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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 13:21:02 GMT -5
Uh, Owen was a main eventer. He main evented several PPVs. And if anything he's under rated. You could easily make a case for him being the greatest worker of all time. You can't be the greatest worker of all time without having carried a territory and also breaking a guys neck. Sure you can. Carrying a territory is equal parts political BS and talent. Owen was never bothered about the political crap.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 13:21:17 GMT -5
This whole thread was made to get everyone riled up. We all know the deal with Owen Hart. Hall of Fame - Figure - Happiness If you really cared you would change your profile name right now to "The3TimeSlammyAwardWinningKingofHartsKid" but since you won't I'm going to kick your leg outta your leg.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 13:27:18 GMT -5
Thank you for this I think the same never a big star in the mid tier like dlo brown and Val venis type characters. His gimmicks were trash to say the least and seems like he was only known for his family. Now I'm not saying he was a bad person or not a great athlete or anything, maybe just misused by wwe. But to each their own
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Jan 12, 2017 13:32:48 GMT -5
This whole thread was made to get everyone riled up. We all know the deal with Owen Hart. Hall of Fame - Figure - Happiness If you really cared you would change your profile name right now to "The3TimeSlammyAwardWinningKingofHartsKid" but since you won't I'm going to kick your leg outta your leg. "Kick your leg outta your leg"!?!? (Slowly starts driving away) lol You can use that name for yourself, Old Baby probably needs a change.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jan 12, 2017 13:45:39 GMT -5
I'm curious, is there anybody who watched his 2nd WWE stint all the way through and thinks he is overrated? Anybody see his stampede and Japan work and think he's overrated. I ask because i know that there are people on here younger than myself who quite possibly didn't live through his prime and have only seen a handful of his work. I really can't imagine anybody actually sitting thorough his career and thinking......meh.
Also some of you act like he didn't have a big run in the WWF. Just like Mr. Perfect and Rick Rude he literally did it all excpet win the world title. D'lo Brown and Val Venis had a year like his 1994? Hell they didn't even have a year like his 95,96, or 97. He main evented ppvs, held multiple titles and had more tv time in a year than some people will ever see.
On a side note, man i couldn't stand him from 1994-97 before him and Bret patched it up. Such a smarmy, arrogant, little......^%&*$
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Post by stc13 on Jan 12, 2017 14:06:17 GMT -5
I guess I can see both sides to some extent. Owen was definitely one of the better workers in the company (side note: I have no doubt Owen would have put on some all-time classics had he been in WCW in the mid-late 90's) and did some great heel character work. He carried teams Yoko and the Bulldog, and drew a lot of heat from the Slammy gimmick that 90% of wrestlers would have bombed.
He was a staple of the upper mid card from 93 until his death, so he's definitely a glaring omission in the figure line. I do think there has been some revisionist history by some that have overinflated some aspects of his career, but part of that I see as a countercurrent to fans who are frustrated that due to the relationship between Martha and WWE he's almost never mentioned.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jan 12, 2017 14:27:24 GMT -5
You're right, if he didn't die no his figure wouldn't be as in demand because we would of gotten plenty of them by now. So yeah you are right, but not in the way you think you are. Of course he's one of the most demanded figures. He had a great career and we haven't gotten a figure of him since the BCA days. At least with Goldberg, Angle, Shane, The Harry's, Steiners etc they got RA figures. I think you hit the nail on the head here. No-one is saying Owen was the GOAT - but he was a great wrestler and character and had some amazing matches and feuds... this coupled with the fact that he hasn't had any figures made of him since his death and you can see why he's one of the most in-demand figures out there.
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Post by warriorheart on Jan 12, 2017 14:59:07 GMT -5
I always liked him going back to his Stampede days. He seemed to take to wrestling very quickly where many take years and years. He just had it.
The problem is he was bogged down by a really bad gimmick in the Blue Blaze when he came to the WWF. Guys his size were just not pushed at that time unless they were in a tag team. That really where he should of went right away. With the right partner (not Koko or Anvil). I think he would of had a nice run.
His feud with Bret was really good, but that was a terrible time business wise. No fault to him. After that he just seemed to be a mid card act and I think he personally was fine with that.
He's fondly remembered because from all the stories he seemed to be a good guy that left us too soon. Could he have had a better in ring career? Sure, but for the most part was never booked well enough.
As far as a fig of him. That most likely will not happen. If it does it honestly would be high on my list anyway. He was a favorite. Just not a guy I would start collecting.
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Post by cmiller79 on Jan 12, 2017 15:37:02 GMT -5
What does all this have to do with Mattel???
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Post by Purple Reigns on Jan 12, 2017 15:42:50 GMT -5
Bret is my favorite wrestler but I feel like his presence on the roster held Owen back. Owen came around just a bit after Bret was established so he was always in Bret's shadow. He didn't get the main event storylines really, but he was certainly not over hyped. The guy could do anything. When Bret left, common sense would have booked him against HBK but there was probably some backstage stuff involved so he got put against Triple H. I could be wrong but I think there were some contract related things where he could have been on his way to WCW within a year or something. I compare Owen to Jericho though. You could fit him into any spot and it would be gold. Guy was hilarious and he could wrestle circles around anyone on the roster. From what I've heard, he hated how wrestling was at the time he'd died and was planning to retire once his once his contract was up.
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Post by cmiller79 on Jan 12, 2017 15:45:09 GMT -5
What does all this have to do with Mattel??? don't put pics of yourself all over the Internet
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 12, 2017 15:52:02 GMT -5
What does all this have to do with Mattel??? Because wanting a figure of someone somehow translates as overrating them. You know how a lot of us on here wanted that Koko B Ware figure? That meant the people who wanted him thought Koko was one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. Same when most of everyone on here were marking out when they saw Shockmaster revealed as the SDCC exclusive. Its because they were excited one of the biggest stars of WCW at that time was finally being made.
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Post by bababooey on Jan 12, 2017 15:54:52 GMT -5
Bret is my favorite wrestler but I feel like his presence on the roster held Owen back. Owen came around just a bit after Bret was established so he was always in Bret's shadow. He didn't get the main event storylines really, but he was certainly not over hyped. The guy could do anything. When Bret left, common sense would have booked him against HBK but there was probably some backstage stuff involved so he got put against Triple H. I could be wrong but I think there were some contract related things where he could have been on his way to WCW within a year or something. I compare Owen to Jericho though. You could fit him into any spot and it would be gold. Guy was hilarious and he could wrestle circles around anyone on the roster. From what I've heard, he hated how wrestling was at the time he'd died and was planning to retire once his once his contract was up. A little while prior to his death there was a storyline where he "retired" but he kept showing up in backstage shots and stuff if I remember right. I think it was like one of those "purposely accidental" things. Then he brought back the Blue Blazer gimmick with the intention that everyone knew it was Owen even though he denied it (Like Mr America). Then he and Jarrett switched off with the Blue Blazer gimmick with it occasionally being someone else. They were kinda having fun with the story.
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Post by MWFD on Jan 12, 2017 16:08:02 GMT -5
I understand what OP is saying and agree. Owen was a great in-ring worker, no doubt, and from all accounts, an even better human being and husband/father/friend. With that said, OP's point is well taken. He was only in the main event for a few months in '94 and although he is responsible for some great matches, his career was never quite on the level of Bret/Shawn/Undertaker of the time period. I do think his premature passing created a level of hype that, unfortunately, is the nature of the beast.
Owen was fantastic and deserved an even better spot on the card than he actually got, but I don't know that the hype for an Owen figure would be what it is had he not passed so young. That's not a bad thing though; just an observation.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 12, 2017 16:21:25 GMT -5
I understand what OP is saying and agree. Owen was a great in-ring worker, no doubt, and from all accounts, an even better human being and husband/father/friend. With that said, OP's point is well taken. He was only in the main event for a few months in '94 and although he is responsible for some great matches, his career was never quite on the level of Bret/Shawn/Undertaker of the time period. I do think his premature passing created a level of hype that, unfortunately, is the nature of the beast. Owen was fantastic and deserved an even better spot on the card than he actually got, but I don't know that the hype for an Owen figure would be what it is had he not passed so young. That's not a bad thing though; just an observation. But no one is saying he was on the same level of Bret/HBK/Taker. He's a guy that was remembered fondly and people want a figure of him. I don't think he's ever mentioned in anyone's conversations of top 10 all time wrestlers or even top 20. Andy Kaufman is my biggest want right now. That does not mean I think he is the greatest wrestler of all time.
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Post by adecw on Jan 12, 2017 16:23:38 GMT -5
that opening post was blasphemy
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Post by underoos on Jan 12, 2017 16:26:16 GMT -5
Owen Hart just like all the harts, are overrated
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Post by Johnny Mason on Jan 12, 2017 16:29:42 GMT -5
While I don't agree with the op, why do some people on this site think their opinions are facts?
You don't agree with me so you are wrong and stupid! Lol.
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Post by CampCornette on Jan 12, 2017 16:35:42 GMT -5
I understand what OP is saying and agree. Owen was a great in-ring worker, no doubt, and from all accounts, an even better human being and husband/father/friend. With that said, OP's point is well taken. He was only in the main event for a few months in '94 and although he is responsible for some great matches, his career was never quite on the level of Bret/Shawn/Undertaker of the time period. I do think his premature passing created a level of hype that, unfortunately, is the nature of the beast. Owen was fantastic and deserved an even better spot on the card than he actually got, but I don't know that the hype for an Owen figure would be what it is had he not passed so young. That's not a bad thing though; just an observation. But no one is saying he was on the same level of Bret/HBK/Taker. He's a guy that was remembered fondly and people want a figure of him. I don't think he's ever mentioned in anyone's conversations of top 10 all time wrestlers or even top 20. Andy Kaufman is my biggest want right now. That does not mean I think he is the greatest wrestler of all time. Tons of people said he's better than Bret and was equal to Shawn. Both false.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jan 12, 2017 16:45:55 GMT -5
But no one is saying he was on the same level of Bret/HBK/Taker. He's a guy that was remembered fondly and people want a figure of him. I don't think he's ever mentioned in anyone's conversations of top 10 all time wrestlers or even top 20. Andy Kaufman is my biggest want right now. That does not mean I think he is the greatest wrestler of all time. Tons of people said he's better than Bret and was equal to Shawn. Both false. Yeah, he doesn't rank up with them but I do think he did have the potential to be as great. If he had not died I think he woulda been a huge star in attitude. It was the era where you were given the opportunity to be yourself and let your personality shine. If Owen still had the passion and Vince didn't continue to hold him back, then he woulda stood out. Look at what he was doing with the Blue Blazer gimmick. He was Sandow before Sandow and turning chicken sh*t into chicken salad.
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