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Post by Mongo Bears on Jan 17, 2017 15:40:37 GMT -5
In my area stores sometimes I think the store employees are the scalpers This. I worked at toys r us a couple years ago for christmas. Whenever something i wanted came in, it never saw the shelf. Im not a scalper, i dont have the moeny to buy everything, but if i wamted it, nobodyelse stood a chance. I'm sure some store employees also get requests off duty from people they know to grab this stuff before it hits shelves
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 17:41:17 GMT -5
I agree with the people who don't like the term scalper. Mattel WWE figures don't sell for a premium on the secondary market. No one is buying them to "scalp" them because they wouldn't make any profit in doing so. You people may convince yourselves that its scalpers when you can't find stuff, but it's simply not the case and doesn't make sense. This isn't the days of Jakks Classic Superstars.
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Post by The Undisputed Future on Jan 17, 2017 19:33:50 GMT -5
With Elite 47A just releasing over here in the UK in Smyths, naturally AJ and Asuka are flying off the shelves for the most part.. predictably, there's been quite a few surfacing on a certain auction site with nearly half the price added on to the original retail price. Kind of bad seeing it, but suppose people will do anything for what comes to paltry amounts of profit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 23:02:28 GMT -5
I agree with the people who don't like the term scalper. Mattel WWE figures don't sell for a premium on the secondary market. No one is buying them to "scalp" them because they wouldn't make any profit in doing so. You people may convince yourselves that its scalpers when you can't find stuff, but it's simply not the case and doesn't make sense. This isn't the days of Jakks Classic Superstars. Tell that to the people that were selling the tnf 3 packs and singles at double the price. There is money in wwe figures, especially if they are hard to find at the moment.
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Post by brick on Jan 18, 2017 0:18:40 GMT -5
I agree with the people who don't like the term scalper. Mattel WWE figures don't sell for a premium on the secondary market. No one is buying them to "scalp" them because they wouldn't make any profit in doing so. You people may convince yourselves that its scalpers when you can't find stuff, but it's simply not the case and doesn't make sense. This isn't the days of Jakks Classic Superstars. Tell that to the people that were selling the tnf 3 packs and singles at double the price. There is money in wwe figures, especially if they are hard to find at the moment. I see this mindset a lot and it's obvious a lot of the people selling these items think it too but when you do the math, it just doesn't work out to that great of a score for the sellers. This isn't necessarily directed at you, just the idea that selling price is indicative of the money you actually get the keep. "Double the price" doesn't usually mean anything unless it's a high dollar item. Too many people seem to ignore that selling price and profit are two very different things. Double the price of an Elite is $40. OK, sounds cool. Looks really nice and attractive when you see that on eBay. But think about it: Fees on the bay are huge. I haven't looked in a while, but I think it was something like 10 percent of the selling price, maybe more if you do not have a "store" on there. PayPal is 4 percent of the total price. What's worse, it seems like more people are offering so called free shipping. Great for the buyer, but someone is paying to ship it, and if it's not the buyer, it's the seller. The new Elite boxes are smaller, so they weigh less, but it's still tough to find boxes that are big enough and light enough to keep the weight under the maximum for First Class Mail, so it's usually gotta get shipped Priority Mail. If you're lucky, the buyer is in a region near you, which keeps shipping to about $6. But if you have to ship across the country, it's closer to $8. For the sake of fairness, let us just assume a shipping price of $7. This obviously doesn't apply to the dirtbags who print their own labels and then lie about the weight to make the shipping cheaper. If any of you do this, know that it's: against the law, and a real jerkass move because if they catch it, it's the BUYER who will be forced to pay the difference to get the package. Anyway, let's get out the calculators! You've got your nice and pretty $40 sale. You found your 1999 Macho Man and now you've cashed in! Riches! Not so fast. First, you obviously have to remove 20 bucks to cover the figure plus tax. Depends on state, but let's just say $21. So right off the bat, you are down to $19. Then you have fees. Total fees for a $40 sale would be about $6, so now you are down to $13. Then the shipping. You can charge what you want for shipping, but like I said, lots of people offer free shipping now and sometimes it seems like that it's necessary just to keep up with others offering it. We take away the $7 for shipping and we are down to $6. There. That's our profit. Not even enough to buy a Basic. Now maybe you found the whole set of four figures and you moved them for $40 each with free shipping. That gives you just enough profit to buy one Elite figure at retail. Hardly a fortune. Not bad if you are only looking to help fund your figure buying hobby, but that's a small return on what at a glance looks like $160 in sales. So I agree, it's not impossible to make an actual profit on new figures, but most of the time, those are the sort of returns you will get. There are exceptions sure. The TNF 3 pack was getting $100, but even those were down to the $70s and $80s range within a week. Things have changed a lot. Amazon has made "scalping" a mostly pointless hobby. No big loss, of course, but outside of the occasional scorching item like the AJ Styles figures at Christmas time, there's not a lot of money in selling most of the new figures on the secondary market unless you do crazy volume.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 6:20:01 GMT -5
Tell that to the people that were selling the tnf 3 packs and singles at double the price. There is money in wwe figures, especially if they are hard to find at the moment. I see this mindset a lot and it's obvious a lot of the people selling these items think it too but when you do the math, it just doesn't work out to that great of a score for the sellers. This isn't necessarily directed at you, just the idea that selling price is indicative of the money you actually get the keep. "Double the price" doesn't usually mean anything unless it's a high dollar item. Too many people seem to ignore that selling price and profit are two very different things. Double the price of an Elite is $40. OK, sounds cool. Looks really nice and attractive when you see that on eBay. But think about it: Fees on the bay are huge. I haven't looked in a while, but I think it was something like 10 percent of the selling price, maybe more if you do not have a "store" on there. PayPal is 4 percent of the total price. What's worse, it seems like more people are offering so called free shipping. Great for the buyer, but someone is paying to ship it, and if it's not the buyer, it's the seller. The new Elite boxes are smaller, so they weigh less, but it's still tough to find boxes that are big enough and light enough to keep the weight under the maximum for First Class Mail, so it's usually gotta get shipped Priority Mail. If you're lucky, the buyer is in a region near you, which keeps shipping to about $6. But if you have to ship across the country, it's closer to $8. For the sake of fairness, let us just assume a shipping price of $7. This obviously doesn't apply to the dirtbags who print their own labels and then lie about the weight to make the shipping cheaper. If any of you do this, know that it's: against the law, and a real jerkass move because if they catch it, it's the BUYER who will be forced to pay the difference to get the package. Anyway, let's get out the calculators! You've got your nice and pretty $40 sale. You found your 1999 Macho Man and now you've cashed in! Riches! Not so fast. First, you obviously have to remove 20 bucks to cover the figure plus tax. Depends on state, but let's just say $21. So right off the bat, you are down to $19. Then you have fees. Total fees for a $40 sale would be about $6, so now you are down to $13. Then the shipping. You can charge what you want for shipping, but like I said, lots of people offer free shipping now and sometimes it seems like that it's necessary just to keep up with others offering it. We take away the $7 for shipping and we are down to $6. There. That's our profit. Not even enough to buy a Basic. Now maybe you found the whole set of four figures and you moved them for $40 each with free shipping. That gives you just enough profit to buy one Elite figure at retail. Hardly a fortune. Not bad if you are only looking to help fund your figure buying hobby, but that's a small return on what at a glance looks like $160 in sales. So I agree, it's not impossible to make an actual profit on new figures, but most of the time, those are the sort of returns you will get. There are exceptions sure. The TNF 3 pack was getting $100, but even those were down to the $70s and $80s range within a week. Things have changed a lot. Amazon has made "scalping" a mostly pointless hobby. No big loss, of course, but outside of the occasional scorching item like the AJ Styles figures at Christmas time, there's not a lot of money in selling most of the new figures on the secondary market unless you do crazy volume. I see this all the time on here, along with other things... that i just dont get. Posters always saying you make barely any money off ebay. Say you buy a 4 sets of the tnf figures and sell all for $100 each + shipping..even with the ebay end of the month bill, that $160 in profits. Im not calling scalper on people that buy one and throw it on ebay, because I've done that too. But more so, the people that will buy a case a mark each up double or more. They're not selling only 1 item, they have whole ebay stores filled with things over priced. Its not a crazy thing to think happens. My brother makes good money off of buying toys he doesnt like, just to flip on ebay or toy collecting boards. Its guys that dont collect and just buy to sell, thats a scalper. Also...dont include free shipping if you people want to make money on ebay. That's what ends up screwing you
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Post by deskjet on Jan 18, 2017 9:33:28 GMT -5
I wish people would calm down about these sets. Every "rare" figure released that someone spent 4x the amount for to get, I've been able to find weeks later. Remember the horseman and Heenan sets everyone killed themselves for? If I have to waste my gas running to Walmart every other day just to come back empty handed, maybe I don't need the figures that bad
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Post by brick on Jan 18, 2017 11:25:24 GMT -5
I see this mindset a lot and it's obvious a lot of the people selling these items think it too but when you do the math, it just doesn't work out to that great of a score for the sellers. This isn't necessarily directed at you, just the idea that selling price is indicative of the money you actually get the keep. "Double the price" doesn't usually mean anything unless it's a high dollar item. Too many people seem to ignore that selling price and profit are two very different things. Double the price of an Elite is $40. OK, sounds cool. Looks really nice and attractive when you see that on eBay. But think about it: Fees on the bay are huge. I haven't looked in a while, but I think it was something like 10 percent of the selling price, maybe more if you do not have a "store" on there. PayPal is 4 percent of the total price. What's worse, it seems like more people are offering so called free shipping. Great for the buyer, but someone is paying to ship it, and if it's not the buyer, it's the seller. The new Elite boxes are smaller, so they weigh less, but it's still tough to find boxes that are big enough and light enough to keep the weight under the maximum for First Class Mail, so it's usually gotta get shipped Priority Mail. If you're lucky, the buyer is in a region near you, which keeps shipping to about $6. But if you have to ship across the country, it's closer to $8. For the sake of fairness, let us just assume a shipping price of $7. This obviously doesn't apply to the dirtbags who print their own labels and then lie about the weight to make the shipping cheaper. If any of you do this, know that it's: against the law, and a real jerkass move because if they catch it, it's the BUYER who will be forced to pay the difference to get the package. Anyway, let's get out the calculators! You've got your nice and pretty $40 sale. You found your 1999 Macho Man and now you've cashed in! Riches! Not so fast. First, you obviously have to remove 20 bucks to cover the figure plus tax. Depends on state, but let's just say $21. So right off the bat, you are down to $19. Then you have fees. Total fees for a $40 sale would be about $6, so now you are down to $13. Then the shipping. You can charge what you want for shipping, but like I said, lots of people offer free shipping now and sometimes it seems like that it's necessary just to keep up with others offering it. We take away the $7 for shipping and we are down to $6. There. That's our profit. Not even enough to buy a Basic. Now maybe you found the whole set of four figures and you moved them for $40 each with free shipping. That gives you just enough profit to buy one Elite figure at retail. Hardly a fortune. Not bad if you are only looking to help fund your figure buying hobby, but that's a small return on what at a glance looks like $160 in sales. So I agree, it's not impossible to make an actual profit on new figures, but most of the time, those are the sort of returns you will get. There are exceptions sure. The TNF 3 pack was getting $100, but even those were down to the $70s and $80s range within a week. Things have changed a lot. Amazon has made "scalping" a mostly pointless hobby. No big loss, of course, but outside of the occasional scorching item like the AJ Styles figures at Christmas time, there's not a lot of money in selling most of the new figures on the secondary market unless you do crazy volume. I see this all the time on here, along with other things... that i just dont get. Posters always saying you make barely any money off ebay. Say you buy a 4 sets of the tnf figures and sell all for $100 each + shipping..even with the ebay end of the month bill, that $160 in profits. Im not calling scalper on people that buy one and throw it on ebay, because I've done that too. But more so, the people that will buy a case a mark each up double or more. They're not selling only 1 item, they have whole ebay stores filled with things over priced. Its not a crazy thing to think happens. My brother makes good money off of buying toys he doesnt like, just to flip on ebay or toy collecting boards. Its guys that dont collect and just buy to sell, thats a scalper. Also...dont include free shipping if you people want to make money on ebay. That's what ends up screwing you I said in my post that you will have your exceptions like the TNF 3-packs, but that's not the standard. What's more typical is the scenario I laid out in my original post. It's easy enough to say don't offer free shipping, but when nearly everyone else does, your option to not do so and still sell the item becomes more limited. People simply aren't going to spend $40 plus shipping when there are a bunch of other listings of the same item for $40 with free shipping. I just looked at the completed listings for the Macho Man TNF figure for the past few days. Almost all of them offered free shipping at $40 total or less. The ones that didn't offer free shipping had a lower item cost, so that grand total was still around $40. Lets not forget that the bay is kind enough to also charge sellers who charge shipping a separate fee just for that. Just because someone has a store full of the stuff doesn't mean they are actually making money. In the last couple of weeks, it's been funny to see a ton of Magnum TAs, Tugboats, Regals, and the other figures that were dirt cheap on Amazon show up in seller shops on the bay. No one looks to be buying. Market is too flooded. Same thing is happening with almost every new figure sighting from the WWE line.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 11:34:33 GMT -5
I see this all the time on here, along with other things... that i just dont get. Posters always saying you make barely any money off ebay. Say you buy a 4 sets of the tnf figures and sell all for $100 each + shipping..even with the ebay end of the month bill, that $160 in profits. Im not calling scalper on people that buy one and throw it on ebay, because I've done that too. But more so, the people that will buy a case a mark each up double or more. They're not selling only 1 item, they have whole ebay stores filled with things over priced. Its not a crazy thing to think happens. My brother makes good money off of buying toys he doesnt like, just to flip on ebay or toy collecting boards. Its guys that dont collect and just buy to sell, thats a scalper. Also...dont include free shipping if you people want to make money on ebay. That's what ends up screwing you I said in my post that you will have your exceptions like the TNF 3-packs, but that's not the standard. What's more typical is the scenario I laid out in my original post. It's easy enough to say don't offer free shipping, but when nearly everyone else does, your option to not do so and still sell the item becomes more limited. People simply aren't going to spend $40 plus shipping when there are a bunch of other listings of the same item for $40 with free shipping. I just looked at the completed listings for the Macho Man TNF figure for the past few days. Almost all of them offered free shipping at $40 total or less. The ones that didn't offer free shipping had a lower item cost, so that grand total was still around $40. Lets not forget that the bay is kind enough to also charge sellers who charge shipping a separate fee just for that. Just because someone has a store full of the stuff doesn't mean they are actually making money. In the last couple of weeks, it's been funny to see a ton of Magnum TAs, Tugboats, Regals, and the other figures that were dirt cheap on Amazon show up in seller shops on the bay. No one looks to be buying. Market is too flooded. Same thing is happening with almost every new figure sighting from the WWE line. Just because something doesn't sell, doesn't mean people aren't buying them up to try to sell. I sell things perfectly fine and charge shipping. There's scalpers out there in every toy line. You can't deny it. I don't get why so many posters act offended over the word.
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Post by StylesClash on Jan 18, 2017 11:39:18 GMT -5
I can't stand the people that wait all day by the computer and purchase things other collectors actually want for their own collection on other sites just to resell them to make a slight profit on the Bay. I think that working a job like most people would be easier.
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Post by jfinnomore on Jan 18, 2017 11:46:13 GMT -5
I agree with the people who don't like the term scalper. Mattel WWE figures don't sell for a premium on the secondary market. No one is buying them to "scalp" them because they wouldn't make any profit in doing so. You people may convince yourselves that its scalpers when you can't find stuff, but it's simply not the case and doesn't make sense. This isn't the days of Jakks Classic Superstars. yep, no one is scalping at all...
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Post by StylesClash on Jan 18, 2017 11:50:27 GMT -5
I live in a town where I know of minimum 3 Scalpers. They get to the stores before open, buy up everything that they think they can make a profit on. I know because I talk to the security guard at the stores and he tells me he sees the same people every single day. I've seen them myself, even know their Bay pages, it really isn't hard to do research. These same guys are at the local toy shows reselling these basics to idiots for 15-20, the same ones they woulda been able to find in a store for retail if these scalpers didn't buy a lot of them.
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Post by brick on Jan 18, 2017 11:57:28 GMT -5
I agree with the people who don't like the term scalper. Mattel WWE figures don't sell for a premium on the secondary market. No one is buying them to "scalp" them because they wouldn't make any profit in doing so. You people may convince yourselves that its scalpers when you can't find stuff, but it's simply not the case and doesn't make sense. This isn't the days of Jakks Classic Superstars. yep, no one is scalping at all... I just have trouble getting upset about a listing like that when I can see clearly that the seller is barely going to make an actual profit after ebay, paypal and the united states postal service takes their cut of that. Unless you are stealing these figures, there's almost no money in selling a $20 item for $38 when you are going to pay the shipping and selling fees. Seriously. People like the seller quoted here either are finding a way to get their figures way below retail or they think the only fees they have are what they see when they first list the item. It's been forever since I sold something on ebay, but it used to be that they would show you how much it cost to post the item. They didn't tell you what you will be charged if the item sells. If it's still like that, I can see some people not even considering those later fees and then being surprised when they get the invoice from ebay at the end of the month.
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Post by brick on Jan 18, 2017 12:06:18 GMT -5
When I used to live in the Detroit area, there was definitely a guy who would buy up the stuff he thought he could flip. I found his selling page and his sales history seems to back up what I'm saying: You can buy all the figures you want to flip but it doesn't mean anything if you aren't competing with the prices of others. This moron bought SIX of the TNF Bash packs and he didn't sell any of them at $85 because the market was already flooded with people who were OK with selling for even less.
This stuff might be worth it if you can do volume, but the thing I see getting in the way of that is 1) unless you live in an area with a TON of stores, you won't be able to find enough of these figures to do that volume 2) if you can, you still have to hope enough people buy it. As the above seller learned, he found six Bash packs, but it didn't mean crap because he couldn't even sell one of them.
Sure, he's a scalper, but he's a scalper who isn't making in a month what someone working part time at a gas station makes in a week. In other words, small potatoes and nothing worth getting too worked up about.
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Post by tylergfromthe513 on Jan 18, 2017 12:49:21 GMT -5
Scalpers gonna scalp
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 13:23:14 GMT -5
I can't stand the people that wait all day by the computer and purchase things other collectors actually want for their own collection on other sites just to resell them to make a slight profit on the Bay. I think that working a job like most people would be easier. This. I know hot wheels collectors will buy all of a certain car, just so its scarce and hard to find. That way, people have to go to them to buy it at a premium.
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Post by Old School Collector on Jan 18, 2017 13:30:52 GMT -5
I can't stand the people that wait all day by the computer and purchase things other collectors actually want for their own collection on other sites just to resell them to make a slight profit on the Bay. I think that working a job like most people would be easier. This. I know hot wheels collectors will buy all of a certain car, just so its scarce and hard to find. That way, people have to go to them to buy it at a premium. ... and this is exactly what the employees say about this guy, so yea ... Scalper Said that he'll sit and wait for them to bring the stuff to the floor and sift through it before they even hit the shelves, it's pathetic. Joe saved me a lot of hassle !
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Post by dakis on Jan 18, 2017 13:40:11 GMT -5
PJ I know that lady. And I know her car. They are the reason I dont post on the NJ finding forum as much as I used to. It was BAF Daniel Bryan figure that got to me. Some guy went it to TRU literally a moment before me. Went straight to the back and had them take out 2 cases meanwhile I was checking the aisle. He had 4 of the Daniel Bryan figures. I was so pissed. Also their store is a piece of poo. Strictly speculating but I think when NY and NJ find random old crap figures at retail it's them returning them cause they can't sell em.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 18, 2017 14:20:28 GMT -5
You've not lived until you've raced a scalper back to the toy aisle:)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 14:28:14 GMT -5
And honestly, you can just spot these guys. They all kind of have the same look. Its ed
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