watching the WWF much when Owen died, but I cried when I heard that he died. It was the first wrestler death that really hurt.
So, is Owen overrated? No. He was a great talent. If anything, he was underrated.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Jan 12, 2017 9:17:14 GMT -5
One day, it will happen and I do believe that Bill will be the one that brings it to us. After managing to do what seemed impossible for Jakks to do by releasing Macho Man and Ricky Steamboat figures, it would not shock me at all if Bill manages to make an Owen.
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Post by mrhoss on Jan 12, 2017 9:18:20 GMT -5
In Mattel's early days, I felt some of the demand was due to the notoriety of his death. It seemed like there was a disproportionate push for Owen at the time, especially when there was a large number of equally good or better wrestlers without figures. Now, Owen has to be near the top and is becoming a glaring omission.
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Post by PJ on Jan 12, 2017 9:26:00 GMT -5
As good of a worker that he was I never felt Owen would be a world champion. I saw him as an Intercontinental, European or Tag Team champion, but I never have pictured him being the WWE Champion. That said as far a figures go...I would probably buy him if Martha ever signed off on a figure, but if she doesn't I won't be upset.
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Post by Professor Sparlin on Jan 12, 2017 9:49:47 GMT -5
Coming from someone who grew up watching him, I always like Owen Hart. I thought he was going to become a wWE Champion after Bret left, but WWE did everything they could to tarnish the Hart name. The remaining cliq members unwillingness to put anyone over at the time didn't help too. Then they stick Owen with Double J, another person WWE didn't like. They won tag team gold, but neither stars were built as top attractions.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jan 12, 2017 9:56:10 GMT -5
I don't think Owen is overrated. He is just properly rated in my view. Hall of fame talent no question and I would love a figure of him in my collection
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Post by Chody Rhodes on Jan 12, 2017 10:02:06 GMT -5
I think he's slightly overrated. He was no doubt great and ONE OF the best ever, but he was not the greatest of all time like some people make him out to be.
As far as a figure goes, I would buy one and he is highly deserving of one but I'm not dying for it. I can easily name 15 guys off the top of my head who I'd take before him.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 12, 2017 10:05:20 GMT -5
I loved Owen. Considerably more than Bret. He was a more well rounded worker, a way better talker, and a much better character that constantly evolved. Owen was really the very first guy that caught my attention the night that I started watching Raw a couple of weeks prior to Rumble 94, which turned into me watching every week for more than 20 years. His 1994 was amazing, and he contributed to some of my very favorite memories as a young wrestling fan over the next 5ish years, memories that will stay with me forever. I truly, wholeheartedly, believe that he should have been WWF Champion from Survivor Series 1994 until Royal Rumble 1995.
That's neither here nor there though. Owen was the best heel of the entire New Generation. How do you not want a figure of him? Not to mention, at a minimum, we have 4 of the 5 members of the Hart Foundation, even though Anvil is a stand in until we get a 97 version with jacket, and we need to complete them. If you were to compile a list of the best tag teams of the 90s, Owen would be on the list twice, at the very top of it with Bulldog and then further down with Yokozuna. So Owen is a glaring omission in a number of figure related situations for collectors.
You argue that his death glorified his ability. I'd argue his death motivated people to go back and look at his work and watch his career, making it ever apparent how damn good he was at everything inside that ring. It's completely subjective, you're allowed to not like Owen, but I don't think it's necessary to try and belittle the passion that others have for him. Not every figure is for every fan and collector. Goldberg should be a very in-demand figure, but I thought he largely sucked in WCW, and he was even worse in WWE. I was never a Hogan fan. Doesn't mean those guys don't deserve plenty of figures or that they were over rated. It just means they weren't for me.
All that being said, and as in-demand as an Owen figure seems to be, I don't believe that it's ever going to happen. Martha isn't ever going to forgive WWE imo. We could be 50 years from seeing Owen's legacy controlled by either one of his kids, and even then there is no guarantee they want to work with WWE either, or that WWE, or the bulk of the fans, would still care at that point. I'm honestly incredibly grateful we got the Blu-ray for him. I just don't think it's very realistic to maintain hope that he'll ever happen at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 10:16:55 GMT -5
I loved Owen. Considerably more than Bret. He was a more well rounded worker, a way better talker, and a much better character that constantly evolved. I think this really sums it up for me. Owen could do everything that Bret could do, but Bret couldn't do everything that Owen could do. The only thing Bret had over Owen was looks and maybe a better voice for a heroic character.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 10:18:23 GMT -5
I read a very interesting piece about JFK and the effect of an untimely death. We tend to look at someone's POTENTIAL and project that onto their legacy rather than merely measuring them for what was actually accomplished. Some have even it said it here: "had he lived he'd be a first ballot hall of famer." Truth is, we don't know that at all, nor can we ever know that. He had the potential IF he continued to work hard, IF he got the right push and the right time, etc. The fact is, he was DEMOTED to the Blue Blazer just before his death. (I know the reason why.) That doesn't sound like a career on the right track.
I do agree he was a great in-ring performer, but Hulk Hogan wasn't a great performer. Yet, would anyone be taken seriously if they said Owen was greater for wrestling than Hogan? I don't think so, because wrestling is more than what happens in matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 10:32:16 GMT -5
I read a very interesting piece about JFK and the effect of an untimely death. We tend to look at someone's POTENTIAL and project that onto their legacy rather than merely measuring them for what was actually accomplished. Some have even it said it here: "had he lived he'd be a first ballot hall of famer." Truth is, we don't know that at all, nor can we ever know that. He had the potential IF he continued to work hard, IF he got the right push and the right time, etc. The fact is, he was DEMOTED to the Blue Blazer just before his death. (I know the reason why.) That doesn't sound like a career on the right track. I do agree he was a great in-ring performer, but Hulk Hogan wasn't a great performer. Yet, would anyone be taken seriously if they said Owen was greater for wrestling than Hogan? I don't think so, because wrestling is more than what happens in matches. See, I think Hulk Hogan was a great performer... one of the best. I don't think that when someone says "Owen was a great performer" that it necessarily just means that Owen was a great athlete, technical wrestler, etc. We're grading on the wrestling curve, here. Owen was a great performer in the same way that Hogan was a great performer, which means he was entertaining as hell. If I were only to grade Owen on his talent for fake fighting, I would have to put guys like Mike Graham and Dory Funk Jr. on the same level, but I don't because those guys weren't half as well rounded or entertaining as Owen Hart. I don't really care what he "accomplished" in terms of title belts and main event pushes or even if he goes in the stupid Hall of Fame. I only care that he always entertained me.
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Post by wayneyb on Jan 12, 2017 10:35:32 GMT -5
Wasn't Owen supposed to be given 'The Game' gimmick/moniker that Triple H eventually took on?
Would have been interesting to see how that would have panned out for him, and also Triple H if he had never been 'The Game'
I would like an Owen figure but accept it isn't going to happen anytime soon
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 10:42:06 GMT -5
Owen > Bret
Now who's overrated?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 10:48:17 GMT -5
Owen was a different breed. He was agile for his size and great movement as a wrestler. Owen also had great promo skills, but didn't have a push opportunity in the WWF.
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Post by JDSFullmetal on Jan 12, 2017 10:51:53 GMT -5
The whole Hart family is overrated. If Owen hadn't died he would have continued to be a lower mid carder and be remembered in the same way Neidhart is today.
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Post by kev85hasbro on Jan 12, 2017 10:52:39 GMT -5
Owen Hart was to me one of the top guys in the WWF. He had everything, He had the mic skills, he could wrestle a broomstick if he had to. A true hard worker. Look at 1997 with the Slammys he carried around with him. A pointless gimmick which only Owen could work with. Definitely up there in the leagues of Macho Mans, Mr Perfects and Ted Dibiase league for me.
Hugely underated in my eyes a long the lines of Dynamite kid. Jericho, Benoit, Ambrose moulded there styles around these guys. Because they were that good.
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